Did Jesus have brothers and sisters?

[Miriam1947]

So Joseph was 90 when he married Mary?

What a healthy guy. After all he had to trek to Egypt to protect Jesus after trekking to Bethlehem to look for shelter for the census and birth of Jesus.

And then he had to go search for Jesus when he was 12 and in the temple. So Joseph was what? . . . 102, 103 years old? And he’s walking for days for holy days?

I don’t know. Sounds just a bit not kosher to me.

 

[Robertanthony]

So Joseph was 90 when he married Mary?

What a healthy guy. After all he had to trek to Egypt to protect Jesus after trekking to Bethlehem to look for shelter for the census and birth of Jesus.

And then he had to go search for Jesus when he was 12 and in the temple. So Joseph was what? . . . 102, 103 years old? And he’s walking for days for holy days?

I don’t know. Sounds just a bit not kosher to me.

Exactly what I thought. But then again Adam reportedly lived to be around 900 years old. Relying on organic food and pesticide-free raw meat can add quite a few years to a man’s life… Or was it 900 months? Perhaps the Semitic word for “year” also meant “month”? Suddenly, I begin to understand why some would think everything about religion is little more than fairy tales. I’d have 2nd thoughts about hiring a 102 year-old carpenter…

 

[LittleSoldier]

Look… It doesn’t say, “Don’t you know that you yourselves are the Ark of the Covenant…”, but it says “Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple…”

Jesus Body and blood are the New Covenant :

“This is my blood of the covenant, which is
poured out for many for the forgiveness of
sins.” - Matthew 26:28

And his crucifixion is the sign of the Covenant. But the covenant is supposed to be housed in the Ark… However, Jesus was housed in Mary. Mary’s womb is the Ark of the Covenant.

See remember we are all God’s temple because the Holy Spirit of God dwells within us. However the Covenant does not dwell within all us, but in one ark, Mary’s womb. Mary is the new living Ark which housed the new living covenant.

We can participate in the new covenant, embrace in it, believe it, live it, accept the gifts of the new covenant ( Salvation and the presence of the Holy Spirit ), But the covenant has one dwelling place, the Ark, which is the womb of Mary

That is a wonderful explanation. Mary, alone, is the new Ark of the Covenant. She is also, alone, the Theotokos.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Martin,

On this holy day of Jesus dying, I hope your heart and those of all Christians, is pierced with hers.

gf

Grandfather, my heart has been pierced. I pray that the same happens to every person in the world.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Dear Friend,

I was taught in those times, “Cousin” was not known in the language that Christ spoke so “brother” or Son of my Father took the place of it. St. Jerome also popularized the cousin theory.

This is also my understanding.

In the Gospel of James, Mary had been pledged to the temple by her parents. When she came of age she had to have a Guardian so Joseph was appointed that Guardian who wasn’t interested in living a normal husband and wife life. And with that being said, Joseph did not have relations with Mary.

I have heard of this, too. Evidently that was a common practice. Girls would be pledged to the temple. They would marry widowers with children and help raise the children. It was not so much an arranged marriage, in the traditional sense of the word, but a different type of relationship with its own rules (for lack of a better term). Can you post the specific passage in James? What I’ve posted is simply what someone who knows the Bible well has told me. I have nothing to back me up so I guess what I’ve written is baseless (which doesn’t mean that it isn’t true ).

Understand after an Angel appeared to Joseph that Mary was going to have the “Son of God”, her womb had to be sacred and purified and not be defiled for lack of a better word.

To clarify, I would say that her virginity was fitting but not necessary. Jesus could have come to earth in any way God chose, as long as it didn’t go against His very nature. He could have been born of a non-virgin sinner or come to earth as an adult king with thousands of angels around Him, glorifying Him. (I mean absolutely NO disrespect to Jesus by saying He could have been born of a non-virgin sinner. God is omnipotent. He has the power to make the womb of a sinner pure and holy or to remain pure and holy Himself while in a “defiled” womb - I do wish there were a better word than “defiled”!) Jesus so loved (and loves) Mary that she was conceived without Original Sin. Her everlasting, eternal purity is certainly fitting - not just because she carried Jesus within her but because, I don’t know how to describe what I mean. It was honor to her. One reason I love her so much is that she was surely tempted but still never sinned. It’s all about God but it’s about Mary herself, too, Mary as a woman and a human being who had free will and chose to accept a mission knowing she could be killed for committing “adultery.” She was not only pure but wise and mature beyond her years.

A careful look at the New Testament shows that Mary kept her vow of virginity and never had any children other than Jesus.

I agree but I have to admit I don’t base my belief on my own reading of the NT but on what others who understand the ancient languages have concluded.

The questions I ask also; if Mary had other children, wouldn’t they have been at the cross and Jesus made provisions for Mary instead of asking John to take care of his Mom who was no relation? Wouldn’t they have been followers of Christ? I know not necessarily but I would like to think so.

Well, John was there but it’s obvious from Scripture that he was not Jesus’ brother. If he had been, Jesus wouldn’t have needed to tell him to take care of Mary. John would have done this without being told. I agree with you.

So, my answer to this is no, Jesus did not have blood brothers or sisters. And my firm belief is that they would have been mentioned.

Learned this from Senior Apologist Jimmy Akin and some from Cathecism.

Love ya’ll,
Sheila

And I agree!

 

[1voice]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1voice
“Christ in you”
Col 1:27

“God lives in us”
1 John 4:12

2 Corinthians 1:22 "Who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts

God’s presence was in the Ark. When Solomon finished building the temple God’s presence dwelt in the Holy of Holies in the temple.

When Jesus died for the salvation of man God rent the curtain on the temple and on Pentecost God’s presence entered into his people.

It was God’s plan to reestablish the intimate relationship that had been severed by Adam.

Each Christian, who is willing to receive the HS as the Disciples did on Pentecost, carries the same presence that once dwelt in the Ark.

As Jesus told the Apostles at Passover:
“The Holy Spirit is with you and he will be in you.”

“Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you”
1 Corinthians 3:16

None of those verses refer to the Ark as you believe. It says God’s temple,not the Ark as you believe. You are misinterpretating those verses.

The Ark … and the Temple … and Christians … all have the same purpose… A dwelling place for the Most High God with his people.

You are focused on a container. God’s focus in The Bible is on the covenant that would create a people that have the right to enter into the most holy place. Hebrews 10:19

The Ark of the covenant … was the precursor of the the new covenant…

A person that accepts the Holy Spirit into their heart … Is a living new covenant.
“Ye are the temple of the Holy Spirit.”

Until Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice. God would only commune with man from the outside… that was the purpose of the Ark as well as the purpose of the Temple at Jerusalem.
After the sacrifice on the Cross … Pentecost!

 

[mark_a]

The Ark … and the Temple … and Christians … all have the same purpose…

Can you show us this explicitly in the scriptures?

 

[1voice]

Originally Posted by 1voice
The Ark … and the Temple … and Christians … all have the same purpose…

Can you show us this explicitly in the scriptures?

The sacrifices to God before the Ark … and at the Temple in Jerusalem are no longer required by God because Jesus sacrifice fulfilled the law. And God no longer dwells in the Temple. God ended the sacrifice and said that the Temple would be destroyed.
He now dwells in the heart of Christian believers.

“What agreement has the temple of God with idols? for you are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I WILL DWELL IN THEM, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.” (2 Cor. 6:17-18)

Israel was a separated people… under covenant with God through the promise to Abraham… and the Law given to Moses.
Paul explains that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (the New Covenant) has freed us from the law of sin and death (which is the old covenant)
Romans 8:2

Paul further explains …
So that now …
“the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, .”
( Romans 8:11 )
Here (in Romans 8:11) Paul is expositing the promise made to Joel (Joel 2:28-32) … that he himself had received, as Peter described at Pentecost (Acts 2:14–21) … and, through Christ in him … was, himself, following Jesus command to “make disciples”

Under the Old Covenant God (the Spirit that raised Christ from the dead) dwelt with his people. His dwelling place was the Ark, built under Moses and then the Temple in Jerusalem … Built by Solomon and rebuilt by Nehemiah.

During the time of the Old Covenant …( while dwelling in the Temple) God said…

“And it shall come to pass afterward that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions. And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days. And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: blood and fire and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD. And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the remnant whom the LORD calls.”
Joel 2:28-32

Fulfilled here:
But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and
declared to them: “Men of Judea, and all you who live in
Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give heed to my words.
For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the
third hour of the day; but this is what was spoken of through the
prophet Joel.”
—Acts 2:14–21

 

[1voice]

Originally Posted by 1voice
The Ark … and the Temple … and Christians … all have the same purpose…

Can you show us this explicitly in the scriptures?

The purpose of the Ark was to bring God’s presence.
… Moses told God that he would not move unless God himself went with him and the people.
God … in response commanded that the Ark be built as his dwelling place… to go with the people.

David designed and Solomon built a Temple for God to dwell in… and contain God’s presence. That Temple, as Jesus foretold, no longer exists.

Your purpose … is **to bring Gods presence. **

“You are the light of the world"

Matthew 5:13-16

 

[mark_a]

Originally Posted by 1voice
The Ark … and the Temple … and Christians … all have the same purpose…

The sacrifices to God before the Ark … and at the Temple in Jerusalem are no longer required by God because Jesus sacrifice fulfilled the law. And God no longer dwells in the Temple. God ended the sacrifice and said that the Temple would be destroyed.
He now dwells in the heart of Christian believers.

“What agreement has the temple of God with idols? for you are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I WILL DWELL IN THEM, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be separate, says the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and you shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty.” (2 Cor. 6:17-18)

Israel was a separated people… under covenant with God through the promise to Abraham… and the Law given to Moses.
Paul explains that the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus (the New Covenant) has freed us from the law of sin and death (which is the old covenant)
Romans 8:2

Paul further explains …
So that now …
“the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, .”
( Romans 8:11 )
Here (in Romans 8:11) Paul is expositing the promise made to Joel (Joel 2:28-32) … that he himself had received, as Peter described at Pentecost (Acts 2:14–21) … and, through Christ in him … was, himself, following Jesus command to “make disciples”

Under the Old Covenant God (the Spirit that raised Christ from the dead) dwelt with his people. His dwelling place was the Ark, built under Moses and then the Temple in Jerusalem … Built by Solomon and rebuilt by Nehemiah.

During the time of the Old Covenant …( while dwelling in the Temple) God said…

“And it shall come to pass afterward that I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions. And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days. And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: blood and fire and pillars of smoke. The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD. And it shall come to pass that whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the remnant whom the LORD calls.”
Joel 2:28-32

Fulfilled here:
But Peter, taking his stand with the eleven, raised his voice and
declared to them: “Men of Judea, and all you who live in
Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give heed to my words.
For these men are not drunk, as you suppose, for it is only the
third hour of the day; but this is what was spoken of through the
prophet Joel.”
—Acts 2:14–21

All that is implicit, not explicit, by your teaching authority’s interpretation. That’s the very same thing you accuse Catholics of with our interpretation of old testament typology.

But anyway, happy Easter!!

 

[1voice]

That’s the very same thing you accuse Catholics of

Where?

All that is implicit, not explicit,

How is “You are the temple” not explicit?

How is Peter’s declaration that “This, that is happening before your eyes … is what Joel said” not explicit?

But anyway, happy Easter!!

Happy Easter to you too.

 

[grandfather]

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1voice
“Christ in you”
Col 1:27

It was God’s plan to reestablish the intimate relationship that had been severed by Adam.

I thought it was to save us.

Each Christian, who is willing to receive the HS as the Disciples did on Pentecost, carries the same presence that once dwelt in the Ark.

What does that have to do with the Mother of God?

As Jesus told the Apostles at Passover:
“The Holy Spirit is with you and he will be in you.”

Which verse is that?

You are focused on a container.

But that is what you are focused on when you say everyone is the ark.

God’s focus in The Bible is on the covenant that would create a people that have the right to enter into the most holy place. Hebrews 10:19

And we assume this holy place is heaven, right?

The Ark of the covenant … was the precursor of the the new covenant…

And how did the new covenant established in the blood of Christ come to us? Did he land in a space ship? Was that the ark that bore Him?

A person that accepts the Holy Spirit into their heart … Is a living new covenant.
“Ye are the temple of the Holy Spirit.”

A living new covenant? I don’t think I have heard that one before? Jesus blessed the cup and said this is a cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will be shed for you and many so that sins may be forgiven. But you are saying that persons who accept the Holy Spirit into their hearts are living new covenants. Can you find a place in scripture that says anything about this accepting the Holy Spirit into the heart and being a new covenant? I thought the evangelical story was that you had to accept Jesus into your heart as your personal savior and you could know you are saved forever. Either way, I don’t think that is there in scripture either.

Until Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice. God would only commune with man from the outside… that was the purpose of the Ark as well as the purpose of the Temple at Jerusalem.
!

Are you making that up or is it in scripture somewhere or maybe you heard it somewhere?

 

[1voice]

Quote:
As Jesus told the Apostles at Passover:
“The Holy Spirit is with you and he will be in you.”

Which verse is that?

John 14:15 If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever, 17 even the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him; you know him, for he dwells with you, and will be in you.

 

[johnnyjones]

There is a lot of confusion posted in this thread. There is a Catholic saying things that are opposed to the Catohlic faith and a lot of specualtion being posted as known fact.

As simply put as possible, using scripture alone:

Paul speaks of the Apostle James and calls him, “James, brother of the Lord”

There were two Apostles named James according to scripture.

Paul says "brother of the Lord so that the reader knows which James he is naming.

There are three places in scripture that give a listing of all the apostles. When the two James are named they are further identified by naming their fahther’s. None of the other apostles father’s are named in these lists. It is so that we can know one James from the other.

JOSEPH IS NOT THE FATHER OF EITHER JAMES.

Mary was NOT the mother of either James.

Therefore:
NEITHER JAMES COULD BE THE BROTHER OF JESUS.

Nevertheless Saint Paul says He met James the brother of the Lord? But neither one of them can be His sibling brother, because neither one has Mary or Joseph for a parent.

This is really very simple.

The word brother means, “close kinsman”. James is the cousin of Jesus. To prove it read the accounts of the women at the cross. Some are named and identified with their husbands by name. There are Marys and her sister (close kinswoman) was there.

The wives of the fathers of the Apostles James were there. Now you know who their mothers were as well as their fathers.

When you read in Matthew and Mark about brothers of Jesus, there is James again, with others. We have already seen that James the brother of the Lord can not possibly be the sibling brother of Jesus. Neither are the rest.

There is it in the Bible.

Excellent answer. Very clear and informative.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Originally Posted by 1voice

Until Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice. God would only commune with man from the outside… that was the purpose of the Ark as well as the purpose of the Temple at Jerusalem.
After the sacrifice on the Cross … Pentecost!

God would only commune with man from the outside of what?

 

[1voice]

Quote:
A person that accepts the Holy Spirit into their heart … Is a living new covenant.
“Ye are the temple of the Holy Spirit.”

A living new covenant? I don’t think I have heard that one before? Jesus blessed the cup and said this is a cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant. It will be shed for you and many so that sins may be forgiven. But you are saying that persons who accept the Holy Spirit into their hearts are living new covenants. Can you find a place in scripture that says anything about this accepting the Holy Spirit into the heart and being a new covenant?

“See, a time is coming – declares the Lord – when I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and the House of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers, when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, a covenant which they broke, though I espoused them – declares the Lord. But such is the covenant I will make with the House of Israel after these days – declares the Lord: I will put My Teaching into their inmost being and inscribe it upon their hearts. Then I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No longer will they need to teach one another and say to one another, “Heed the Lord”; for all of them, from the least of them to the greatest, shall heed me – declares the Lord.” (Jeremiah 31:31)

I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.
Gal 2:20

Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Colossians 1:27

 

[maryj]

Mark 6:3 son of Mary and brother of james and Joses
then go to…
Mark15:40-41 also looking on,Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of the younger james and Joses
then go to…
John 19:25 standing at the cross were His mother and His mother’s sister Mary the wife of Clopas

James and Joses, sons of Mary and Clopas…also the “cousins”( brothers) of Jesus.

Blessed Easter one and all!
He dispells the darkness, Praise be to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[1voice]

Quote:
Until Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice. God would only commune with man from the outside… that was the purpose of the Ark as well as the purpose of the Temple at Jerusalem.

Are you making that up or is it in scripture somewhere or maybe you heard it somewhere?

what fellowship can light have with darkness?
2 Corinthians 6:14

“All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”
(Romans 3:23)

“The wages of sin is death”
(Romans 6:23)

How then can we be saved?
All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
Isaiah 64: 6

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20 For in him is found the Yes to all God’s promises and therefore it is ‘through him’ that we answer ‘Amen’ to give praise to God.
21 It is God who gives us, with you, a sure place in Christ
22 and has both anointed us and marked us with his seal, giving us as pledge the Spirit in our hearts.
2 Cor 1: 20 - 22

For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
Romans 5:19

 

[1voice]

Quote:
Each Christian, who is willing to receive the HS as the Disciples did on Pentecost, carries the same presence that once dwelt in the Ark.

What does that have to do with the Mother of God?

The conversation started here #49 …and led to where you picked it up.

 

[PRmerger]

All Christians are the new Ark of the Covenant.

“Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit lives in you”
1 Corinthians 3:16

Indeed. That is very Catholic of you to say, 1voice!

All that we venerate in Mary is all that is possible for her children. As she is the new ark of the covenant, so, too, may we be the new ark of the covenant.

As she was assumed into heaven, so, too, may we her children be assumed.

As she was without sin, so, too, may we her children be without sin.