Did Jesus have Faith?

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Hebrews 11:1 says, “Faith is the realization of what is hoped for and evidence of things not seen.”

Jesus is the Source of our Faith, but did Jesus have Faith?
 
I am looking forward to the answer to this question, as it is one I have asked myself.

Sometimes, when I doubt, I remind myself that Jesus himself had faith - so that’s enough for me.

I don’t have a scriptural justification for that, but I’m hoping that someone here will have more information.
 
I am looking forward to the answer to this question, as it is one I have asked myself.

Sometimes, when I doubt, I remind myself that Jesus himself had faith - so that’s enough for me.

I don’t have a scriptural justification for that, but I’m hoping that someone here will have more information.
This is an extraordinary question, which has extraordinary implications for those of us who are weak in faith…there are some scriptures, but later.
 
In the strict sense theological sense of the word “Faith”…one can say “no” …for he had the science of vision…
I agree

if “…* faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.”*

What is it that Jesus had not seen or known?
 
I believe you are asking if JESUS can ever contradicted HIMSELF. JESUS IS GOD. What doesn’t HE know? What hasn’t HE seen? “If” JESUS needed faith, then HE would have not known or not seen ALL, but HE has.
So, no, JESUS cannot contradict HIMSELF and as HE is the source of all faith, HE does not need faith, for as HE declared " I AM "
 
=NotWorthy;7183095]Hebrews 11:1 says, “Faith is the realization of what is hoped for and evidence of things not seen.”
Jesus is the Source of our Faith, but did Jesus have Faith?
***More accurately: Jesus in His Divine Nature [not in His human nature] is the source of all Faith.

Yes the human nature of Jesus had Faith in both the Father and th Holy Spirit ***

**Matt.7: 11" **If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him! [21] "Not every one who says to me, `Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

**Matt.12: 50 **“For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother, and sister, and mother.”

**Luke.10: 21 "**In that same hour he rejoiced in the Holy Spirit and said, “I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to babes; yea, Father, for such was thy gracious will”

John.14: 26 “But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you”

Jesus in His Divine Nature is Faith, so "having Faith applies ONLY to His human nature in regard your qustion.
 
***More accurately: Jesus in His Divine Nature [not in His human nature] is the source of all Faith.

Yes the human nature of Jesus had Faith in both the Father and th Holy Spirit
Jesus in His Divine Nature is Faith, so "having Faith applies ONLY to His human nature in regard your qustion.***

In the strict sense theological sense of the word “Faith”…one can say “no” …for he had the science of vision
 
In the strict sense theological sense of the word “Faith”…one can say “no” …for he had the* science of vision*…

This book is helpful for fuller info:

scepterpublishers.org/product/index.php?FULL=564
Thanks, but I can find few references to science of vision as a theological term. The book you referenced is not available online. The references I found refer to God’s foreknowledge of everything that would happen in the universe he created. That would apply to Jesus divine nature, but it is clear that Jesus, in his human nature, did not have this knowledge, because we read about him being “surprised” several times in the gospels.
 
Thanks, but I can find few references to science of vision as a theological term. The book you referenced is not available online. The references I found refer to God’s foreknowledge of everything that would happen in the universe he created. That would apply to Jesus divine nature, but it is clear that Jesus, in his human nature, did not have this knowledge, because we read about him being “surprised” several times in the gospels.
I think this term may be misunderstood in a similar way that God “changed His mind” several times in the Old Testament.

Jesus certainly had access to all His Divinity knew, didn’t He? I mean, He was able to read men’s minds, to change water into wine, multiply bread, heal from a long distance, and prophecy the destruction of the Temple.
 
Jesus certainly had access to all His Divinity knew, didn’t He? I mean, He was able to read men’s minds, to change water into wine, multiply bread, heal from a long distance, and prophecy the destruction of the Temple.
Well that’s the question I’ve been looking forward to getting the answer to. My opinion is that He had access to what His humanity needed for His mission, just as we do, and He had confidence that anything He commanded would happen, but that He also lived by Faith. Still, I’m ready to be corrected.
 
Jesus Christ had faith, in fact, He is the leader and perfecter of faith. If we believe in Him, we live by his faith also.

The Faithful Witness:

‘And from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead and ruler of the kings of the earth”. (Rev.1:5.)

“The Amen, the faithful and true witness, the source of God’s creation” (Rev.3:14).

**The Faithful High Priest **
“Therefore, he had to become like his brothers in every way, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest before God to expiate the sins of the people.” (Heb. 2:14)

Faithful to the one who appointed him
“…Jesus, the apostle and high priest of our confession, was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in his house” (Heb. 3:2)

Faithful as a son placed over his house

“But Christ was faithful as a son placed over his house. We are his house, if we hold fast to our confidence and pride in our hope.” (Heb.3:6)

The Leader and Perfecter of Faith

“…Keeping our eyes fixed on Jesus, the leader and perfecter of faith. For the sake of the joy that lay before him he endured the cross, despising its shame, and has taken his seat at the right of the throne of God.” (Heb.12:1).

Jesus trusted in the LORD even in Sheol and the grave

“For David says of him: ‘I saw the LORD ever before me, with him at my right hand I shall not be disturbed.” (Acts 2:25, Ps.16:8) “Because you will not abandon my soul to the nether world, nor will you suffer your holy one to see corruption”. (Acts 2:27, Ps.16:10).

“I will trust in him.” (Heb.2:13, Isaiah 8:17)

“The life I now live, I live by the faith of (in) the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me”
 
The important word is kenosis. He emptied himself of deity to be found in the form of man. Though he was God, he chose not to use omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence, etc.

Had he used on ounce of deity to resist temptation, then his incarnation was a fraud, and he was not tempted in every way as we are, and we do not have a high priest who knows us.

So as a baby he knew nothing more than all other babies are born with. He learned who he was from his parents and from the scriptures. He was fully convinced of his deity by the time he went to Jerusalem to clear the temple, and in his daily walk, he stepped into little ‘dinner theaters’ of the cross to demonstrate that he knew what he was to do and that he was willing to do it, for which the Father rewarded him with the miracles that ensued, which further strengthened his faith to face the cross.

If Jesus had not emptied himself, he would not be qualified as the Redeemer kinsman, since he would have been like superman, living among men but not Of men.
 
Thankyou, Zarthan! That’s a strong answer to this question, and thankyou for taking the trouble to present the points as you have. I’ve printed it off, and will use it as my Bible study tonight.

:tiphat:

ps. You too, rcjones! Another printout on the way! 👍
 
Jesus certainly had access to all His Divinity knew, didn’t He? I mean, He was able to read men’s minds, to change water into wine, multiply bread, heal from a long distance, and prophecy the destruction of the Temple.
How do you change water into wine? You remove the axe from the stream.

Without using divinity, Jesus saw a living shadow of his ministry before him.

The rulers of Israel were preparing for the wedding of the lamb, just as the ruler of the wedding had prepared for the wedding.

Water, the word of God, is made up of wine (grace) and string drink (law). The ruler of the wedding and of Israel lacked wine (grace).

Jesus was the righteous judge, and he could have judged Israel and condemned them. But in his own heart, he had to choose not to judge, but to provide what they lacked because of sin. This was an important step in beginning his ministry.

To show that he understood his role, he commanded that the water be brought in six containers. These represent the Word of God (water) contained in six vessels or testimonies (as 1John says, three in heaven and three on earth). As he actively participates in the dinner theater, the Father rewards him by changing the water into wine, showing that he knew his Son’s heart was right for the ministry.

This further increased Jesus’s faith in what he had learned from his parents and the scriptures.

Each miracle is a response from the Father, to Jesus’s stepping into a little prophetic ‘dinner theater’ of the cross. It is a dialog between them. Jesus could say that he only did what he saw the Father doing. This is how he saw it.

Zacchaeus in the tree was a picture of the cross. His name means pure, but he was chief tax collector and servant of mammon. A picture of Jesus bearing our sin on the cross. He commanded him to come down because he knew he would come off the cross. Then he invited himself to dinner, since after the cross he would go to the banquet.

He intentionally finished the picture that the Father had begun by having Zacchaeus climb the tree.

When the Centurian asked for a servant to be healed, Jesus could in faith proclaim that the servant was healed because he saw the picture of himself in it. He would be separated by the Father at the cross, yet resurrected from that great distance. The Father began the picture with the illness of the servant and the meekness of the Centurian, and Jesus intentionally finished it by proclaiming him healed, and the Father rewarded his faith with the healing to finish the picture. It was a conversation between Father and Son.

Jesus is the bread, and we will be made like him… so taking the first steps to multiply the bread was like the Israelites stepping into the water before it parted. The Father rewarded his faith by multiplying the bread and finishing the picture. The scene was set in motion by the Father having the people follow him and being ill prepared to care for themselves. Jesus just did what he saw the Father doing.

Prophesying the destruction of the temple was nothing. The temple is a shadow of Christ. It had to be destroyed just as Christ had to face the cross. It would not have been a good shadow of Christ had it not been destroyed. It was prophesied throughout the OT.
 
Article 3. Whether in Christ there was faith?
On the contrary, It is written (Hebrews 11:1): “Faith is the evidence of things that appear not.” But there was nothing that did not appear to Christ, according to what Peter said to Him (John 21:17): “Thou knowest all things.” Therefore there was no faith in Christ.
I answer that, As was said above (II-II, 1, 4), the object of faith is a Divine thing not seen. Now the habit of virtue, as every other habit, takes its species from the object. Hence, if we deny that the Divine thing was not seen, we exclude the very essence of faith. Now from the first moment of His conception Christ saw God’s Essence fully, as will be made clear (34, 1). Hence there could be no faith in Him.
Theologians commonly teach that from the very beginning of His existence, He received the fullness of sanctifying grace and other supernatural gifts (except faith, hope, and the moral virtue of penance); nor did He ever increase in these gifts or this sanctifying grace. For so to increase would be to become more pleasing to the Divine Majesty; and this were impossible in Christ.
 
Thankyou, Zarthan! That’s a strong answer to this question, and thankyou for taking the trouble to present the points as you have. I’ve printed it off, and will use it as my Bible study tonight.

:tiphat:

ps. You too, rcjones! Another printout on the way! 👍
Your welcome, but thanks needs to go the Holy Spirit of God because without Jesus I can do nothing. Personally, it means a whole lot to me to know that Jesus who abides in me is the ‘leader and perfecter of faith’, or as another translation says, ‘the author and finisher of faith’. My belief in Jesus Christ enables me to have faith in God our Father as Jesus Christ had faith. It is almost as if I have waited a whole lifetime for such faith. I don’t think I have yet grasped the significance of this faith, which is in the leader and perfecter of faith.“Without faith it is impossible to please God” I just want to say over and over again, THANKS BE TO GOD OUR FATHER and TO OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!
 
Jesus Christ had faith, in fact, He is the leader and perfecter of faith. If we believe in Him, we live by his faith also.
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Being a Faithful Witness, a Faithful High Priest, and being Faithful, being trusting, or a faithful leader …is not what is meant in the question “did Jesus have Faith”…in the sense of the infused virtue of faith…it can be said that Jesus had “vision” …

It is has been the general opinion (at least) of theologians over time that he did not then have “Faith”…such as for example St. Thomas (you can read about this in the book I mentioned above as well as for example the work of Rev. Garrigou-Lagrange “Christ the Savior” Chapter IX Question 7).

We need to live by faith…for we are not God and do not have the vision of Jesus…this is one reason why he or leads and perfects “our Faith”… for he sees…and we trust him…and follow him…not seeing

the yes he was all the other things…but such while using a words that contain the word Faith…are meaning something else…

As to the last Quote…it is taken to be we live by our Faith in Jesus …

By the way Pope Benedict XVI makes use of that verse wonderfully in his Encyclical on Hope and other places…such as his audiences on St. Paul.
 
Being a Faithful Witness, a Faithful High Priest, and being Faithful, being trusting, or a faithful leader …is not what is meant in the question “did Jesus have Faith”…in the sense of the infused virtue of faith…it can be said (as do the various Theologians down thru the ages) that Jesus had “vision” …(we need to live by faith…for we are not God and do not have the vision of Jesus…this is one reason why he or leads and perfects “our Faith”… for he sees…and we trust him…and follow him…not seeing )

the yes he was all the other things…but such while using a words that contain the word Faith…are meaning something else…

As to the last Quote…it is taken to be we live by our Faith in Jesus …

By the way Pope Benedict XVI makes use of that verse wonderfully in his Encyclical on Hope and other places…such as his audiences on St. Paul.
My intention is not to argue theology with you, I believe that the scriptures say that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God had (has) faith in His heavenly Father. “I trust in him” is refering to the real trust that the Son of God has in the Father.

As far as Gal.2:16 and Gal.2:20 and the correct translation:

I do think it is possible to translate these verses as: 'we are justified by Jesus Christ’s faith" and “the life I now live in the flesh, I live by the Son of God’s faith, who loved me and has given his life for me.”

The peace of Jesus Christ be with you.
 
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