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O course I replied.
Sir Knight, when I stated this:
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You replied, to my amazement:
my “amazement” was not to the fact that you replied. It was incredulity at the* content* of your reply. (You ought to be able to see that because of the colon I used when I said “You replied, to my amazement**:**”) The colon means: look to what comes next.
And what is the problem with that? What does it prove or disprove? The Pope is quoting something from Church history and tradition and saying that it applies just as one would quote scripture. Who are you to say that it invalidates his infallible ruling on the matter?
LOL! I did not say St. Athanasius’ quote, cited in Pope G’s encyclical, was invalidated. I merely was pointing out that this could not apply to Protestants, 'cause they didn’t exist in the 6th century.

BTW, (like your “episcopal” thing): I just want to inform you that Pope G’s encyclical is not “an infallible ruling on the matter.”

From Karl Keating:, founder and host of this forum in which you participate.
Originally posted by Karl Keating, Catholic Apologist extraordinaire:Papally-approved documents of ecumenical councils have a higher authority than do encyclicals. The three encyclicals…(Mirari Vos) are not infallible documents, never were claimed to be by the popes who composed them, and have not been considered to be infallible by most orthodox theologians**.This is not to deny their real authority **or accuracy, of course, but, as Pius XII wrote in Humani Generis, “such teachings belong to the ordinary magisterium,” not to the extraordinary.
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Greetings, my sister!

In Mirari Vos (I misspelled it above :o), Pope Gregory quotes from Augustine in order to explain his meaning. In Augustine’s disputes with the Donatists, the basic point of contention relevant to this discussion was whether baptisms performed by heretics were valid and whether they should be repeated when coming back to the Catholic Church. The answer was that the baptism was valid and not to be repeated. But the baptism would not save the person in schism: not because the baptism was not valid, but because the person was in schism. Augustine’s point was that, in bringing schismatics and heretics back into the church, let us correct them where they are in the wrong and affirm them where they are in the right.

Pope Gregory is trying to make the same basic point. Let not a person who is in schism point back to his baptism and think that he’s OK with God because of that. He needs to live a life conforming to the grace received in that baptism, which grace draws us towards unity with Christ and with each other. These people were washed in the waters of regeneration, but that washing was “effaced” by the sin of schism.

Your brother in Christ,
Pete
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So, to summarize. *Mirari Vos * was directed to the church heirahy concerning evils in the church and affecting Catholics. Among these was the evil of indifferentism which Pope Gregory said was essentially the idea that one religion was as good as another just so long one led a moral life. Pope Gegory said it was important to Catholics to maintain the Catholic faith and quoted the creed composed by St Antanasius to indicate what that "Catholic Faith was. According to Athanasius the Catholic Faith is comprised of what we would call belief in the Trinity which most protestants adhere to. Therefore, for the reasons expressed above, you cannot use Pope Gregory XVI encyclical *Mirari Vos *to support your position.
Greetings again!

The Catholic faith becomes more explicit as the Church continues to discern and explain the deposit of faith once delivered. It includes everything that is taught by the Church as being divinely revealed by God.

“In connection with things which must be believed, it is nowise licit to use that distinction which some have seen fit to introduce between those articles of faith which are fundamental and those which are not fundamental, as they say, as if the former are to be accepted by all, while the latter may be left to the free assent of the faithful: for the supernatural virtue of faith has a formal cause, namely the authority of God revealing, and this is patient of no such distinction. For this reason it is that all who are truly Christ’s believe, for example, the Conception of the Mother of God without stain of original sin with the same faith as they believe the mystery of the August Trinity, and the Incarnation of our Lord just as they do the infallible teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff, according to the sense in which it was defined by the Ecumenical Council of the Vatican. Are these truths not equally certain, or not equally to be believed, because the Church has solemnly sanctioned and defined them, some in one age and some in another, even in those times immediately before our own? Has not God revealed them all? For the teaching authority of the Church, which in the divine wisdom was constituted on earth in order that revealed doctrines might remain intact for ever, and that they might be brought with ease and security to the knowledge of men, and which is daily exercised through the Roman Pontiff and the Bishops who are in communion with him, has also the office of defining, when it sees fit, any truth with solemn rites and decrees, whenever this is necessary either to oppose the errors or the attacks of heretics, or more clearly and in greater detail to stamp the minds of the faithful with the articles of sacred doctrine which have been explained. But in the use of this extraordinary teaching authority no newly invented matter is brought in, nor is anything new added to the number of those truths which are at least implicitly contained in the deposit of Revelation, divinely handed down to the Church: only those which are made clear which perhaps may still seem obscure to some, or that which some have previously called into question is declared to be of faith” (Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos).

This understanding of the “Catholic faith” is surely what Pope Gregory intended to convey in quoting from that portion of the Athanasian creed. I think he would burst at the seams if he knew we were trying to interpret him as propounding a minimalist creed in his very section against religious indifferentism! 🙂

Your brother in Christ,
Pete
 
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Do you really believe that the merciful Lord caused all humanity plus the animal world to drown (except Noah and family), that God told Joshua to massacre all those in Joshua (except a prostitute and her family), or that the Lord ordered Saul to kill every last Amalekite? I can't even begin to believe that this God, who commanded us to love him and one another, would insist upon such atrocities. Sounds more like Hitler than our heavenly Father. No, I can't believe all the Bible, and how can any Christian who takes the Ten Commandmends and the Sermon on the Mount seriously?
Then you do not know the God of the Bible. Love is not opposed to justice, or consequences. We are God’s creatures, and at His pleasure we live or die. Those who depart from His plan for their lives bear the consequences for their choice, which is death.

It is not loving or merciful to tolerate sin. when you refer to the elimination of sin as “atrocity” you are thinking from a human point of view. From God’s point of view, it is an atrocity to deny Him.

Christians who take the 10 commandments and the Sermon on the Mount seriously know the God who spoke them, and they know that He is entirly Holy, and that nothing unclean will enter His presence.

This is precisely why the modernism that has contaminated your world view is so concerning. God will love you right as you pass through the gates of hell. He loves you enough to let you go.
 
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I have never said that other faiths can not make it to heaven.  That's absurd.  I believe there's quite a few non-Catholics in heaven praying for you right now in fact!  :gopray:
I don’t think this is true, PR. Since there is no other name under heaven by which we may be saved, before they enter heaven, they come to know Christ for who He is.And, since Christ is inseparably joined to His One Body, the Church, then they also are in unity with the Church.

They may not have been visible as Catholics in this life, and they may not have themselves known that their faith is Catholic, but by the time they get to heaven, they are all Catholic! 👍

But I do agree with your point, there are quite a few persons in heaven praying for Catholic bigots, as well as all those who need our prayers, that were not identifyable in this life as Catholic. 😃
Again, if they are in heaven, it’s because they know Christ. If they know Christ, it’s because of the Catholic Church. Outside the Church there is no salvation.
And I would add, they now realize they are Catholic. 😃
 
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You are saying that there is no salvation outside of the Church …

… and at the same time you are saying that those who are not a part of the Church may still be saved …

… which is it? If they are Protestants, then they do not hold the Catholic faith and are not saved …
Both things are true, or it would be more accurate to say that those who are not part of the “visible” Catholic Church may still be saved. Those who are saved will be Catholic in faith, whether it is visible to us, or not.

Most Protestants have not been exposed to the Catholic faith. They have been exposed ot lies and misunderstandings, which is what they are actually rejecting.
[sign]“without a doubt, they will perish forever, UNLESS THEY HOLD the Catholic faith whole AND inviolate” – Encyclical of Pope Gregory XVI[/sign]
This statement is directed toward heretics, those who embraced the faith, then depart. Such a state does not apply to most Protestants,who THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN have never learned the faith.
… kindly read that again — unless one HOLDS the Catholic faith, one will perish. That is an official Church Teaching. If someone does not know what the Catholic faith is or has a misunderstanding of what it is, then they do not “hold” the faith. Period.
“Hold” is a reference to what one has, then lets go of. It is a description of apostasy. One cannot “hold” that which one has never grasped. Protesatants (for the most part) cannot be considered apostate because they never had “hold” of the fullness of the faith in the first place. They stand in the tradition of Apollos.
If I am misrepresenting the faith, then be so kind as to explain to us the meaning of the following statements from the Encyclical of Pope Gregory XVI (August 15, 1832):

  1. *]This perverse opinion is spread on all sides by the fraud of the wicked who claim that it is possible to obtain the eternal salvation of the soul by the profession of any kind of religion, as long as morality is maintained.

  1. It is not “religion” that gets us into heaven, but the blood of Christ. Our separated brethren do not expect to enter heaven by their own morality or “religion” but by His sacrifice, made for us on the Cross. In fact, they think that Catholics believe that we can “work” our way to heaven by moral purity. It is an error, but a common one.
    *]A schismatic flatters himself falsely if he asserts that he, too, has been washed in the waters of regeneration. The branch has the same form when it has been cut off from the vine; but of what profit for it is the form, if it does not live from the root?
    A schismatic is one who was once joined to the faith, then separated himself. This term cannot be applied to most Protestants either, since they never embraced or “held” the fullness of the faith.
    *]“without a doubt, they will perish forever, unless they hold the Catholic faith whole AND inviolate.”
    I am sure that, if and when they get to heaven, they will realize that their faith is Catholic. 👍

    Only God can judge the hears of men, and only He knows whose faith in Him “holds” all that has been revealed to the person. We are not qualified to judge that, so we embrace our separated brethren as baptized into the same body. God will sort the wheat from the tares.
 
Immigration - Protestant prejudice - Inkaneer
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Let me address briefly the point Inkaneer raises regarding Protestant prejudice and immigration.

1. Probably 90% or more of the original Europeans to settle in the original colonies were Protestants. Only one of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence was a Catholic. Yet, millions of Catholics were legally allowed to enter the USA between 1840-1940. If Protestants were so prejudiced why did they permit this to happen?

2. Today nine out of every ten Christians to enter the USA legally are Catholics. With Catholics a fourth of the population (and half of those 'cafeteria Catholics') does this suggest that Protestantism has stood in the way of Catholic immigration?

3, The problem with the influx of Hispanic immigrants today is that most of them are entering illegally, against the law. That is an entirely different circumstance. Does Inkaneer favor the breaking of the law or legal immigration?

4. Perhaps the most voficerous opponent of such mass illegal immigration is Pat Buchanan, who has written at least one book against it. Buchanan is an avid Catholic, even one who appears to favor the pre-Vatican II version of the faith. Even polls among legal Hispanic America seem to suggest that the majority of them also oppose illegal immigration.

5. Most of the main Protestant denominations (Methodists, UCC, Presbyterians, etc) have declared their support of fair immigration reform legislation. The main opposition comes from the right-wing, which seems to be supported by many of devote Catholic posters here.

 6. There are other issues at stake here. I do not defend the new law enacted in Arizona, but it was in large part motivated by wholesale crime (including murders), drugs, and other problems associated with illegal immigration.

 7. Yes, there has been Protestant fear of Catholicism, in large part because of the attitude exhibited by posters like Sir Knight and others. There has been a fear that a Catholic majority would bring about a form of religious totalitarianism per the "Syllabus of Errors' and other papal statements. Some of this Protestant opposition has been based on sheer prejudice, but much of it has been based on what often appears to be intense Catholic intolerance of other faiths. That form of Catholicism has troubled Protestants just as the Al Qaeda form of Islam worries all good Americans. 

 8. Yes, there also is a rather strong feeling among some Protestants when it comes to some Catholic beliefs. They may regard some of them as superstitions, relics from the Middle Ages, in contradiction to the Bible, etc. This is not the same as prejudice against Catholics. It is no different than Catholics who take issue with Protestantism. Are they against Protestants? I hope and assume not. I trust we all endorse the basics of American democracy and respect one another as much as we disagree on religion, politics, or whatever. 

  9. Protestant fear has faded away over the past half-century. Why? Several reasons, but especially these two. (a) The Catholic Church has adopted a much more tolerant attitude toward Protestants and others, starting especially with Vatican II. The old isolation that Catholicism practiced before that - e. g. it was a major sin for Catholics to even enter a Protestant church, etc. - has disappeared and Catholics and Protestants work together in various areas, such as soup kitchens, Church Women United etc. Catholic refusal to attend baptisms, weddings, funerfals, etc., in Protestant churches a generation or two ago caused considerable resentment against Catholicism. That has ceased. (b) It seems obvious to Protestants today that the hierarchy no longer controls the Catholic laity. Take the issue of artificial birth control. It has been condemned and forbidden by the church but millions - probably the large majority of Catholic adults - practice it. I heard on EWTN today that only about 35% of US Catholics believe in transubstantiation. So, whatever the stance of the Catholic church. most Protestants realize that now Catholic Americans accept or reject it as they choose. This is in large part because the democratic spirit has become well established among Americans of all faiths.

God bles those of every creed, color and country, and may religion become a bridge rather than a barrier.
 
Immigration - Protestant prejudice - Inkaneer
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Let me address briefly the point Inkaneer raises regarding Protestant prejudice and immigration.

1. Probably 90% or more of the original Europeans to settle in the original colonies were Protestants. Only one of the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence was a Catholic. Yet, millions of Catholics were legally allowed to enter the USA between 1840-1940. If Protestants were so prejudiced why did they permit this to happen?
The same reason why protestants imported slaves, cheap labor. Except the Europeans were needed to man the industrial plants that were springing up as well as the mines and to build the railroads. 450 Irish laborers built the Horseshoe curve on the Pennsylvania Railroad using picks, shovels, explosives, mules, wheelbarrows and carts. The industrial revolution began in Europe about 100 years before it did here. My grandfather came here to build the transcontinental Canadian railroad. Ended up working in a mine.
  1. Today nine out of every ten Christians to enter the USA legally are Catholics. With Catholics a fourth of the population (and half of those ‘cafeteria Catholics’) does this suggest that Protestantism has stood in the way of Catholic immigration?
Protestants wanted them for cheap labor but not for management. That’s why Catholics aligned themselves with the unions. You know how many Catholics were in management positions at the headquarters of USSteel in the 1950’s? None. Know how many were file clerks and secretaries? Lots. In a large bank headquartered where I live it was well known that if your name ended in a vowel you could forget about being hired. That was because you were probably Catholic.
3, The problem with the influx of Hispanic immigrants today is that most of them are entering illegally, against the law. That is an entirely different circumstance. Does Inkaneer favor the breaking of the law or legal immigration?
Why are they coming here? To work. Because people will hire them and pay them sub wages. It’s the same old story of cheap labor. Want to keep them out? Then enact laws with super strict penalties for employers who hire illegals and the immigration problem disappears. Make it economically unprofitable for employers to hire illegals and no more problem. But then who will pick the lettuce?
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4. Perhaps the most voficerous opponent of such mass illegal immigration is Pat Buchanan, who has written at least one book against it. Buchanan is an avid Catholic, even one who appears to favor the pre-Vatican II version of the faith. Even polls among legal Hispanic America seem to suggest that the majority of them also oppose illegal immigration.
And your point is…? Pat Buchanan was the poster boy for the right wing Silent Majority. The token Catholic, if you will. But I’ll tell you what Pat Buchanan actually proves is that the protestant idea of Catholics taking their cue from Rome was completely false.
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5. Most of the main Protestant denominations (Methodists, UCC, Presbyterians, etc) have declared their support of fair immigration reform legislation. The main opposition comes from the right-wing, which seems to be supported by many of devote Catholic posters here.
Yeah, its getting to be the christian thing to do. Of course what is fair is open to debate. And I wouldn’t be too sure about that right wing stuff either. As I see it the right wing wants these people treated as people and not like lettuce picking machines. So things like medical care, a livable wage, decent housing, etc. should not be denied to these people. Of course those things cost money, aah there’s the rub. With those things cheap labor is not cheap anymore.
  1. There are other issues at stake here. I do not defend the new law enacted in Arizona, but it was in large part motivated by wholesale crime (including murders), drugs, and other problems associated with illegal immigration.
Yeah, it would be nice to pick and choose who you let in. Unfortunately one can’t tell crooks and drug dealers from lettuce pickers.
 
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 7. Yes, there has been Protestant fear of Catholicism, in large part because of the attitude exhibited by posters like Sir Knight and others. There has been a fear that a Catholic majority would bring about a form of religious totalitarianism per the "Syllabus of Errors' and other papal statements. Some of this Protestant opposition has been based on sheer prejudice, but much of it has been based on what often appears to be intense Catholic intolerance of other faiths. That form of Catholicism has troubled Protestants just as the Al Qaeda form of Islam worries all good Americans.
Actually the separation of church and state favored by our founding fathers was not directed at the Catholic Church but rather at protestants, primarily the Church of England. The early English colonists like the Pilgrims, the Quakers and the Puritans were fleeing from the church of England which was headed by the King of England. Of course once here those same colonists did exactly the same thing as the English king. That is why Roger Williams had to flee from Massachusetts to Rhode Island and establish the Baptist denomination there. In fact the only colony where religious freedom existed was Maryland which was the only colony established by Catholics. Isn’t that odd? By the way that solitary Catholic signer of the Declaration of Independence was from Maryland.
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8. Yes, there also is a rather strong feeling among some Protestants when it comes to some Catholic beliefs. They may regard some of them as superstitions, relics from the Middle Ages, in contradiction to the Bible, etc. This is not the same as prejudice against Catholics. It is no different than Catholics who take issue with Protestantism. Are they against Protestants? I hope and assume not. I trust we all endorse the basics of American democracy and respect one another as much as we disagree on religion, politics, or whatever.
Those protestants are at best ignorant of church history or at worst bigots. To most protestants church history began on October 31, 1517. Catholics go back to Pentecost 33 AD. As for Catholics taking issue with protestants, as far as I can see it is a defensive measure. I know of no protestant forums like the one here at Catholic Answers where a discussion like this one can occur. Why is that? Why is it that Catholics can go back to church writers in the first, second and third centuries and show that they believed the same things as we do today but protestants can’t get past the 16th century.
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 9. Protestant fear has faded away over the past half-century. Why? Several reasons, but especially these two. (a) The Catholic Church has adopted a much more tolerant attitude toward Protestants and others, starting especially with Vatican II. The old isolation that Catholicism practiced before that - e. g. it was a major sin for Catholics to even enter a Protestant church, etc. - has disappeared and Catholics and Protestants work together in various areas, such as soup kitchens, Church Women United etc. Catholic refusal to attend baptisms, weddings, funerfals, etc., in Protestant churches a generation or two ago caused considerable resentment against Catholicism. That has ceased. (b) It seems obvious to Protestants today that the hierarchy no longer controls the Catholic laity. Take the issue of artificial birth control. It has been condemned and forbidden by the church but millions - probably the large majority of Catholic adults - practice it. I heard on EWTN today that only about 35% of US Catholics believe in transubstantiation. So, whatever the stance of the Catholic church. most Protestants realize that now Catholic Americans accept or reject it as they choose. This is in large part because the democratic spirit has become well established among Americans of all faiths.
First of all the position of the Catholic Church has not changed regarding protestants. While we now call them separated brethren they are still separated by their own decision. Any eucumenical merger will not be based on a compromise of Catholic teaching. Quite frankly I don’t see any mass merger. Rather I see protestantism dividing and subdividing as it has for 500 years until it reaches a point where it is unsustainable. You heard the old saying of when you have two Jews you get three opinions? Well when you have three protestants you get two opinions and one new denomination.

As for protestant fear waning, don’t fool yourself. Protestant prejudice still abounds. Anti-Catholicism is alive and well in America and around the world. But that is good. Jesus told the Apostles that Satan wanted to sift them like wheat. That has never changed. In fact, if your denomination isn’t under constant attack then you are doing something wrong. If Satan doesn’t want to sift you then maybe its because he doesn’t have to.
 
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Your response indicates such a deep and bitter prejudice against Protestantism that I don't think it's worth my effort to answer point by point. You are right on some points, but obviously we disagree on others.

 Yes, there is hostility against Catholicism in America. Most of it comes from the same source that is hostile to Protestantism and religion generally - avid secularism. Most Protestants I know were and continue to be delighted with the better relationship between Protestantism and Catholicism since Vatican II. Your attitude suggests that you only think of ecumenism in terms of the reunion of Christendom under the Papacy and in accord with full Catholic doctrine. That will not happen.  

 If you have read my postings previously you are aware that I come from a mixed religious background and am particularly interested in better relations between Catholicism and Protestantism - actually, all religions. I have relatives 'in both camps' - fine people. It is sad that Catholics and Protestants have to keep dragging out arguments to diminish one another. There is one Lord, and most Christians acknowledge that. Why do some people become so angry when people choose to interpret scripture differently? Personally, I find it interesting and stimulating rather than alienating. 

 Religion should be a bridge and not a barrier. God bless Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox - and I would add Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. I'm sure that God smiles upon all those, of whatever faith, who love him and one another. Christ clearly stated that this was a summation of his message. 

 Oh, as for the early Church fathers, I read most of them over the years. There is some wisdom in their writings, even brilliance considering the times, but there also are major errors because they did not have modern telescopes, miscrocopes and other means of understanding the vast universe around them. Even today, with all of our advances, there is so much that we cannot understand in the mysterious world. Some look to the Pope for the final word. Others look to the Bible. Many of us seek to combine scripture and reason with a certain amount of tradition thrown in. Too much reliance upon tradition, however, can be a hazard. Religion, like other things, has to make certain adjustments to the times. I'm sure you don't agree with that. Fine. We disagree. I don't find that a crime, as it was when the church executed heretics. The Protestant record is less than glorious, also.
 
They are indeed Christians but they are SEPARATED brothers to such an extent that we can not offer them the Eucharist. And what did Jesus say about those who do not eat His Body and drink His blood?John 6:53 - So Jesus said again, “I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you cannot have eternal life within you.”
A protestant told me that they do eat the body and drink the blood of Christ:confused:
 
People look for a hundred and one ways to find reasons to understand what the church and the bible teaches, but to simply trust the awsomeness of Almighty God that He simply can DO ALL things nothing is Impossible for Him to do…is so very hard!!!

God puts the truth into our hearts once we open up to Him and ask Him…but you must be willing to hear what Our Wonderful Saviour says to us!!!

The Peace and Love of Christ be with you, God Bless!!!
 
So what you are telling us is that someone who did never get into contact with the Catholic Church because he was raised in another Christian denomination will perish forever, based on a saying by someone (Jerome) who never saw the reformation or the aftermath?
How can you blame not being in the Catholic Church on someone today who has never been raised in her? The reformers for example were familiar with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Their early followers were too. But just a few generations down the line people were only familiar with what they’d been raised in.
In understand if you want to blame people like me who defected, but you cannot blame someone who has never believed the Catholic Church to be the One Church.
I agree with you Janet. I think this statement was directed to persons such as yourself, who have defected. I don’t think it is “blame”, though, but pastoral warning intended to guide the confused.
 
Your are correct, I don’t have to buy it. But I’ll go you one better. I don’t think you are Catholic nor do I think you were ever Catholic… Like I said, you can keep your bridge, I’m not buying it.
inkaneer, I dont’ think it serves any beneficial purpose here for you to disparage the experiences of other CAF members. I went to Catholic school too, and there were a great many fundamentals of the faith that I did not absorb, even though I attended compulsory Mass as well. Actually, he is demonstrating what should be the case for all Catholic Children, that they go to Mass because it is part of the culture of being Catholic, and not because they are afraid to commit a grave sin. Attendance should be desired in us, rather than imposed externally. He obviously was part of a family that practiced their faith.

I think you underestimate the poor catechesis within Catholic schools and parishes in the last 50 years. the “spirit of Vatican 2” contaminated a great deal of teaching and training in righteousness.
 
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Wow! I wonder if you are 'more Catholic than the Pope' - or, at least John XXIII, my favorite. Or, maybe, are you Catholic at all? As I recall Fr. Feeney, formerly of Boston (now probably deceased) argued that 'outside the church there is no salvation' and he was admonished.
He was not admonished for teaching this eternal truth. He was admonished for teaching something apart from what the Magesterium taught on the topic.
 
That sap quickly drys up and so does life. How long do flowers live when cut from the root? A week if you’re lucky. A cut down Christmas tree will stop drawing water in about a month showing that it is dead. How many CENTURIES have Protestants been separated from the Church? That sap is long gone and so is life.
No, Knight. Your statement contradicts the Catechism, which clearly states that the HS uses these ecclesial communities to draw people to Himself. You are equating individuals with a group phenomenon. True, those who reject the Catholic faith cannot be saved. However, the vast majority of American Protestants have never been exposed to the Catholic faith. i agree, it is incumbent upon an individual to study to show themselves approved. PR is right, it is not appropriate for us to imply that certain individuals will not go to heaven, just because they are part of a faith tradition whose ancestors separated themselves from the whole and inviolate faith.
 
And Catholics are saved THROUGH the Catholic Church but since Protestants REJECT the Catholic Church, they ALSO reject that salvation.
It is true that all who are saved are so through the catholic Church. However, most Protestants do not know enought about the Catholic Church to reject her. Some of them have never even thought of her…They think she is “just another denomination”.
Jesus established ONE Church; NOT many Churches (Matt. 16:18). He said in John 13:20 that “he who receives anyone who I send, receives Me.” He who receives the apostles, receives Christ Himself. He who rejects the apostles and their successors, rejects Christ. The Protestants do not receive the successors of the Apostles and by rejecting them, they reject Christ.
It is true that there is only One Church, One faith, One Baptism. That is why there is no salvation outside of the Church. Most Protestants do not receive the successors of the Apostles because they have not been reached by them. Catholics have been notoriously neglectful of evangelism for centuries.

People such as yourself, who are firm in their faith, and should be evangelizing, seem to be more interested in pronouncing condemnation than reaching those separated from the root.
If Protestants accept the Catholic faith then they can go to heaven but if they accept the Catholic Faith and accept the successors of the Apostles, then they would be Catholic and not Protestant. So, no, those who reject the Catholic faith can not go to heaven.
There are already, and will be persons in heaven who are not indentifiable as Catholic in this life. It is not our place to judge the souls of others.
 
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Your response indicates such a deep and bitter prejudice against Protestantism that I don't think it's worth my effort to answer point by point. You are right on some points, but obviously we disagree on others.

 Yes, there is hostility against Catholicism in America. Most of it comes from the same source that is hostile to Protestantism and religion generally - avid secularism. Most Protestants I know were and continue to be delighted with the better relationship between Protestantism and Catholicism since Vatican II. Your attitude suggests that you only think of ecumenism in terms of the reunion of Christendom under the Papacy and in accord with full Catholic doctrine. That will not happen..
First of all I hold no prejudice against protestants. We live in a world of choices and we live and die by those choices. I do see protestantism as a bad choice and I will point out to those wiling to listen why I think so. Sometimes that ruffles some feathers because I was never gifted with the talent of diplomacy. But sometimes one has to say this is what it is no matter what the consequences may be. So with that in mind i will say that if you think that a reunion of christians means that we will compromise on the truth then it will not happen. If those early Catholics who met the lions in Rome’s Circus Maximus didn’t compromise their faith how can we? I can see why protestants would want Catholics to compromise our doctrines for it would provide protestantism with the legitimacy they have sought all along. Then they can say, “see, we’re just as good as you are.” But that will not happen. Protestantism will have to live up to the very scriptures they claim are their authority and that includes all the scriptures. But even if compromise was possible, which it isn’t, to whom do we compromise? Protestantism is so divided and fractured that any compromise is impossible. That division and fracturing is ongoing and will continue as long as protestantism believes in the fairy tale of sola scriptura. One of two things will happen, either protestantism will divide itself into smaller and smaller denominations until the point is reach where these denominations cannot sustain themselves or protestantism wakes up and realizes that sola scriptura doesn’t work and it sees that what is needed and lacking is what they do not have. That is a single authority to interpret scripture.
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 Religion should be a bridge and not a barrier. God bless Catholics, Protestants, Orthodox - and I would add Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. I'm sure that God smiles upon all those, of whatever faith, who love him and one another. Christ clearly stated that this was a summation of his message. .
People like Jack Chick and Lorraine Boettner make a nice living selling their Anti- Catholic prejudice to protestants. If protestants want to build a bridge maybe starting on your own shoreline is not a bad idea. Of course protestantism can’t do that because they lack the cohesiveness necessary to have any co ordination. Unlike Catholicism, protestantism doesn’t speak with one voice.

Also this idea that God smiles on all people of “whatever faith” is a fallacy. It is the heresy of indifferentism wrapped in New Age terminology. Jesus went to great lengths to establish a church. That is church singular, not churches plural. Why would anyone who claims they love God want to separate himself from that one church? Because it supposedly went astray? Really? Remember this is the church that Jesus said would prevail over the forces of hell. This claim that protestants offer that somehow the church lost its way and needed reformation is pure baloney. If the church lost its way then hell prevailed and that is impossible according to Jesus. So how can protestants say they love Jesus and call Him a liar at the same time? I don’t know hte answer to that question, maybe you do. Protestants will have to return to that church established by Jesus. And that church will not compromise its doctrines for it cannot. The Holy Spirit will not permit it.
 
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 Oh, as for the early Church fathers, I read most of them over the years. There is some wisdom in their writings, even brilliance considering the times, but there also are major errors because they did not have modern telescopes, miscrocopes and other means of understanding the vast universe around them. Even today, with all of our advances, there is so much that we cannot understand in the mysterious world. Some look to the Pope for the final word. Others look to the Bible. Many of us seek to combine scripture and reason with a certain amount of tradition thrown in. Too much reliance upon tradition, however, can be a hazard. Religion, like other things, has to make certain adjustments to the times. I'm sure you don't agree with that. Fine. We disagree. I don't find that a crime, as it was when the church executed heretics. The Protestant record is less than glorious, also.
Did you read the early church writers for their science or for their theology? Read them again for their theology and ask yourself this question; are these guys teaching protestantism or Catholicism? I can assure you there isn’t a protestant in the whole bunch. That is because protestantism is a 16th century invention of man. It is the tradition of man that protestants like to accuse the Catholic church of. I find it somewhat amusing that they accuse us of what they are. As for heretics the chuirch executed not one of them. Arius and Nestorious lived to be old men as did Luther, Calvin and Zwinglii. Heretics, however, ran into a buzz saw in the middle ages when the idea that kings ruled by a divine right was in vogue. Kings saw it as their duty to uphold the faith and to dispatch heretics and doubly so if they said or wrote anything against the king. Even the fantastic claims of protestants of the hundreds of thousands killed by the church in the Inquisition has been thoroughly debunked. Yet during the so called reformation Catholic convents were attacked and nuns raped. Monasteries were attacked and priests and monks killed some even crucified. England ran red with the blood of Catholics for over two hundred years. Protestants have no right to point their fingers at the Catholic Church when those very fingers drip with the blood of martyred saints.

In spite of all that the Catholic church holds itself out to protestants even calling them our separated brothers. You say I have a prejudice against protestants. I don’t. One does not need prejudice when the truth speaks fore itself. So your beef, if any, is not with me. Instead it is time to build that bridge by first clearing away the rubble where your abutment will be.
 
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