Did Jesus in His Humanity "knew" of His future Resurrection or just believed in it?

[JurisPrudens]

This is what I’ve been thinking of. If it was a matter of faith, than His suffering were even stronger than if He firmly “knew” it.

Of course, Jesus is God and in His Divine nature He knew everything to come. However, as I understand the prevailing christology, as a Human, Jesus “chose not to know” certain things “in a human way”, like He did with the day and hour of His Second Coming. Thus, would it not be wrong to assume that Jesus did not see His destiny in a clear visionary way, but trusted His Father on this issue?

Of course, to “know” something in most cases means to “believe” in something; e.g., I know that this post is being stored at some remote server, because I believe this is how this works. So, basically, I am asking whether Jesus “saw” His future Resurrection the way we see the sunlight or He just believed it to be just and logical?

 

[porthos11]

He may not have known it in his experimental knowledge, as that was one that had to grow and develop.

He most certainly had it in his infused knowledge and of course, through the Beatific Vision.

 

[MikeFr]

Jesus said this:

“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

John 2:19

He definitely knew at some point.

Blessings.

Mike

 

[MaryHelp777]

Jesus is fully God and fully man.

Jesus predicted His Passion, and His resurrection
As well as predicting details of the end of the world, his Second Coming, and Heaven.

So as God, Jesus did Have Divine knowledge of the future, of others (He told the woman at the well “all things she had ever done”), and even knowledge of things past, “He told St Peter to go fishing and that he would find a fish with a shekel coin in it’s mouth to pay the tax collectors with. He told the Pharisees, that he knew Abraham, that” Before Abraham was, i Am" (He claimed he was one with the Father), and that at the beginning of time, “I tell you solemnly, I saw satan fall from Heaven like lightning.”

 

[Crusaderbear]

He probably knew what, but from his agonies in the garden, I don’t think he knewxthe extent of the path he chose…the human free will element complicates things greatly. There may have been a way to end his life that would not allow for resurrection for example.

 

[Upgrade25]

He probably knew what, but from his agonies in the garden, I don’t think he knewxthe extent of the path he chose…the human free will element complicates things greatly. There may have been a way to end his life that would not allow for resurrection for example.

Please correct me if this is heresy, but I think that not to be so. That there is the Hypostatic Union means that He predestined to die on the Cross.

 

[NeedImprovement]

Jesus said this:

“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

John 2:19

He definitely knew at some point.

Blessings.

Mike

I agree.

He not only knew, but he was actually doing his best to teach his disciples that he knew - it’s a recurring theme in the Gospels.

NAB Matt 16:21

From that time on, Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer greatly from the elders, the chief priests, and the scribes, and be killed and on the third day be raised.

Several of the other Gospel references expressing the same: Mark 8:31, 9:31 ; Luke 24:7

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I must confess (my own personal opinion) that I have trouble warming up to the idea that Jesus did not see His (human) destiny clearly , or that he *wouldn’t have known the extent of the path he chose * .

The plausibility factor might increase somewhat if we were to consider Jesus , in terms of sacrifice, as a victim only. But He was also a priest, and God. So both his passion and His action must be considered. He had to offer His entire Sacrifice as a priest and to consent as a victim to all that would happen to Him. What he endured, suffered and offered, saved us all from our sins. That He somehow wouldn’t have fully known what He was doing, doesn’t really fit with the rest.

 

[jcrichton]

This is what I’ve been thinking of. If it was a matter of faith, than His suffering were even stronger than if He firmly “knew” it.

Of course, Jesus is God and in His Divine nature He knew everything to come. However, as I understand the prevailing christology, as a Human, Jesus “chose not to know” certain things “in a human way”, like He did with the day and hour of His Second Coming. Thus, would it not be wrong to assume that Jesus did not see His destiny in a clear visionary way, but trusted His Father on this issue?

Of course, to “know” something in most cases means to “believe” in something; e.g., I know that this post is being stored at some remote server, because I believe this is how this works. So, basically, I am asking whether Jesus “saw” His future Resurrection the way we see the sunlight or He just believed it to be just and logical?

Hi!
…I have seen this before… people want so much to feel Jesus’ humanity that they reach for the stars (at least two movies have Jesus as a child performing miracles, etc.); then there are the ones who want to blame the Father for killing the Son…

Jesus suffering was extraordinary (here, some want to find Jesus so human that He fears the pain of suffering and death); His suffering is so extreme not because He fear as humans do but because He came to die for humanity while fully cognizant that many would still reject Him: He suffered for humanity and suffered humanity’s rejection, in spite of His Gift of Life (His Life for humanity and His Life (Salvation) for humanity):

31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” (St. Luke 16:31)

Yet, in spite of this Jesus fully accepts His Charge:

49 And he said to them: How is it that you sought me? did you not know, that I must be about my father’s business? (St. Luke 2:49)

27 Now is my soul troubled. And what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour. But for this cause I came unto this hour. (St. John 12:27)

18 Behold we go up to Jerusalem, and the Son of man shall be betrayed to the chief priests and the scribes, and they shall condemn him to death. 19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to be mocked, and scourged, and crucified, and the third day he shall rise again. (St. Matthew 20:18-19)

17 Therefore doth the Father love me: because I lay down my life, that I may take it again. 18 No man taketh it away from me: but I lay it down of myself, and I have power to lay it down: and I have power to take it up again. This commandment have I received of my Father. (St. John 10:17-18)

Though we are Taught by Scriptures that Christ, being of Divine Nature, did not sought to equate Himself to God (the Father) but that He emptied Himself of His Divinity, this does not means that Jesus was operating on a “wait and see” mode–He insist on Who He Is; He simply choose not to engage His Divinity (Omniscience, Omnipotent, Omnipresence); rather, He made Himself both a Servant of God (the Father) and a servant of man. Ergo, Christ fully expected to be Resurrected–and, as God would have it, He was following the Father’s Command!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

He probably knew what, but from his agonies in the garden, I don’t think he knewxthe extent of the path he chose…the human free will element complicates things greatly. There may have been a way to end his life that would not allow for resurrection for example.

…I think you forget the clause: “like” but with out sin.

Jesus’ free will was fully subject to the Father–so much so that at Twelve He goes back home (Nazareth) where He remains obedient to His earthly parents.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[mikekle]

Of course he knew how his life on earth was going to end, but what made it different from other people, Jesus KNEW what happened at death, he KNEW what it was like, so it wasnt so much of a scary mystery to him as it was for everyone else, sure he knew he was going to have to suffer thru some real physical pain, but he knew what the end result was going to be and it was a very good thing.

 

[PJM]

This is what I’ve been thinking of. If it was a matter of faith, than His suffering were even stronger than if He firmly “knew” it.

Of course, Jesus is God and in His Divine nature He knew everything to come. However, as I understand the prevailing christology, as a Human, Jesus “chose not to know” certain things “in a human way”, like He did with the day and hour of His Second Coming. Thus, would it not be wrong to assume that Jesus did not see His destiny in a clear visionary way, but trusted His Father on this issue?

Of course, to “know” something in most cases means to “believe” in something; e.g., I know that this post is being stored at some remote server, because I believe this is how this works. So, basically, I am asking whether Jesus “saw” His future Resurrection the way we see the sunlight or He just believed it to be just and logical?

The Divinity and the humanity 2 natures} of Jesus were inseparable. The FACT that Jesus “sweated blood” in the garden before his being taken a\captive proves this…

Luke 22:44
And his sweat became as drops of blood, trickling down upon the ground

God Bless you

Patrick

 

[jcrichton]

Of course he knew how his life on earth was going to end, but what made it different from other people, Jesus KNEW what happened at death, he KNEW what it was like, so it wasnt so much of a scary mystery to him as it was for everyone else, sure he knew he was going to have to suffer thru some real physical pain, but he knew what the end result was going to be and it was a very good thing.

…His angst came also from that “knowledge:” He knew man would still not believe!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Nita]

Jesus said this:

“Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

In addition to the above verse, Mt. 26:32 also shows Jesus knew He would rise from the dead:

Matt. 26:31 Then Jesus said to them, “You will all fall away because of me this night; for it is written, ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’ 32 But after I am raised up, I will go before you to Galilee.

 

[mikekle]

…His angst came also from that “knowledge:” He knew man would still not believe!

Maran atha!

Angel

He also told Lazarus, when he asked him to let him come back and warn his relatives of the dangers, that the living would not believe him…how right he was!!

Ive said before, Jesus himself could descend into Times square in NYC during rush hour, with 500 angels around him and I would bet no one would even believe it, they would claim it was a hoax, drugs in the water, etc. lol

 

[Nita]

…
Of course, Jesus is God and in His Divine nature He knew everything to come. However, as I understand the prevailing christology, as a Human, Jesus “chose not to know” certain things “in a human way”, like He did with the day and hour of His Second Coming. Thus, would it not be wrong to assume that Jesus did not see His destiny in a clear visionary way, but trusted His Father on this issue?

… So, basically, I am asking whether Jesus “saw” His future Resurrection the way we see the sunlight or He just believed it to be just and logical?

It would be “wrong to assume that Jesus did not see His destiny in a clear visionary way,…”
CCC 474 By its union to the divine wisdom in the person of the Word incarnate, Christ enjoyed in his human knowledge the fullness of understanding of the eternal plans he had come to reveal. What he admitted to not knowing in this area, he elsewhere declared himself not sent to reveal.

cf. Acts 1:7 He answered them, "It is not for you to know the times or seasons that the Father has established by his own authority.

 

[MaryHelp777]

I have heard priests say, that because God is infinite,
That God could have chosen to redeem mankind by power, rather than by suffering, But God chose to suffer in order to show us how much He loves us.

 

[jcrichton]

He also told Lazarus, when he asked him to let him come back and warn his relatives of the dangers, that the living would not believe him…how right he was!!

Ive said before, Jesus himself could descend into Times square in NYC during rush hour, with 500 angels around him and I would bet no one would even believe it, they would claim it was a hoax, drugs in the water, etc. lol

Hi, Mike!
…what I find interesting about that parable is the way Jesus worded it… even if a man (Jesus) would rise from the dead, they would not believe!

…I don’t doubt your scenario; just tell them you saw “chupa cabra” or some other extra-worldly being/s and the masses would lap it up!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

I have heard priests say, that because God is infinite,
That God could have chosen to redeem mankind by power, rather than by suffering, But God chose to suffer in order to show us how much He loves us.

Hi, Mary!
…here’s the Scripture to go with that:

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. (St. John 3:16-17)

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[abucs]

Matthew 16:4

"A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.”