Did Jesus in the Bible say that He was not God?

[Hakathriel]

Saint Gregory of Nyssa:

Therefore St. John, who also entered into this bright mist, says that no one has seen God at any time, meaning by this negation the knowledge of the divine nature is impossible not only for humans but for every created intellect.

(Opera Omnia, J.P. Migne, ed., Paris, 1863, p. 376d)

 

[Hakathriel]

tqualey,

I was going to publish even more directly relevant passages from the Doctors of the Church and the Church Fathers on God the Father as transcendental Aitia and Arche-Principium or Arche-Cause in relation to the “Procession of the Divine Persons”, emphasis being on the God the Father’s relativistic (or “relational”) primacy of role within the Divine Trinitarian economy, but I see your inner mentality of superciliousness and un-Christian, subtle hauteur has not appreciably changed.

Philosophical-intellectual dialogue between fellow-Christians should not be characterized by this-worldly emotive pettiness and spiteful attitudinizing.

Therefore I am done with the “discussion”.

Some one else can be the passive recipient of your unmannered, condescending affectation, but I am not such a one…

 

[tqualey]

Hi, or is it bye, Hakathriel?

I am really not surprised - but, best wishes with your next exchange.

Don’t forget to try and go easy on that ponderous prose you have obviously mastered.

God bless

tqualey,

I was going to publish even more directly relevant passages from the Doctors of the Church and the Church Fathers on God the Father as transcendental Aitia and Arche-Principium or Arche-Cause in relation to the “Procession of the Divine Persons”, emphasis being on the God the Father’s relativistic (or “relational”) primacy of role within the Divine Trinitarian economy, but I see your inner mentality of superciliousness and un-Christian, subtle hauteur has not appreciably changed.

Philosophical-intellectual dialogue between fellow-Christians should not be characterized by this-worldly emotive pettiness and spiteful attitudinizing.

Therefore I am done with the “discussion”.

Some one else can be the passive recipient of your unmannered, condescending affectation, but I am not such a one…

 

[E_Thrower_II]

I’ve been in discussion with Muslims in more recent times, mostly concerning Jesus. Now one of the arguments that keeps cropping up and which I’m struggling to answer is the claim that Jesus Himself in the BIBLE states that he is not God and that He should not be worshipped as God.

Here are a selection of the quotes I was given from the Bible:

[BIBLEDRB]Luke 4:8[/BIBLEDRB]

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 19:16-17[/BIBLEDRB]

A final one which seems to state that whilst being great, none of the disciples believed Him to be God.
[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 16:13-14[/BIBLEDRB]

So, how do I reconcile these passages with the rest of Scripture?

Dear friend,

Each gospel writer is depicting Jesus’ life from four different perspectives as they were moved by the spirit of God. Matthew as a King (lion), Mark as Servant (ox), Luke as a Man (man), and John as the Trinity (eagle).

Ref. Ezekiel 1:1-12, Isaiah 40:10 & 42:1, Zechariah 6:12 & 9:9.

Each gospel is tailored to depict Christ in each respective role. There are similarities as well as differences.

NOTE: Matthew’s genealogy is by succession (kingship), whereas Luke’s is by nature (humanity). Mark makes no mention of Christ’s genealogy or origin because nobody cares about the genealogy of a servant. All that matters is the work that needs be done. John refers to Christ as the Word, as God, and as the Light (the Trinity). There are many more particulars to support my claim such as John’s gospel is the only gospel Jesus says, “I and my Father are one.” Luke’s gospel is the only gospel Jesus says he was in temptation. Not of evil but to prove him. Ref. Heb.5:8

Hope this helps. God bless.

• The first step to understanding the Bible is to believe what it says.

 

[tqualey]

Hi, E Thrower

Excellent!

Dear friend,

Each gospel writer is depicting Jesus’ life from four different perspectives as they were moved by the spirit of God. Matthew as a King (lion), Mark as Servant (ox), Luke as a Man (man), and John as the Trinity (eagle).

Ref. Ezekiel 1:1-12, Isaiah 40:10 & 42:1, Zechariah 6:12 & 9:9.

Each gospel is tailored to depict Christ in each respective role. There are similarities as well as differences.

NOTE: Matthew’s genealogy is by succession (kingship), whereas Luke’s is by nature (humanity). Mark makes no mention of Christ’s genealogy or origin because nobody cares about the genealogy of a servant. All that matters is the work that needs be done. John refers to Christ as the Word, as God, and as the Light (the Trinity). There are many more particulars to support my claim such as John’s gospel is the only gospel Jesus says, “I and my Father are one.” Luke’s gospel is the only gospel Jesus says he was in temptation. Not of evil but to prove him. Ref. Heb.5:8

Hope this helps. God bless.

• The first step to understanding the Bible is to believe what it says.