Did Jesus Know All Things At All Times?

[claymcdermott]

Well, I am just trying to give one possible hypothetical working model, Michael; that was the sense in which I meant that I was stretching. I am interested in what you mean, because I (genuinely) don’t think you mean to suggest Jesus’ earthly life actually had him sitting around consciously thinking about Columbus, the English language, and Cindy Lauper - or that my doubt that these subjects occurred to the human Jesus constitute “a complete stretch.”

Besides, if you reread what I wrote, you will see I did not in fact put limits on Jesus’ divinity, or the idea that He knew all things in His divinity (or even his humanity). What I put a limit on, was the number of things that any given time the human mind of Jesus was conscious of (not even, “could have been conscious of,” just “probably was conscious of”).

In this way, I tried to show that it was possible for Jesus to have something that looked like a human subjective experience, enabling him to “grow in wisdom in stature.” (Lk2:52) In fact, I actually have a higher Christology than most, for here I am asserting that he actually knew all things when He was a blastocyst.

I would be interested in the actual reasoning that leads to your dismissal, because I think I don’t exactly get what you’re saying.

PS I am slightly offended that you infer that I was being disingenuous or my suggestion was unserious. Maybe I am that stupid, but I really though that this was a good way to resolve the subjective human experience of Jesus with his total divinity.
Being light and not-peed-off is not being unserious; if it was, I don’t know if I could ever be serious, nor would I want to be.

 

[claymcdermott]

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[Michael19682]

Well, I am just trying to give one possible hypothetical working model, Michael; that was the sense in which I meant that I was stretching. I am interested in what you mean, because I (genuinely) don’t think you mean to suggest Jesus’ earthly life actually had him sitting around consciously thinking about Columbus, the English language, and Cindy Lauper - or that my doubt that these subjects occurred to the human Jesus constitute “a complete stretch.”

Besides, if you reread what I wrote, you will see I did not in fact put limits on Jesus’ divinity, or the idea that He knew all things in His divinity (or even his humanity). What I put a limit on, was the number of things that any given time the human mind of Jesus was conscious of (not even, “could have been conscious of,” just “probably was conscious of”).

In this way, I tried to show that it was possible for Jesus to have something that looked like a human subjective experience, enabling him to “grow in wisdom in stature.” (Lk2:52) In fact, I actually have a higher Christology than most, for here I am asserting that he actually knew all things when He was a blastocyst.

I would be interested in the actual reasoning that leads to your dismissal, because I think I don’t exactly get what you’re saying.

PS I am slightly offended that you infer that I was being disingenuous or my suggestion was unserious. Maybe I am that stupid, but I really thought that this was a good way to resolve the subjective human experience of Jesus with his total divinity.
Being light and not-peed-off is not being unserious; if it was, I don’t know if I could ever be serious, nor would I want to be.

NO, by disingenuous I did not mean light.

But to the topic’s point…I don’t think we should be fooled by the funny name or fame, as the case maybe, of who Jesus was thinking of and when. We all, regardless of name, were created since before before creation. Chosen before the foundation, those of us saved. So yes, I think Jesus was thinking of all created people, past, present in his time on earth, and all to come in future ages when he walked this earth in the body he inherited partly from Mary, his virgin mother. These are written into the book of life? If he hadn’t had all people in mind, his sacrifice would have been diminished and we know the opposite is true.

 

[Michael19682]

Your point about trying to resolve humanity with divinity…It’s already been done by Jesus. We have no alternative but to lose this body. Do you agree?

 

[claymcdermott]

Well, Michael, I still don’t think I understand how to interpret what you are saying (and I don’t think you get what I am saying either), but lacking an explanation from you I can interpret well, I don’t want to dominate this forum. So, feel free to message me privately with maybe some more proof reading and we can discuss the theory if you want to.