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oppositeman
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Is there scripture that tells us that Jesus had the knowledge of Him existing as the second person of the Holy Trinity while He lived His life on earth?
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irenaeuslyons
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The son of a lion is a lion, the son of duck is a duck. The son of the one true God is God. We get our nature from our parents. Part of the nature of God is being One.Is there scripture that tells us that Jesus had the knowledge of Him existing as the second person of the Holy Trinity while He lived His life on earth?
Mt. 26:63-64;Mk. 14:61-62;Lk. 22:70;Jn. 10:30 - Jesus claims to be the Son of God.
Ex. 3:14 - In the Old Testament, God reveals His name as “I AM who AM”.
Jn. 8:24,58 - In the New Testament, Jesus says of Himself, “Before Abraham was, I AM”.
Jn 14:7,8:54 - If you know Jesus you know His Father who is God. There are too many here. See this link: credobiblestudy.com/search/en/my%20Father/7
Mt. 2:2,11;8:2;14:33;28:9;28:17;Lk. 24:52;Jn. 9:38 – Jesus allows Jews to worship Him. Only God can be worshipped.
Mt. 9:2;Mk. 2:5;Lk. 5:20;7:48 – Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.
Mt. 4:7;Lk. 4:12 – Jesus tells Satan, “you shall not tempt the Lord your God” in reference to Himself.
Mt. 12:8;Mk. 2:28;Lk. 6:5 - Jesus says that He is “Lord of the Sabbath.” He is the Lawgiver. He is God.
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perhaps I stated this wrong - try this - did Jesus have memory of His existence before He was born? Did He remember and have knowledge of “being” for eternity with His Father? I know He knew He was the son of God but that doesn’t mean He had the knowledge of “being” before His birthThe son of a lion is a lion, the son of duck is a duck. The son of the one true God is God. We get our nature from our parents. Part of the nature of God is being One.
Mt. 26:63-64;Mk. 14:61-62;Lk. 22:70;Jn. 10:30 - Jesus claims to be the Son of God.
Ex. 3:14 - In the Old Testament, God reveals His name as “I AM who AM”.
Jn. 8:24,58 - In the New Testament, Jesus says of Himself, “Before Abraham was, I AM”.
Jn 14:7,8:54 - If you know Jesus you know His Father who is God. There are too many here. See this link: credobiblestudy.com/search/en/my%20Father/7
Mt. 2:2,11;8:2;14:33;28:9;28:17;Lk. 24:52;Jn. 9:38 – Jesus allows Jews to worship Him. Only God can be worshipped.
Mt. 9:2;Mk. 2:5;Lk. 5:20;7:48 – Jesus forgives sins. Only God can forgive sins.
Mt. 4:7;Lk. 4:12 – Jesus tells Satan, “you shall not tempt the Lord your God” in reference to Himself.
Mt. 12:8;Mk. 2:28;Lk. 6:5 - Jesus says that He is “Lord of the Sabbath.” He is the Lawgiver. He is God.
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irenaeuslyons
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The knowledge before his birth was the quote of “Before Abraham was, I AM”. Read the verses that preceded that statement. He had first hand knowledge of Abraham because Jesus was the Word of the Lord given to Abraham through angels. When the Pharisees say He is only 50 years old and could not have known Abe, Jesus sets them straight.perhaps I stated this wrong - try this - did Jesus have memory of His existence before He was born? Did He remember and have knowledge of “being” for eternity with His Father? I know He knew He was the son of God but that doesn’t mean He had the knowledge of “being” before His birth
Jesus also says he saw Satan fall from the sky. Lk 10:18
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oppositeman
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offhand I don’t know where these verses are about Abraham - but putting that aside - then am I correct in saying this ---- that Jesus went to the Cross knowing He would be resurrected and did not go to the Cross with just faith and trust in His Father that He would be resurrected?The knowledge before his birth was the quote of “Before Abraham was, I AM”. Read the verses that preceded that statement. He had first hand knowledge of Abraham because Jesus was the Word of the Lord given to Abraham through angels. When the Pharisees say He is only 50 years old and could not have known Abe, Jesus sets them straight.
Jesus also says he saw Satan fall from the sky. Lk 10:18
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irenaeuslyons
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I was referencing my first post with the verses on Abraham:offhand I don’t know where these verses are about Abraham - but putting that aside - then am I correct in saying this ---- that Jesus went to the Cross knowing He would be resurrected and did not go to the Cross with just faith and trust in His Father that He would be resurrected?
Ex. 3:14 - In the Old Testament, God reveals His name as “I AM who AM”.
Jn. 8:24,58 - In the New Testament, Jesus says of Himself, “Before Abraham was, I AM”.
Jesus knew he would be resurrected. He was the one who said He would be raised up on the third day. Faith is like joyful hope in the things you cant see. The perfect faith that Christ had is not like our imperfect faith, His was an infinite knowledge of these things we cant see. He is the Truth(Knowledge) and the Light(illuminates things unseen).
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oppositeman
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it seems to me, for what you are saying, that Jesus had knowledge - He knew He existed and would exist for eternity - so it seems to me that Jesus lived His life not needing faith because He had the knowledge of His eternal divine existence and made faith and trust irrelevantI was referencing my first post with the verses on Abraham:
Ex. 3:14 - In the Old Testament, God reveals His name as “I AM who AM”.
Jn. 8:24,58 - In the New Testament, Jesus says of Himself, “Before Abraham was, I AM”.
Jesus knew he would be resurrected. He was the one who said He would be raised up on the third day. Faith is like joyful hope in the things you cant see. The perfect faith that Christ had is not like our imperfect faith, His was an infinite knowledge of these things we cant see. He is the Truth(Knowledge) and the Light(illuminates things unseen).
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ericc
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Luke 10:18 I saw Satan fall like lightning from the skyperhaps I stated this wrong - try this - did Jesus have memory of His existence before He was born? Did He remember and have knowledge of “being” for eternity with His Father? I know He knew He was the son of God but that doesn’t mean He had the knowledge of “being” before His birth
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“I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30)
Jesus knew that He was of the same essence, nature, divinity of God the Father. He even said He was God when He said: I AM, at other places in Scripture. God bless you.
Jesus knew that He was of the same essence, nature, divinity of God the Father. He even said He was God when He said: I AM, at other places in Scripture. God bless you.
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oppositeman
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yes, I understand what you are saying - if you understand that “I AM” means Jesus knew of His eternal existence with His Father ie. memory of it“I and the Father are one.” (John 10:30)
Jesus knew that He was of the same essence, nature, divinity of God the Father. He even said He was God when He said: I AM, at other places in Scripture. God bless you.
So, if this is true - then Jesus did not live by faith that He would be resurrected - but He knew it since He had knowledge of His eternal existence.
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Yes, Jesus knew (and knows) everything, and so He never had to live by faith, though He is always faithful. God bless you.yes, I understand what you are saying - if you understand that “I AM” means Jesus knew of His eternal existence with His Father ie. memory of it
So, if this is true - then Jesus did not live by faith that He would be resurrected - but He knew it since He had knowledge of His eternal existence.
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oppositeman
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thanks for your help!Yes, Jesus knew (and knows) everything, and so He never had to live by faith, though He is always faithful. God bless you.
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You are most welcome, Oppositeman!thanks for your help!
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