Did Jesus pre-condemened some to hell?

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Luke 13:24
Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.

Matthew 13:41-42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Did Jesus know from the beggining that some would not be saved? Then why did he make their souls in first place? Wasn’t it predestination? If he knew that some won’t enter, then he is half-guilty for making their souls? Thank you
 
Prepare to have fun with your brain!
God exists outside of time, yet expresses influence within time AND in a way we can perceive, since we are half animal half spiritual.
Let’s break this down.
-God exists outside of time. This being said, time is essentially irrelevant. A second is a minute is a year is a millenia is a time scale of universal creation and destruction. So, essentially three “spheres” exist.
—Pre-Creation of light
—Creation and Destruction (remember, no time, so Adam being made and the heat-death of the universe occur simultaneously to Him)
—Final Judgement day and pure eternity.
Also, since God existed before ALL of these, He knew the exact events of each sphere.

Alright, here comes the fun bit.
Adam is created, Adam and Eve sin, Jesus dies for our sins, we are baptized and buried at the same instant. He knew that these creations would sin, so Jesus is sent, and he saw the formation of you, and me, and our falls from grace and our return(s) to Him.

Therefore, it’s not that it is “pre-determined”, rather, He knows. That’s it! We have free-will, so He doesn’t choose our final destination, we choose it, and He either sighs at a loss or cries for joy. Rinse and repeat for billions of people.

And because we have choice, and He has the entire scope of time in His hands BUT only the power to influence/force it up to but not included our own actions, pre-destination cannot exist.

Let that cook your noodle for a bit 😉

**O all you who walk by on the road, pay attention and see:
if there be any sorrow like my sorrow.

Pay attention, all people, and look at my sorrow:
if there be any sorrow like my sorrow.**
 
devonsams said:
Luke 13:24
Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.

Matthew 13:41-42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Did Jesus know from the beggining that some would not be saved? Then why did he make their souls in first place? Wasn’t it predestination? If he knew that some won’t enter, then he is half-guilty for making their souls? Thank you
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God is not half guilty or 1% guilty for our choices. He gave us life and without him we have no life. He created us with pure freedom. Freedom to choose. And even when we chose poorly he created a way for us to accept his gracious gift to join with him after death.

God knows everyone’s choices. He did not create though with the mindset of this one to hell, this one to heaven.
 
Michael57 said:
Excellent article! 👍
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I’ve read this article before and am not really happy with it. The fact is that the Catholic Church does agree with the Romans 9 passage insofar as it states that God has predestined certain people to heaven, and certain people to hell; these are the mysteries of Predestination and Reprobation, and both of them are part of the deposit of faith, as far as their existence goes. The article emphasized free will too much and failed to address the doctrines of predestination itself. And it’s also a fact that to a certain degree, Catholics can agree with Calvinists on this question.

The Catholic stance, however, is the most reasoned, as it upholds God’s sovereignty his universal desire for salvation, and man’s free will. It is not permitted for a Catholic to deny predestination, reprobation or man’s free will. All the schools of thought the Catholic Church has permitted always accounts for God’s sovereignty, the fact that he desires all men to be saved, and the securing of the infallible decrees of predestination, and the fact that the predestined and the reprobate earn their destinies with their free will. It is also not permitted for Catholics to hold that God created certain men to damnation without even considering their foreseen demerits.
 
devonsams said:
Luke 13:24
Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.

Matthew 13:41-42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Did Jesus know from the beggining that some would not be saved? Then why did he make their souls in first place? Wasn’t it predestination? If he knew that some won’t enter, then he is half-guilty for making their souls? Thank you
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Free Will: reasonablefaith.org/free-will
 
devonsams said:
Luke 13:24
Make every effort to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to.

Matthew 13:41-42
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Did Jesus know from the beggining that some would not be saved? Then why did he make their souls in first place? Wasn’t it predestination? If he knew that some won’t enter, then he is half-guilty for making their souls? Thank you
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NO!

The Church teaching:

CCC 1037 God predestines no one to go to hell; for this, a willful turning away from God (a mortal sin) is necessary, and persistence in it until the end. In the Eucharistic liturgy and in the daily prayers of her faithful, the Church implores the mercy of God, who does not want “any to perish, but all to come to repentance”
 
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