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Sophie
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Did Jesus, in the New Testament, quote from the Apocrypha in the Old Testament? If so, where exactly can this be found in scripture? Thanks. I’d appreciate whatever help anyone can give me.
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Apologia100
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Jesus never quoted from the Apocrypha, although He did quote from the Deuterocanon.
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j_arden
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By “apocrypha” do you mean the deuterocanonicals? If so, I don’t think he did. However, he quoted the Septuagint, which included the deuts. St. Paul referenced something that can truly be said to be apocryphal when he mentioned Satan and Michael (I think it was Michael) fighting over the body of Moses. Since “apocryphal” loosely means “hidden,” and we don’t know what Paul’s source was (it wasn’t the Bible), “apocryphal” is an apt description. I think this supports the validity of Tradition–or at least that Paul accepted some Traditions, since he cites this tradition as true.- JP
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j_arden
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Scott - Which quotation(s) are you refering to?
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Apologia100
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I was referring to your analysis above that Jesus made full use of Scripture, including the Septuagint.
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kepha1
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Matt. 6:19-20 - Jesus’ statement about laying up for yourselves treasure in heaven follows Sirach 29:11 - lay up your treasure.
Matt… 7:12 - Jesus’ golden rule “do unto others” is the converse of Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.
Matt. 7:16,20 - Jesus’ statement “you will know them by their fruits” follows Sirach 27:6 - the fruit discloses the cultivation.
Matt. 9:36 - the people were “like sheep without a shepherd” is same as Judith 11:19 - sheep without a shepherd.
Matt. 11:25 - Jesus’ description “Lord of heaven and earth” is the same as Tobit 7:18 - Lord of heaven and earth.
Matt. 12:42 - Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.
Matt. 16:18 - Jesus’ reference to the “power of death” and “gates of Hades” references Wisdom 16:13.
Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 - Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.
Matt. 24:15 - the “desolating sacrilege” Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.
Matt. 24:16 - let those “flee to the mountains” is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.
Matt. 27:43 - if He is God’s Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.
Mark 4:5,16-17 - Jesus’ description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.
Mark 9:48 - description of hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched references Judith 16:17.
scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html
Matt… 7:12 - Jesus’ golden rule “do unto others” is the converse of Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.
Matt. 7:16,20 - Jesus’ statement “you will know them by their fruits” follows Sirach 27:6 - the fruit discloses the cultivation.
Matt. 9:36 - the people were “like sheep without a shepherd” is same as Judith 11:19 - sheep without a shepherd.
Matt. 11:25 - Jesus’ description “Lord of heaven and earth” is the same as Tobit 7:18 - Lord of heaven and earth.
Matt. 12:42 - Jesus refers to the wisdom of Solomon which was recorded and made part of the deuterocanonical books.
Matt. 16:18 - Jesus’ reference to the “power of death” and “gates of Hades” references Wisdom 16:13.
Matt. 22:25; Mark 12:20; Luke 20:29 - Gospel writers refer to the canonicity of Tobit 3:8 and 7:11 regarding the seven brothers.
Matt. 24:15 - the “desolating sacrilege” Jesus refers to is also taken from 1 Macc. 1:54 and 2 Macc. 8:17.
Matt. 24:16 - let those “flee to the mountains” is taken from 1 Macc. 2:28.
Matt. 27:43 - if He is God’s Son, let God deliver him from His adversaries follows Wisdom 2:18.
Mark 4:5,16-17 - Jesus’ description of seeds falling on rocky ground and having no root follows Sirach 40:15.
Mark 9:48 - description of hell where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched references Judith 16:17.
scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html
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wisdom_3_5
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wisdom_3_5
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kepha1 you beat me!!!
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Apologia100
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:clapping: kepha, you get a gold star! Bravo!!! :clapping:
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Newvert
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Here are also some references (not quotes mind you and not necessarily from Christ), provided by Jimmy Akin.
cin.org/users/james/files/deutero3.htm
cin.org/users/james/files/deutero3.htm
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sweetchuck
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WOW! :clapping: I always kind of thought it silly the notion that Jesus wouldn’t have quoted the deuterocanonical books since Jews in the area where Jesus preached wouldn’t have used those books at the time. I think the “Word made flesh” would probably know the Word of God backwards and forwards.
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DianJo
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Jesus did quote the deutrocanonicals. The Jews had those scrolls and had the Septuagent. The Septuagent was widely used in the synagogues and was used after Jesus died and was eventually adopted as our scripture as well.
The Jewish canon was decided in 90 AD where the deutrocanonical books were left out of their canon because they were trying to take out the references to Jesus as the Messiah.
The Jewish canon was decided in 90 AD where the deutrocanonical books were left out of their canon because they were trying to take out the references to Jesus as the Messiah.
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excatholic
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Deuterocanon or Apocrypha: you say tomato I say tomato: They are the same and Jesus never quoted from either of them. However a spin could be put on anything.
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OhioBob
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Actually, from what I’ve read of your posts, it is more like we say tomato, you say watermelon.
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Vincent
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Perhaps you can spin this:
“Of Old Testament books quoted in the New Testament, it is generally agreed that Ruth, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Songs are not explicitly cited” (The NIV: The Making of a Contemporary Translation, Chapter 10).
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Tom
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Really? Well where in the OT do you find the teachings of our Lord Jesus the Christ on marriage? The two become one, an everlasting covenant? Certainly not Deuteronomy. Try Tobit, the only place I’ve found His teaching on marriage. by the way there is a huge difference between the apocrapha and the Deuterocanon.
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Styree
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My friend and I have done some rough-and-ready apologetics, if you email me, I can forward some “pretty darn near” quotes that show the New Testament writers were accessing the Dueterocanonical books, if you like.
In His Mercy,
Sam
In His Mercy,
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excatholic
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Friend people in glass house should not throw stones. The RCC is famous for twisting and even adding to the canonized Word of God. Pick a topic if you wish to debate it, How about celibacy, auricle confession, and idols in the sanctuary, purgatory, need I go on. Pick one and get back to me privately or posted.Actually, from what I’ve read of your posts, it is more like we say tomato, you say watermelon.
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PioMagnus
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Yeah! Those Idols in worship spaces HAVE to go. Nevermind the commands of God in the OT to adorn the Holy of Holies with “idols”, and to adorn the temple with “idols” or wait—could it be? Maybe they aren’t idols. Maybe they are images that raise our thoughts to God. Maybe they are tools to help us on our path to holiness!
No…no. That couldn’t be it.
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No…no. That couldn’t be it.
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sweetchuck
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You strike me as not having an agreeable bone in your body. Why can’t you at least see the connection in the verses cited. You seem to be blinded by your desire to see the Catholic Church wrong in every single fashion. Yet there is hope for you: You are here.
Pray and the truth of Christ’s most chaste and pure bride (the Catholic Church) shall be revealed to you.- Status