Did Jesus quote from the Apocrypha?

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sweetchuck:
You strike me as not having an agreeable bone in your body. Why can’t you at least see the connection in the verses cited. You seem to be blinded by your desire to see the Catholic Church wrong in every single fashion. Yet there is hope for you: You are here. 👍 Pray and the truth of Christ’s most chaste and pure bride (the Catholic Church) shall be revealed to you.
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I thought this was apologetics, maybe I have the wrong site sorry.
 
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excatholic:
Deuterocanon or Apocrypha: you say tomato I say tomato: They are the same and Jesus never quoted from either of them. However a spin could be put on anything.
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You should know a lot about spin. Reading your posts makes me dizzy! :whacky:
 
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PioMagnus:
Yeah! Those Idols in worship spaces HAVE to go. Nevermind the commands of God in the OT to adorn the Holy of Holies with “idols”, and to adorn the temple with “idols” or wait—could it be? Maybe they aren’t idols. Maybe they are images that raise our thoughts to God. Maybe they are tools to help us on our path to holiness!

No…no. That couldn’t be it.

-PM
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Are you referring to the Cherubim at either end of the Arc on the Mercy Seat? They were behind the Veil out of sight. Only the High priest could see them. Those two Cherubim were in the rich mans tomb where the body of Jesus was laid, one at the head and one at the feet. There were no statues of Mary or Jesus in the Holy of Holies. The two Cherubim were at the head and feet of Jesus to guard the New Covenant just like the two were on either end of the Arc to guard the Old Covenant. They unlike Idols served a purpose.
 
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WBB:
You should know a lot about spin. Reading your posts makes me dizzy! :whacky:
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Show me where the spin was friend. Any topic lets talk.
 
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Vincent:
Perhaps you can spin this:

“Of Old Testament books quoted in the New Testament, it is generally agreed that Ruth, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, and Song of Songs are not explicitly cited” (The NIV: The Making of a Contemporary Translation, Chapter 10).
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I didn’t say Jesus quoted from the entire O.T. I said he did not quote from the Apocrypha and he didn’t
 
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Styree:
My friend and I have done some rough-and-ready apologetics, if you email me, I can forward some “pretty darn near” quotes that show the New Testament writers were accessing the Dueterocanonical books, if you like.

In His Mercy,
Sam
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Thanks for the offer Sam but I think “pretty darn near” as you stated is how we got in to this 2000 year old mess.
 
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excatholic:
Thanks for the offer Sam but I think “pretty darn near” as you stated is how we got in to this 2000 year old mess.
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Uh no the protestant mes hass lonly existed for 500 years. And we didn’t creat it. THe church is the antidote for 30,000 competing denominations with different truth.
A third of the OT is not quoted by the NT so I don’t see this as relevant as you are making this out to be. There are many books of the OT that are not even alluded to by the NT something most of the duetros can prove as being directly alluded to. Many protestant scholar will readily admit that Paul is referencing Wisom and Hebrews is refering to 2 Maccabees. etc
The big question is ultimately authority and if your catholic the same councils that determined the NT canon determined the OT canon if your catholic somehow the councils got it right in the NT but got it wrong in the OT canon. Thus the councils were not infalliable but magically they got it right one time and wrong the other. The canon becomes up for grabs at that point. Considering the canon is the only authority a protestant has the possibility of the canon being wrong should worry you. It makes no sense that the church tradition was right on the NT canon and wrogn on the OT canon . Neither canon fell out of the sky nor was set in stone both are tied to the ecclesial tradition of the one holy catholic church.
 
According to Protestants, Jesus quoted from 24 of their Old Testament books.

If Jesus “not quoting” from a book in the Old Testament constitues rejection of the said book as not being inspired, does that mean the other 15 books of their bible are not inspired too?:hmmm:

Of course not. It means fundamentalists have rejected the very process for proving inspiration, and out of pure man-made tradition, have taken it upon themselves to revise the very process that gave them the New Testament! (This excludes the more scholarly Protestants, who are converting in droves)

Did the Bible fall out of the sky?

It has been clearly demonstrated that Jesus quoted from the deuterocanonical/apocryphal books. I don’t think it’s a question of refusing to see, it’s a question of blindness or invincible ignorance.

kepha1
 
I didn’t say Jesus quoted from the entire O.T. I said he did not quote from the Apocrypha and he didn’t
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Yes He did.

(an unqualified reply merits an unqualified rebuttal, one is as useless as the other.)
 
Hebrews 11 encourages us to emulate the heroes of the Old Testament and in the Old Testament “Women received their dead by resurrection. Some were tortured, refusing to accept release, that they might rise again to a better life” (Heb. 11:35).

There are a couple of examples of women receiving back their dead by resurrection in the Protestant Old Testament. You can find Elijah raising the son of the widow of Zarepheth in 1 Kings 17, and you can find his successor Elisha raising the son of the Shunammite woman in 2 Kings 4, but one thing you can never find – anywhere in the Protestant Old Testament, from front to back, from Genesis to Malachi – is someone being tortured and refusing to accept release for the sake of a better resurrection. If you want to find that, you have to look in the Catholic Old Testament – in the deuterocanonical books Martin Luther cut out of his Bible.(2 Macc. 7:1, 5-9).
cin.org/users/james/files/deuteros.htm

Truth is not always agreeable.
 
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excatholic:
Friend people in glass house should not throw stones. The RCC is famous for twisting and even adding to the canonized Word of God. Pick a topic if you wish to debate it, How about celibacy, auricle confession, and idols in the sanctuary, purgatory, need I go on. Pick one and get back to me privately or posted.
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You are either an ostrich, or possess a set of brass cajones. You obstinance is utterly amazing. If you want “debate” these issues, start a thread on any one of these topics outlining your premise, complete with Scriptural references and citations from the early Christian writers, and either I or any number of the Catholics on this Forum will be more than happy to bury you with the truth. However, I am convinced that you are only here to cause disharmony and strife, as you have no disposition to explore the truth, for as Solomon says, “A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.” (Proverbs 18:2)

Have a nice day. 🙂
 
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excatholic:
I didn’t say Jesus quoted from the entire O.T. I said he did not quote from the Apocrypha and he didn’t
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You are absolutely correct in this statement, Jesus never quoted from the Apocrypha. But as my friend kepha1 already posted, Jesus made multiple references to the Deuterocanonical texts.
 
Thank you, thank you, thank you all so much for your information!!! The reason I posted my question is because a Mormon friend is, of course, trying to tell me these books should not be included in the bible. I had heard, at one time, that Christ quoted from these books, but never knew exactly where. Thanks ever so much for taking the time to post some great examples!!! You are a tremendous help!!! God bless!
 
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