Did Jesus re-visit John after his wilderness experience?

[Cyberseeker]

The Gospel of John describes a scene where John the Baptist saw Jesus coming toward him and he made the following statement:

“Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! This is the one I meant when I said, ‘A man who comes after me has surpassed me because he was before me.’ I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.” **Then John gave this testimony: **“I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. And I myself did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one.” (John 1:29-34)

At first sight, it seems the writer was describing the actual baptism itself, as per Matthew’s account. However, the next few days finds Jesus choosing his disciples – not going into the wilderness, as the Synoptics relate it. So, is this scene a ‘revisit’ so to speak? Is it Jesus coming out of the wilderness, walking past John, at about Passover season, some months following his actual baptism?

If so, then the Gospel of John is not recording the baptism event directly, but is recording John B’s testimony of that event. In other words, John B. sees Jesus returning, and calls out, “This is the man I baptised several months ago! This is the man the dove descended upon!”

So, is the Gospel of John recording the actual baptism event, or is he recording an occasion when Jesus revisited the same place on his way back from the wilderness? The latter explanation may reconcile some of the perceived differences between John and the Synoptic Gospels. Just seeing what others think. :idea:

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

The Gospel of John describes a scene where John the Baptist saw Jesus coming toward him and he made the following statement:

At first sight, it seems the writer was describing the actual baptism itself, as per Matthew’s account. However, the next few days finds Jesus choosing his disciples – not going into the wilderness, as the Synoptics relate it. So, is this scene a ‘revisit’ so to speak? Is it Jesus coming out of the wilderness, walking past John, at about Passover season, some months following his actual baptism?

If so, then the Gospel of John is not recording the baptism event directly, but is recording John B’s testimony of that event. In other words, John B. sees Jesus returning, and calls out, “This is the man I baptised several months ago! This is the man the dove descended upon!”

So, is the Gospel of John recording the actual baptism event, or is he recording an occasion when Jesus revisited the same place on his way back from the wilderness? The latter explanation may reconcile some of the perceived differences between John and the Synoptic Gospels. Just seeing what others think. :idea:

I usually saw it as at least a month after.

 

[jcrichton]

The Gospel of John describes a scene where John the Baptist saw Jesus coming toward him and he made the following statement:

At first sight, it seems the writer was describing the actual baptism itself, as per Matthew’s account. However, the next few days finds Jesus choosing his disciples – not going into the wilderness, as the Synoptics relate it. So, is this scene a ‘revisit’ so to speak? Is it Jesus coming out of the wilderness, walking past John, at about Passover season, some months following his actual baptism?

If so, then the Gospel of John is not recording the baptism event directly, but is recording John B’s testimony of that event. In other words, John B. sees Jesus returning, and calls out, “This is the man I baptised several months ago! This is the man the dove descended upon!”

So, is the Gospel of John recording the actual baptism event, or is he recording an occasion when Jesus revisited the same place on his way back from the wilderness? The latter explanation may reconcile some of the perceived differences between John and the Synoptic Gospels. Just seeing what others think. :idea:

Hi!
…I think that because the Gospels offer differences in *Jesus’ biography *we (including myself a pedestrian, novices, and scholars) tend to view these differences as error or flaws… however in this case text is proof:

31 I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.” (St. John 1:31)

John is introducing Jesus to Israel, unless it was a practice to make several first time introductions as though they were the same event (as in the movie Fifty first-dates) we must agree that John is actually introducing Christ this one time and he includes the fact of his unfamiliarity with the Man (perhaps to silence any naysayer who might call into account that they were related).

So chronologically: a) John the Baptist, as the Messiah’s precursor, is sent forth preaching about the Coming of the Kingdom of God, and Baptizing for the forgiveness of sin; b) Jesus is introduced by John the Baptist; c) Jesus is Baptized; d) Jesus is lead by the Holy Spirit into the wilderness (St. Matthew 3:1-17; 4:1-17–St. John 1:29-34 happened immediately before the Baptism and Jesus’ forty-day wilderness trek since Jesus’ Public Life had not began).

Though the disparities are there, I believe that it is mostly due to narrative rather then chronology–that is to say, that the events are mixed due to narrative (the next day… the next day…) but it follows that Jesus Public Life would have began after John’s introduction of the Messiah to Israel. Further, John the Baptist’s Ministry and Jesus’ were separate as John (as he himself states it) had to diminish as Jesus’ Public Ministry would take precedence.

Maran atha!

Angel