Did Jesus Really Son of God/God or The Prophet

[planten]

Originally Posted by tomshaikh
Dear Fellow Christian and Muslim Brothers and Sisters, As-Salaam-O-Alikum! May Peace and Blessing with you all.

My Question is on Christianity. If Jesus is Son of God or God. Did he told about judgement day when exactly it will happened

** I read in the bible NT that Jesus denied knowing about the judgement day. I hope some one may have mentioned it earlier. Jesus being a god did not know about the last day. Jesus said that no one knows about the last day except the Father. ???**

 

[inJESUS]

** I read in the bible NT that Jesus denied knowing about the judgement day. I hope some one may have mentioned it earlier. Jesus being a god did not know about the last day. Jesus said that no one knows about the last day except the Father. ???**

you read it here:

Mark 13: 32 But of that day or hour no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father.

Ever wondered why we never “deleted” this verse, since we’re a bunch of corrupters? this passage is not about Jesus “not knowing = He is not God” since Jesus identifies Himself as the Lord of the house a few verses later in the same chapter:

13: 35 Watch ye therefore for you know not when the lord of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cock crowing, or in the morning.

The meaning is simple : we should not know, and no one will tell us about the exact time, not even Jesus will tell us, even though He is the One coming.

“then hear from heaven, your dwelling place. Forgive and act; deal with each man according to all he does, since you know his heart (**for you alone know the hearts of all men),” **1 Kings 8:39

“I the LORD search the heart and examine the mind, to reward a man according to his conduct, according to what his deeds deserve.” Jeremiah 17:20

To the angel of the church in Thyatira write: These are the words of the Son of God, whose eyes are like blazing fire and whose feet are like burnished bronze…. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds." Revelation 2:18, 23

 

[tomshaikh]

** I read in the bible NT that Jesus denied knowing about the judgement day. I hope some one may have mentioned it earlier. Jesus being a god did not know about the last day. Jesus said that no one knows about the last day except the Father. ???**

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But there is so many verses like" if you see me you see my father." So its mean if father knows i will definitely know. Well long story short he is Prophet(Rasul) and Messenger (Nabi) thats all i wanna say. And this paragraph is for all who post here not for you planten and my answer is in this paragraph for all who posted here.There are three person with one divine quality what you gonna say about that guyz. And other thing is not coming to my mind now like other example for unity between God and Jesus.
Well than he is not son of God if he didnot know about last days when it will come. He is same like other prophets and messenger which all send on there people or nation without the knowledge of when judgement day will come. I hope all christians think with wisdom. Well i am afraid that i called Allah/God father and jesus son of god like lots of time. And i think from my religion point i should not have to come words like this in my tongue. May Allah forgive me. Ameen. But plz do think its a good issue which i point out to all of you from my first post. May Peace and Blessing with you All. Amin

 

[justinthemartyr]

Thank God Jesus is God, and created everything.

Thank God Jesus was preannounced over 1000 years before His coming to this earth, so that the entire world awaited Him.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with god and the Word was God…

The brains behind the islamic faith was not preannounced, nor was he a prophet, king, messenger or otherwise. he just popped up one day and made some claims and some people followed him. It seems that the chaos that has ensued tells the rest of the story concerning him

 

[tomshaikh]

The brains behind the islamic faith was not preannounced, nor was he a prophet, king, messenger or otherwise. he just popped up one day and made some claims and some people followed him.

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Well her mother Mary(Marrium) received his son (Jesus) birth news by Angel Gabriel(Jibreel).

 

[Reuben_J]

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Well her mother Mary(Marrium) received his son (Jesus) birth news by Angel Gabriel(Jibreel).

Don’t kid yourself man. He was not the same Gabriel who appeared before Mary. He masquaraded as Gabriel and possessed your beloved prophet. He told lies so that he could bring down those he could cheat together with him in hell. Shouldn’t believe what he said; it only brings trouble. Look at the problems today that are caused by him.

 

[planten]

Don’t kid yourself man. He was not the same Gabriel who appeared before Mary. He masquaraded as Gabriel and possessed your beloved prophet. He told lies so that he could bring down those he could cheat together with him in hell. Shouldn’t believe what he said; it only brings trouble. Look at the problems today that are caused by him.

**That was the angel who had appeared to Many before too. So he must have been cheating all of them. An angel appeared to Joseph and told him not to discard Mary. So that was also false? An angel appeared to elizabeth. So that was also false. A cheater and a lyer (lier)…
Please note that if you do not believe in the gabriel angel appearing to Muhammad, we will not believe your false stories about any angel in the bible. I would like to know why angels are mentioned in the bible at all.

I know there is no truth in christianity. The Muslims believe in One God and all His angels. All angels. Muslims believe in all his books, even the mishandled books with the church. Muslims believe in all he messengers / prophets of God. The church theory can never reach the good holy friendly justified level of universal Islamic teachings.**

 

[Jimdandy]

Originally Posted by planten View Post
I read in the bible NT that Jesus denied knowing about the judgement day. I hope some one may have mentioned it earlier. Jesus being a god did not know about the last day. Jesus said that no one knows about the last day except the Father. ???

Jesus was speaking in this instance as a human-As God, He does know when the end of the world will come.
Where ever there is One of the Trinity, there are all Three- the only exception is in the hypostatic union of Jesus-only the human body of Jesus died.

The Word became flesh because we are sensual people-love for us is why God became human. We needed to see God.

It is impossible to completely understand this with our un-glorified minds.

God is the Father of all religions-I find it very depressing that people expressing themselves as religious to be arguing is such a manner that it is insulting to others who have a different faith.

When you stand before God, He will ask- How much did you love? NOT how well did you argue your personal beliefs.

 

[justinthemartyr]

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Well her mother Mary(Marrium) received his son (Jesus) birth news by Angel Gabriel(Jibreel).

what does this have to do with what i said?

Muhammed was just a man who popped up and claimed things, he was never preannounced.

Jesus, entire life, death and resurrection was preannounced over 1000 years before His birth and the world awaited the saviour, immanuel, God with us.

 

[wisdomseeker]

** I read in the bible NT that Jesus denied knowing about the judgement day. I hope some one may have mentioned it earlier. Jesus being a god did not know about the last day. Jesus said that no one knows about the last day except the Father. ???**

Jesus was answering in a polite way a question of nozy people. one thing He never mention thouhg was that a prophet would be sent to muslims. humnmmmmmmmmm!

 

[Reuben_J]

**That was the angel who had appeared to Many before too. So he must have been cheating all of them. An angel appeared to Joseph and told him not to discard Mary. So that was also false? An angel appeared to elizabeth. So that was also false. A cheater and a lyer (lier)…
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Oh, not really. That was the real Gabriel.

Your Gabriel was not. Why? Because he brought a different Gospel that contradicted the earlier revelations. We are warned about this kind - who could be angels too, you know.

Yes, he is a great lier (!) and the accuser of the brethrens. He lies and accuses us of what we are not. Get the idea?

 

[The_GreyPilgrim]

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But there is so many verses like" if you see me you see my father." So its mean if father knows i will definitely know. Well long story short he is Prophet(Rasul) and Messenger (Nabi) thats all i wanna say. And this paragraph is for all who post here not for you planten and my answer is in this paragraph for all who posted here.There are three person with one divine quality what you gonna say about that guyz. And other thing is not coming to my mind now like other example for unity between God and Jesus.
Well than he is not son of God if he didnot know about last days when it will come. He is same like other prophets and messenger which all send on there people or nation without the knowledge of when judgement day will come. I hope all christians think with wisdom. Well i am afraid that i called Allah/God father and jesus son of god like lots of time. And i think from my religion point i should not have to come words like this in my tongue. May Allah forgive me. Ameen. But plz do think its a good issue which i point out to all of you from my first post. May Peace and Blessing with you All. Amin

Philippians 2
[5] Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus,
[6] who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,
[7] but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men.
[8] And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.
[9] Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name,
[10] that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
[11] and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[justinthemartyr]

There is one Lord, and that Lord is God.

“who am I that the Mother of my Lord should come unto me”

• Elisabeth

Now in what way is Jesus Elisabeth’s LORD while still in the womb of Mary?

In that He is God almighty who took upon Himself flesh. Fully God/fully man.

 

[planten]

Thank God Jesus is God, and created everything.

Thank God Jesus was preannounced over 1000 years before His coming to this earth, so that the entire world awaited Him.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with god and the Word was God…

The brains behind the islamic faith was not preannounced, nor was he a prophet, king, messenger or otherwise. he just popped up one day and made some claims and some people followed him. It seems that the chaos that has ensued tells the rest of the story concerning him

** Muhammad is only a man and a messenger of Allah. He used to recieve messages from Allah and he got them written down.

Now if you believe in any messenger of God then you should believe in Muhammad too. Or you reject all the prophets / messengers of god. That is the only sensible way for all people. What do you say please?

You admit that Jesus was a prophet of God. he used to get messages from his God. He said that he did not speak from himself but he spoke what was told to him to speak from father.

There were so many other messengers of God in the world. Do you believe in any of them?. If so then which ones do you believe that they were the prophets / messengers of God?? Please tell.**

 

[cascherman]

** Muhammad is only a man and a messenger of Allah. He used to recieve messages from Allah and he got them written down.

Now if you believe in any messenger of God then you should believe in Muhammad too.**

Why do you believe Muhammad was actually telling the truth about what he said? He could, conceivably, be totally making it all up, right?

The problem with the Muhammad/Joseph Smith style revelation is it puts all the trust in that one persons sanity. Jesus had at all times, at least 3 of his apostles witnessing his various miracles and revelations, most of the time he had all 12 with a crowd. Muhammad revelation was entirely up to himself with no witnesses, so he could manufacture it without fear of someone claiming what he says is false.

So I don’t believe this to be true:

Now if you believe in any messenger of God then you should believe in Muhammad too.

He just doesn’t have the corroboration that Jesus has. Not to mention he wasn’t a Jew, and the fulfillment that Islam claims of Judaism was destined to come from with Judaism itself.

 

[ssg_B]

Hello Everyone Again, I guess no body has the answer or verses from bible explaining who is he really was. I have verses from The Last Book i.e, The Quran Kareem which is as follows:

An-Nisa

And because of their saying (in boast), “We killed Messiah 'Īsā (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allâh,” - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but the resemblance of 'Īsā (Jesus) was put over another man (and they killed that man), and those who differ therein are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not *: (157) But Allâh raised him 'Īsā (Jesus)] up (with his body and soul) unto Himself (and he A.S. is in the heavens). And Allâh is Ever All-Powerful, All-Wise. (158)

The Quran: Surah 4, Ayat 157-158 or Chapter 4, Verses 157-158

By this Ayat its mentioning Isa(Jesus) as Messenger or Prophet. Hope i prove by this who Jesus was.

Any comments feel free to answer back.*

 

[ssg_B]

There is a verse in the Quran in the suras of "the Family of Imram ’
Part 3, 55. that reads as follows
“Behold! Allah said: O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee ( of the falsehoods ) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection; then shall ye all return onto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherin ye dispute.”

Does’nt this verse state that, the way to heaven is through Jusus Christ?

God Bless

 

[Jimmy_B]

There is a verse in the Quran in the suras of "the Family of Imram ’
Part 3, 55. that reads as follows
“Behold! Allah said: O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee ( of the falsehoods ) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of Resurrection; then shall ye all return onto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherin ye dispute.”

Does’nt this verse state that, the way to heaven is through Jusus Christ?

God Bless

Hello ssg B,

Welcome to CAF.

I am no expert on the Quran but it does seem to indicate that the way to the Father (God) is through the Son (Jesus). This is an interesting verse from the Quran that you have posted here; maybe one of our Muslim friends here can elaborate.

Peace

 

[tomshaikh]

Answer to ssg B and jimmy B for previous post of them.

What do you think about this verses.

Al-Maeda

And (remember) when Allâh will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Īsā (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: ‘Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allâh?’ " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden (and unseen). (116) "Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allâh) did command me to say: ‘Worship Allâh, my Lord and your Lord.’ And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. (This is a great admonition and warning to the Christians of the whole world). (117)

Al-Quran 5:116-117

 

[abucs]

I don’t know of anyone who will put their hand up and say ‘i worship Maryam’ (or should it be Mary).

So for this event to happen, God (as you see him) is obviously not talking about christians of today is He ?

In fact who is He talking about ?

mistake ???

small sect of Christians in Muhammads time ?

I just don’t see any reason why the Koran is the word of God.
i see plenty of reasons why it’s not.

If i am honest, i have to reject it then, and i do.

Should i be worried about what a book says that i have already rejected ?

That sounds nuts.

There are plenty of those books around including parts of the bible.

Should i worry about a book written 700 years after the incarnation of the Christ in another part of the world by non Jewish sources and without any witnesses about what Jesus is going to say sometime in the future ?

that would be doubly nuts.

there has to be a better arguement than that ?