Did Jesus Really Son of God/God or The Prophet

[planten]

I would say - more specifically - it was because of our sin. He became involved in our sin. This happened on the night before He died, just after the Last Supper.

Consider the scenario; Jesus was really present in that first Eucharist when He said “This is my body”. Then the apostles took Him into their heart - a place of sin - when they ate the Eucharist. Shortly after, His passion started and He started to suffer.

Well, maybe I didn’t word it properly, but it makes sense to me. :twocents:

**You should suffer for your sins, not Jesus. Jesus suffered for his own sins. That is why he died and remained dead for three days and nights. he was in hell too for three days. What a god who goes to hell too.!! That is the church theory. We don’t believe anything that the church is teaching.

We Muslims canbelieve inJesus and Mary in a much better way. Thanks to Allah who taught us better things. **

 

[dolphinlove]

I would say - more specifically - it was because of our sin. He became involved in our sin. This happened on the night before He died, just after the Last Supper.

Consider the scenario; Jesus was really present in that first Eucharist when He said “This is my body”. Then the apostles took Him into their heart - a place of sin - when they ate the Eucharist. Shortly after, His passion started and He started to suffer.

Well, maybe I didn’t word it properly, but it makes sense to me. :twocents:

Basically i was just recapping for certain people about his human side, thats all i was saying, but thanks for elaborating further for me

 

[dolphinlove]

**When Jesus is afraid and crying, you say that he suffered because he was a man. But what about Muhammad? Was he not a man?. So if he was afraid for anything then why do you blame him and forget your Jesus who was mighty afraid of being killed on the cross.

He suffered even before the cross for he prayed whole night to avoid that cup of crucifixion. He was not willing to die on the cross. He was a strange type of god who was asking even his followers to pray for him to be saved from the death on the cross. Did he not request the disciples to keep awake and pray because the time was very difficult. But they went to sleep and did not pray for him in the garden before his arrest.

That is a funny god who is asking his friends to pray for his safety. And he himself prayed so much that sweat was flowing like blood. He was beseeching his God (That is everybody’s One real God) to save him from the humilating curse of death on the cross. Nobody wants to be a cursed persons. But christians have happily accepted that Jesus was indeed cursed.

It is better for any one to go to hell instead of making Jesus a cursed person. Why I am writing all this? It is because the christians here on this forum are criticising Muhammad for his fear on the first visit of the angel. And they (christians) are boldly saying that it was not an angel who visited Muhammad but it was satan.

We know who was visited by the Satan. That was jesus. It is written in the bible that satan took Jesus around on an errand for forty days. We hate to hear even such bad things. A funny God. Even Satan visits him and tempts him. Unbelieveable.

The gist of the present discussion is that nothing good or bad from the christians should be believed because they are themsleves misled and they have lost the real guidance that was given to them by Jesus.**

This just shows your incapable of understanding anything, the way we described things on here is something even a 5 year old would understand with clarity.
I feel sorry for you, you cant expand your mind out of that box you live in.
Oh thats right, i keep forgetting, Muslims cant think for themselves, they are told to do things a certain way and only live by that, its always "cause Mohammed says so’.

But, as it has been shown on here, not all muslims are blind to the truth, look at Angelos, he found his way out of the grip of lies and found the truth in the Catholic church.

I pray to God you will find the same strength that lead Angelos to the truth, i really do!

 

[dolphinlove]

** Please consider the human side of Muhammad too. Loads of time. Jesus was afraid of the punishment on the cross because of his human side. So Muhammad could be afraid of the first visit of a mighty angel of God because of his human nature.

Jesus had nothing to fear. That was only a piece of wood (cross).**

Im sure if you were about to go through what Jesus went through, you too would be quite anxious and wouldnt want to go through with it.
Mohammed was afraid, cause that was no angel of God visiting him!

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

You should suffer for your sins, not Jesus. Jesus suffered for his own sins. That is why he died and remained dead for three days and nights. he was in hell too for three days. What a god who goes to hell too.!! That is the church theory. We don’t believe anything that the church is teaching.

You forgot to mention the part where God took on human nature (became man) and was able to die for us.

I understand that you don’t believe what the church is teaching; But all we ask for is that you listen.

We Muslims canbelieve inJesus and Mary in a much better way. Thanks to Allah who taught us better things.

I’m glad you are willing to believe in Jesus and Mary.

 

[dolphinlove]

**You should suffer for your sins, not Jesus. Jesus suffered for his own sins. That is why he died and remained dead for three days and nights. he was in hell too for three days. What a god who goes to hell too.!! That is the church theory. We don’t believe anything that the church is teaching.

We Muslims canbelieve inJesus and Mary in a much better way. Thanks to Allah who taught us better things. **

Reread what you just read, Jesus died for our sins, now think outside that box of yours, cant you see that is done for love for us?

You muslims are taught to believe in Jesus as a prophet only cause Mohammed wouldnt dare have anyone greater than him. Mohammed is the one that said Jesus was only a mere prophet for his own purposes. Jesus is the son of God, greater and mightier than Mohammed could ever comprehend. Now Mohammed couldnt have this now could he, so he made him a prophet.

Now in saying that, i wonder what sort of an angel would try to hide the truth of what Jesus really is? Well, we know from history there was a Jesus on this earth now, so how can i still have him in the new made up book and hide the truth of who he truly is? Ohhhh now thats a great idea, lets make him a prophet, people will buy that baloney!!!
But as we know:
Matthew 16:18
18 So I now say to you: You are Peter and on this rock I will build my community. And the gates of the underworld can never overpower it.

 

[Verisimilitude]

** Please consider the human side of Muhammad too. Loads of time. Jesus was afraid of the punishment on the cross because of his human side. So Muhammad could be afraid of the first visit of a mighty angel of God because of his human nature.

Jesus had nothing to fear. That was only a piece of wood (cross).**

Jesus did not fear the cross like you are thinking since you do not understand the nature of Jesus. Everything He did was for our benefit and by the power of the Holy Spirit these things were recorded for us so that we can see the example God set.

Think of a firefighter that runs into a burning building to save a child from burning. His fear is not diminished but his character leads him into the flames despite the danger. Christ knew, just as every Jew knew what being crucified was like since it was a common thing in that time. Any human flesh would not willingly suffer such a fate if not for a greater purpose but Christ was willing though His humanity remained.

Christs humanity shows His divinity too. He was tempted by all the same things all men are tempted by, but He lived His life Perfectly. He did not sin at all, ever.

Mohammed had nothing to fear if the spirit was truly from God. I think he had a legitimate fear since it was actually Satan that tossed him about, but to claim it was Gabriel when the spirit never identified itself is false. Mohammed gave in to many tempations of the flesh to include greed, revenge, and lust. Mohammed showed his humanity by crawling under his wife’s skirt asking to be covered after being beat up by Satan. He showed his weakness when he made his adopted son divorce his wife so Mohammed could marry her. He was weak when he listened to his friend suggest the verse for the veil and then claim it was from god later that day.

Maybe you will answer me. Why do you honor a man who is a theif, a murderer, and has sex with children? Why do you call him a perfect man?

 

[LaMar]

Salaam Planten,

I admire you for coming here to converse with people despite the fact that English does not seem to be your native language.

You are correct that al-Qur’an teaches a simpler and more logical philosophy of G-d than the New Testament does.

Jesus dying and going to Hell for three days is an allusion to the sun, which dies on Dec 21, and stays low in the sky for 3 days. About Dec 24, the sun starts rising up again. Dec 25 is the day of the sun’s birth. This is the origin of Christmas. It is astronomy.

G-d reveals himself to different peoples in different ways.

There were heroes born on Dec. 25, who died for three days, and rose again, in stories that were told thousands of years before Jesus.

If the Christians here could explain the trinity, they would do so simply, and without insulting your prophet. It is not your fault that the story can not be explained. It is not their fault either. The story was never intended to make sense. There is a deeper truth behind the story.

The great Muslim philosopher ibn-Sina might have described the trinity in terms of mahiat wa wujud. In trying to understand G-d in the way that the Christians do, you have to leave the specifics behind, and see the underlying thought-essence (?) which unifies the forms of G-d that Christians call “father, son and holy ghost”.

**You should suffer for your sins, not Jesus. Jesus suffered for his own sins. That is why he died and remained dead for three days and nights. he was in hell too for three days. What a god who goes to hell too.!! That is the church theory. We don’t believe anything that the church is teaching.

We Muslims canbelieve inJesus and Mary in a much better way. Thanks to Allah who taught us better things. **

I don’t believe in the trinity either, but G-d manifests himself to different people in different ways, because he wants to reveal himself to all.

muslimphilosophy.com/ir/rushd.pdf

Truly, G-d is the greatest. G-d reveals Himself and His truths to every honest person, in what way He chooses, based upon the type of person He intends to reach. To the Muslim G-d sends Al-Qur’an, to the Christian he sends the Bible, to the Jew, he sends Talmud and Torah. To those who can not conceive of Him, G-d sends the works of philosophy.

Had He wanted to, He could have made us all alike. He chose to make us different for his own purposes, but G-d wants our lives to be easy, and not to be hard, and G-d knows best.

LaMar

 

[inJESUS]

Jesus suffered for his own sins.

Jesus is sinless.

That is why he died and remained dead for three days and nights. he was in hell too for three days. What a god who goes to hell too.!! That is the church theory. We don’t believe anything that the church is teaching.

 

[Angelos]

** He suffered even before the cross for he prayed whole night** to avoid that cup of crucifixion. He was not willing to die on the cross. He was a strange type of god who was asking even his followers to pray for him to be saved from the death on the cross. Did he not request the disciples to keep awake and pray because the time was very difficult. But they went to sleep and did not pray for him in the garden before his arrest.

You are resorting to exaggeration (check the underlined part of your statement) to make your assumptions sound true. More, Jesus did not ask His disciples to pray for HIM, but for themselves.

Matthew 26:36Then Jesus came with them into a country place which is called Gethsemani. And he said to his disciples: Sit you here, till **I **go yonder and pray

Matthew 26:41 Watch ye: and pray that ye enter not into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

You are even unable to understand what is written in the NT. Cannot you do anything better than perverting the message of the NT (nothing different than your beloved prophets’ scribes who distorted the Bible to create their Koran)?

**
That is a funny god who is asking his friends to pray for his safety. And he himself prayed so much that sweat was flowing like blood. He was beseeching his God (That is everybody’s One real God) to save him from the humilating curse of death on the cross. Nobody wants to be a cursed persons. But christians have happily accepted that Jesus was indeed cursed.**

Your Allah, on the other hand, as the false god of illusions made everyone see Jesus being crucified and killed. Our true God is the God of reality whereas your false god is the god of pretense. The Koran only perverts the true message of the NT by making Jesus pretend to be a cursed man. This means you Muslims have to believe that Jesus was cursed in appearance!

**
It is better for any one to go to hell instead of making Jesus a cursed person. Why I am writing all this? It is because the christians here on this forum are criticising Muhammad for his fear on the first visit of the angel. And they (christians) are boldly saying that it was not an angel who visited Muhammad but it was satan.**

So all Muslims should go to hell right now! We Christians have a good reason to boldly assume that Mohammed was visited by Satan. Read **Surah 22:50 **to agree with us.

**
We know who was visited by the Satan. That was jesus. It is written in the bible that satan took Jesus around on an errand for forty days. We hate to hear even such bad things. A funny God. Even Satan visits him and tempts him. Unbelieveable.**

Where do you read in the Bible that Jesus was visited by Satan? It was Jesus Himself who was led to the wilderness, where He was tempted.

Remember that Jesus’ temptation by the devil indicates His being the new Adam. Interestingly, your Koran compares Jesus to Adam in terms of His miraculous birth (Surah 3:59). Besides, it is the conventional Islamic teaching that Adam was the first man and prophet! Adam was tempted By Satan too. In the Islamic version of the story it was Allah who misled Satan and then negotiated with him! Open your eyes!

**
The gist of the present discussion is that nothing good or bad from the christians should be believed because they are themsleves misled and they have lost the real guidance that was given to them by Jesus.**

Back to the Satanic and Islamic claim that Jesus was an incompetent messenger of Allah, whose true message failed whereas the supposedly wrong teachings prevailed. Allah is a funny false god that is unable to preserve his word on earth so as to protect believers from deception.

 

[Angelos]

Jesus dying and going to Hell for three days is an allusion to the sun, which dies on Dec 21, and stays low in the sky for 3 days. About Dec 24, the sun starts rising up again. Dec 25 is the day of the sun’s birth. This is the origin of Christmas. It is astronomy.

This makes no sense indeed because Christmas is the feast of Jesus’ nativity -His birth from the Virgin, not the feast of His resurrection. Jesus is not considered an equivalent of the Sun in the NT either! Further, the narrative of Jesus’ passion and resurrection in the NT and Christian theology concerning them are completely different from the resurrection stories of mythological characters.

 

[LaMar]

This makes no sense indeed because Christmas is the feast of Jesus’ nativity -His birth from the Virgin, not the feast of His resurrection. Jesus is not considered an equivalent of the Sun in the NT either! Further, the narrative of Jesus’ passion and resurrection in the NT and Christian theology concerning them are completely different from the resurrection stories of mythological characters.

suite101.com/article.cfm/mythology/29943

**The Christmas season is now upon us wrapping us in its warmth, light, and good cheer. And all who celebrate this glorious holiday eagerly await that most special day, December 25th, the day that Jesus Christ was born - or was he? Scholars tell us that Christ was probably born 4 years before the Common Era and most likely in the Spring time! So just who was born on December 25th then? The ancient god Mithras, that’s who!

Read on and discover for yourself the striking similarities between Mithras and Jesus, and the belief systems of Mithraism and Christianity.

Worship of the god Mithras began around 4000 years ago in Persia where he was venerated as the protector of tribal society. Other gods in this ancient pantheon included Ahura-Mazda, the sky god, and Ahriman, the god of darkness. When Zoroaster (Zarathrusta), a prophet from the kingdom of Bactria, implemented a reform of polytheism (628-55 BCE), Mithras lost his place among the gods, lost his powers and attributes; and Ahura-Mazda and Ahriman were pushed to opposite ends of the deistic spectrum where Ahura-Mazda became the symbol of supreme good while Ahriman became the embodiment of ultimate evil. All of the other Persian gods then took on a hierarchical position beneath one of these two gods. This dichotomy of pure good versus pure evil influenced the Jews under Babylonian captivity (597 BCE) - the Babylonians venerated Mithras under the name of Shamash and had refined the theology, mythology, rituals, and doctrines of the Persians embedding them into their own belief system - creating the strong adversity between Yahweh and Ha Shatan which led to the Jehovah-Satan struggle of Christianity.

Under this new theology of Zoroaster, Mithras took his new place in the hierarchy under Ahura-Mazda and became the Judger of Souls. And now we will see how Mithras compares to Jesus Christ.

Like Jesus, Mithras, part of a Holy Trinity, was conceived of Holy seed and born on December 25th into human form of an immaculate virgin mother - Anahita, once worshiped as a fertility goddess. He was born as the divine representation of Ahura-Mazda on earth, to protect his righteous followers from the evil powers of Ahriman, and guide them into Paradise. (Sound familiar?)

It is said that Mithras was “omniscient, undeceivable, ever watchful, and never resting”. He ensured the authority of contracts and promises. In fact, his name means, “contract”. Monarchs and the nobility, in particular, saw him as their protector. Furthermore, the handshake developed from the worship of Mithras as a token of friendship and to show proof that one was unarmed.**

 

[Angelos]

suite101.com/article.cfm/mythology/29943

**The Christmas season is now upon us wrapping us in its warmth, light, and good cheer. And all who celebrate this glorious holiday eagerly await that most special day, December 25th, the day that Jesus Christ was born - or was he? Scholars tell us that Christ was probably born 4 years before the Common Era and most likely in the Spring time! So just who was born on December 25th then? The ancient god Mithras, that’s who!

Read on and discover for yourself the striking similarities between Mithras and Jesus, and the belief systems of Mithraism and Christianity.

Worship of the god Mithras began around 4000 years ago in Persia where he was venerated as the protector of tribal society. Other gods in this ancient pantheon included Ahura-Mazda, the sky god, and Ahriman, the god of darkness. When Zoroaster (Zarathrusta), a prophet from the kingdom of Bactria, implemented a reform of polytheism (628-55 BCE), Mithras lost his place among the gods, lost his powers and attributes; and Ahura-Mazda and Ahriman were pushed to opposite ends of the deistic spectrum where Ahura-Mazda became the symbol of supreme good while Ahriman became the embodiment of ultimate evil. All of the other Persian gods then took on a hierarchical position beneath one of these two gods. This dichotomy of pure good versus pure evil influenced the Jews under Babylonian captivity (597 BCE) - the Babylonians venerated Mithras under the name of Shamash and had refined the theology, mythology, rituals, and doctrines of the Persians embedding them into their own belief system - creating the strong adversity between Yahweh and Ha Shatan which led to the Jehovah-Satan struggle of Christianity.

Under this new theology of Zoroaster, Mithras took his new place in the hierarchy under Ahura-Mazda and became the Judger of Souls. And now we will see how Mithras compares to Jesus Christ.

Like Jesus, Mithras, part of a Holy Trinity, was conceived of Holy seed and born on December 25th into human form of an immaculate virgin mother - Anahita, once worshiped as a fertility goddess. He was born as the divine representation of Ahura-Mazda on earth, to protect his righteous followers from the evil powers of Ahriman, and guide them into Paradise. (Sound familiar?)

It is said that Mithras was “omniscient, undeceivable, ever watchful, and never resting”. He ensured the authority of contracts and promises. In fact, his name means, “contract”. Monarchs and the nobility, in particular, saw him as their protector. Furthermore, the handshake developed from the worship of Mithras as a token of friendship and to show proof that one was unarmed.**

This is no good response to my post although you have quoted it to mark the supposed relevance!

In your previous post you wrongly associated the basic Christian tenet of Jesus’ resurrection with the official date of Christmas (Jesus’ nativity). This detailed false analogy between Mithra and Jesus, on the other hand, only functions to rebut your claims that Jesus’ resurrection is associated with Christmas!

 

[LaMar]

This is no good response to my post although you have quoted it to mark the supposed relevance!

In your previous post you wrongly associated the basic Christian tenet of Jesus’ resurrection with the official date of Christmas (Jesus’ nativity). This detailed false analogy between Mithra and Jesus, on the other hand, only functions to rebut your claims that Jesus’ resurrection is associated with Christmas!

I made no such claim. You’re doing what true-believers always do when they can’t explain their own beliefs, and creating a straw-man.

Jesus’ birth, death and resurrection are all simply re-workings of older myths. Mithras, Dionysus, Wotan and dozens of other Pagan gods were born on the winter solstice, died by hanging on a tree, went down to hell for three days and then miraculously came back to life.

Your own church fathers knew this, which is why they came up with the explanation that Satan had made counterfeits, before Jesus was ever born.

The reality is that Planten’s telling of the story is more in line with monotheism. It’s easier to believe and makes sense. The Muslims believe in one God, like the Jews. Christians can’t even coherently explain how their polytheism has anything to do with the God of Abraham, and you are the example of this with your logical fallacies.

I’m neither Christian nor Muslim, so I don’t care one way or another, but do keep it up. You and your fellow Catholics are putting on quite a show.

 

[Angelos]

A similarity between Mithra and Christ struck even early observers, such as Justin, Tertullian, and other Fathers, and in recent times has been urged to prove that Christianity is but an adaptation of Mithraism, or at most the outcome of the same religious ideas and aspirations (e.g. Robertson, “Pagan Christs”, 1903). Against this erroneous and unscientific procedure, which is not endorsed by the greatest living authority on Mithraism, the following considerations must be brought forward.

(1) Our knowledge regarding Mithraism is very imperfect; some 600 brief inscriptions, mostly dedicatory, some 300 often fragmentary, exiguous, almost identical monuments, a few casual references in the Fathers or Acts of the Martyrs, and a brief polemic against Mithraism which the Armenian Eznig about 450 probably copied from Theodore of Mopsuestia (d. 428) who lived when Mithraism was almost a thing of the past – these are our only sources, unless we include the Avesta in which Mithra is indeed mentioned, but which cannot be an authority for Roman Mithraism with which Christianity is compared. Our knowledge is mostly ingenious guess-work; of the real inner working of Mithraism and the sense in which it was understood by those who professed it at the advent of Christianity, we know nothing.

2) Some apparent similarities exist; but in a number of details it is quite probable that Mithraism was the borrower from Christianity. Tertullian about 200 could say: “hesterni sumus et omnia vestra implevimus” (“we are but of yesterday, yet your whole world is full of us”). It is not unnatural to suppose that a religion which filled the whole world, should have been copied at least in some details by another religion which was quite popular during the third century. Moreover the resemblances pointed out are superficial and external. Similarity in words and names is nothing; it is the sense that matters. During these centuries Christianity was coining its own technical terms, and naturally took names, terms, and expressions current in that day; and so did Mithraism. But under identical terms each system thought its own thoughts. Mithra is called a mediator; and so is Christ; but Mithra originally only in a cosmogonic or astronomical sense; Christ, being God and man, is by nature the Mediator between God and man. And so in similar instances. Mithraism had a Eucharist, but the idea of a sacred banquet is as old as the human race and existed at all ages and amongst all peoples. Mithra saved the world by sacrificing a bull; Christ by sacrificing Himself. It is hardly possible to conceive a more radical difference than that between Mithra taurochtonos and Christ crucified. Christ was born of a Virgin; there is nothing to prove that the same was believed of Mithra born from the rock. Christ was born in a cave; and Mithraists worshipped in a cave, but Mithra was born under a tree near a river. Much as been made of the presence of adoring shepherds; but their existence on sculptures has not been proven, and considering that man had not yet appeared, it is an anachronism to suppose their presence.

** (3)** Christ was an historical personage, recently born in a well known town of Judea, and crucified under a Roman governor, whose name figured in the ordinary official lists. Mithra was an abstraction, a personification not even of the sun but of the diffused daylight; his incarnation, if such it may be called, was supposed to have happened before the creation of the human race, before all history. The small Mithraic congregations were like masonic lodges for a few and for men only and even those mostly of one class, the military; a religion that excludes the half of the human race bears no comparison to the religion of Christ. Mithraism was all comprehensive and tolerant of every other cult, the Pater Patrum himself was an adept in a number of other religions; Christianity was essential exclusive, condemning every other religion in the world, alone and unique in its majesty.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10402a.htm

 

[planten]

Truly, G-d is the greatest. G-d reveals Himself and His truths to every honest person, in what way He chooses, based upon the type of person He intends to reach. To the Muslim G-d sends Al-Qur’an, to the Christian he sends the Bible, to the Jew, he sends Talmud and Torah. To those who can not conceive of Him, G-d sends the works of philosophy.

Had He wanted to, He could have made us all alike. He chose to make us different for his own purposes, but G-d wants our lives to be easy, and not to be hard, and G-d knows best.

LaMar

I believe that is the best way for all of us. Thanks.

 

[sneakers]

**When Jesus is afraid and crying, you say that he suffered because he was a man. But what about Muhammad? Was he not a man?. So if he was afraid for anything then why do you blame him and forget your Jesus who was mighty afraid of being killed on the cross.

He suffered even before the cross for he prayed whole night to avoid that cup of crucifixion. He was not willing to die on the cross.

**

OF COURSE he feared pain! He came to earth to live as a man - not to be a robot! That makes his sacrifice all the greater!

He recognized that it was necessary to SUFFER pain and death. He CHOSE to do it! If there was no pain involved, then it would not be much of a sacrifice!

His SUFFERING PAIN and DEATH was his demonstration of his love for us. He bought our salvation with His life!!

Would mohammed have loved you enough to suffer for you?
Would mohammed have loved you enough to die for you?

No.

 

[planten]

OF COURSE he feared pain! He came to earth to live as a man - not to be a robot! That makes his sacrifice all the greater!

He recognized that it was necessary to SUFFER pain and death. He CHOSE to do it! If there was no pain involved, then it would not be much of a sacrifice!

His SUFFERING PAIN and DEATH was his demonstration of his love for us. He bought our salvation with His life!!

Would mohammed have loved you enough to suffer for you?
Would mohammed have loved you enough to die for you?

No.

**The question here is not of suffering and pain. The christians are telling us that Muhammad was afraid and he was visited by the Satan in the cave. That during the first revelation, muhammad was afraid of the devil. It is the question of the fear. So I proposed the condition of Jesus when he was about to be arrested, how much he was afraid that he prayed all night and asked his friends also to pray so that the cup could be avoided.

Please read all the previous posts to understand the discussion. I believe what you are saying and we understand it. Muhammad did more for the mankind than jesus could do in three years. In fact Jesus suffered much at the hands of his enemies and went away leaving his friends in disarray to be persecuted for three hundred years. **

 

[inJESUS]

Planten, i think the comparision is between how angels behaved and what they said, in the Bible, and the different attitude Muhammad experienced. It is not about fear per se.

 

[Angelos]

The question here is not of suffering and pain. The christians are telling us that Muhammad was afraid and he was visited by the Satan in the cave. That during the first revelation, muhammad was afraid of the devil. It is the question of the fear. So I proposed the condition of Jesus when he was about to be arrested, how much he was afraid that he prayed all night and asked his friends also to pray so that the cup could be avoided.

You can never prove that the Bible says Jesus was visited by Satan during the first revelation. Here you are wrongly comparing Islamic theology to Jesus’ human nature and psychology. Besides, I have to repeat what you fail to notice: Jesus did not ask His friends to pray FOR HIM, but FOR THEMSELVES:

Matthew 26:40-41 And he cometh to his disciples and findeth them asleep. And he saith to Peter: What? Could you not **watch **one hour with me? Watch ye: and pray that you enter not into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Luke 22:40 And when he was come to the place, he said to them: Pray, lest you enter into temptation.

**
Please read all the previous posts to understand the discussion. I believe what you are saying and we understand it. Muhammad did more for the mankind than jesus could do in three years. In fact Jesus suffered much at the hands of his enemies and went away leaving his friends in disarray to be persecuted for three hundred years. **

John 18: 4-9 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth and said to them: Whom seek ye? They answered him: Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith to them: I am he. And Judas also, who betrayed him, stood with them. As soon therefore as he had said to them: I am he; they went backward and fell to the ground. Again therefore he asked them: Whom seek ye? And they said: Jesus of Nazareth.Jesus answered: I have told you that I am he. If therefore you seek me, let these go their way. That the word might be fulfilled which he said: **Of them whom thou hast given me, I have not lost any one. **

John 10:11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd giveth his life for his sheep.

John 15:13 Greater love than this no man hath, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Mohammad, on the contrary, did his best to escape death and even once made his son-in-law lie in his bed as his substitute during the migration. He later became the earthly king of Arabia to drag thousands of people to death. He also became a nightmare and notion of slaughter for those rejecting him as the last messenger.