Did Jesus turn water into wine or juice

[NotWorthy]

what does the scriptures say???

This is simple.

Look at the word used in the wedding in Cana, and the word used in Acts 2, where the Apostles are accused of being drunk on new wine. You don’t get drunk on grape juice, so if its the same word…

 

[beenwashed]

Mark 2:22 is also a good proof that it was wine and not juice.
“Likewise, no one pours new wine into old wineskins. Otherwise, the wine will burst the skins, and both the wine and the skins are ruined. Rather, new wine is poured into fresh wineskins.”

Juice would not have burst the skins. However, the process of fermentation causes gasses to be released which would in turn, cause an old wine skin to break. When wine is made today, they have valves to help release these gasses from the barrels.

 

[Luke65]

Funny joke I heard: Jesus turned water into wine, and now some of His disciples turn wine into grape juice!

 

[Ruthie]

FellowChristian, I’m not aware of which Greek or Hebrew word that a Biblical writer could’ve used to make it clear that it was juice and not wine, but I’d like to know so that I can ask the same question to advocates of the “juice only” position.

I have software that searches the Bible for words.

“Juice” appears only once in the whole KJV Bible! Song of Solomon 8:2 - “I would cause thee to drink of spiced wine of the juice of my pomegranate.”

Right next to “wine,” too!

“Juice” is Strong’s #H6071, which means just trodden out, and/or sweet wine. “Wine” in the same verse is H3196, translated as… yeah, you got it! Interestingly, Strong says it’s from a root meaning “to effervesce.” That’s a clincher!

Fermentation changes sugar into alcohol and gas. Which brings up Mark 2:22.

And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; if he does, the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost, and so are the skins; but new wine is for fresh skins.

It’s the stretching caused by fermentation that bursts the old wineskins - because they were already stretched out by the previous batch.

In the Greek, that verse shows us that there is one word for “wine,” repeated four times. Twice, it is modified by “new;” but only when it means unfermented wine. So if one translates “grape juice” into NT Greek, it would come out, “new wine.”

There; how’s that?

God bless you,

Ruthie

 

[RobHom]

My question is straightforward and simple. Did Jesus turn the water into wine or grape juice? My church says it’s grape juice but my reading of the story makes me believe it was wine.

Ruthie, what you have experienced is called “historical revisionism”. Its a convenient way to “bend” the truth to fit an agenda.

What you believe if I read you correctly is right. Its “wine”, which is “fermented grape juices” that are part alcohols due to a natural fermentation process that is accelerated by heat.

Also, one would have to ask why is it that the word “wine” appears in the Bible 233 times drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?t=0&q=wine&b=drb while the word “juice” appears ZERO times drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?t=0&q=grape+juice&b=drb ???

It can also be called “whitewashing of facts”…

 

[RobHom]

I have software that searches the Bible for words.

“Juice” appears only once in the whole KJV Bible! Song of Solomon 8:2 - “I would cause thee to drink of spiced wine of the juice of my pomegranate.”

Right next to “wine,” too!

“Juice” is Strong’s #H6071, which means just trodden out, and/or sweet wine. “Wine” in the same verse is H3196, translated as… yeah, you got it! Interestingly, Strong says it’s from a root meaning “to effervesce.” That’s a clincher!

Fermentation changes sugar into alcohol and gas. Which brings up Mark 2:22.

It’s the stretching caused by fermentation that bursts the old wineskins - because they were already stretched out by the previous batch.

In the Greek, that verse shows us that there is one word for “wine,” repeated four times. Twice, it is modified by “new;” but only when it means unfermented wine. So if one translates “grape juice” into NT Greek, it would come out, “new wine.”

There; how’s that?

God bless you,

Ruthie

As I said before…its “historical revisionism” but in the case you mentioned above, it appears that someone has taken it a step further and used a bit of “undeserved literary license”…

In the Solomon’s Canticles of Canticles 8:2 the following are the original words as translated from the original manuscripts:

2 I will take hold of thee, and bring thee Into my mother’s house: there thou shalt teach me, and I will give thee a cup of spiced wine and new wine of my pomegranates.

As I said…nowhere in the Bible does the word “juice” appear. drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drb&bk=24&ch=8&l=2&f=s#x

The Douay-Rheims Bible is translated from the Latin Vulgate, which was a translation done by Saint Jerome… I can’t imagine that anyone nowadays would have a better grasp on ancient languages than he did considering that he wrote this translation back in the 4th century AD…that being the 300’s, when many of those languages were still spoken and prevalent.

On another point, I will let you drawn the conclusion:

Please read Acts Chapter 2, verses 1 through 13.

Now, if “new wine” was simply “grape juice”…then why did those mocking the others say "These men are full of new wine.? Frankly, I have very strong doubts that “grape juice” has much influence on a persons mental capacities. Granted, the men being discussed were under the influence of the Holy Spirit, but the import of the issue is the insinuation that they were under the influence of NEW WINE after having consumed it! Therefore, its pretty easy to figure out that “wine” by its very definition is “wine”. New is new, or of a newer “vintage” as we would put it now, as opposed to an older and generally more expensive aged “vintage”… New wine would be less expensive, as it is today.

And your “conclusion” would be?

 

[Belloc_Fan]

RobHom, I don’t understand. Are you criticizing Ruthie, or agreeing with her? I think her answer was absolutely perfect. She’s saying it is wine. I don’t think that’s revisionism at all. Or was the revisionism you were talking about the AOG people who originally claimed it was juice?

 

[plain_me]

I have software that searches the Bible for words.

“Juice” appears only once in the whole KJV Bible! Song of Solomon 8:2 - “I would cause thee to drink of spiced wine of the juice of my pomegranate.”

Right next to “wine,” too!

“Juice” is Strong’s #H6071, which means just trodden out, and/or sweet wine. “Wine” in the same verse is H3196, translated as… yeah, you got it! Interestingly, Strong says it’s from a root meaning “to effervesce.” That’s a clincher!

Fermentation changes sugar into alcohol and gas. Which brings up Mark 2:22.

It’s the stretching caused by fermentation that bursts the old wineskins - because they were already stretched out by the previous batch.

In the Greek, that verse shows us that there is one word for “wine,” repeated four times. Twice, it is modified by “new;” but only when it means unfermented wine. So if one translates “grape juice” into NT Greek, it would come out, “new wine.”

There; how’s that?

God bless you,

Ruthie

Thanks, Ruthie. I actually looked that up in the NASB and the Strong’s dictionary. The “new wine” is what they use when referring to the fresh juice; though, I would say that the context is what is gonna dictate your understanding of the actually word being used. Even the word “new wine” is used in Acts 2 to refer to the Apostles as drunken men.

Thanks again. I really appreciate the fact that you looked into that for me.