I’ve read about John the Baptist and I can not find any information in the christian bible about what method he would have been baptised. Since he came before Jesus, and was never a disciple of Jesus, I would think he would not be compelled to a certain format of baptism that others would be after Jesus taught baptism.
While Jesus did not as far as we know baptise anyone, I would argue John the Baptist was baptised by blood to Christ. He had his head cut off. A grisly way to go.
I agree, he is apparently know as “least” in the Kingdom of Heaven.While Jesus did not as far as we know baptise anyone, I would argue John the Baptist was baptised by blood to Christ. He had his head cut off. A grisly way to go.
And, he was good enough to baptise Jesus himself. I think that is a very tight case for his being okay with God.
Hi, friend.
The Catholic Church has rules that any baptism done with water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is valid. (outside of self baptism… I think)
Neither and yet he was baptized twice over.
I started banging around the bible professionally about twenty years ago and was surprised to discover how much social anthropology and hisory it gets you into. Actually, I love it. To start with “John’s Baptism” as spoken of in scripture as inadaquate was the traditional baptism of repentence. As it was according to God’s comandment (I forget how many of them there are in the YHWHist cult, Leveticus is chock-a-block with 'em), and as they bore God’s promice of forgiveness for past offences, it remaines valid. Interestingly enough, it was particularly central to the Essines, the ultra orthodox sect which built Cumaran and left the Dead Sea Scrolls. There the only Jewish sect not mentioned by Jesus. From the track record, he only spoke of those he had a gripe with. Their strong hold by the way was next door to Jesus boyhood home. Personally I strongly suspect that John was an Essine. He’s the spitting immage of one both in his appearance, his asseticism, and his preaching of the commong Messiah. I can’t believe that he himself wasn’t so baptized, frequently. We have no indication that Jesus baptized anyone. Did one of his deciples baptize John? There is to my knowledge any evidence of it. However, Moses believe God and it was reconed to his as righteousness. It’s generally held that Jesus salvation appilies to all who looked forward faithfully to it, and John did die before his cousin. As to the “better baptism in blood” alluded to in the deliberations above. That came to be dogma during the era of the marters, in this case during the Roman persecution of the Church, when many catacumians who had not yet been baptized ended up cat chow. Still, it cartainly does apply. The Church does recognize baptism by intention, when the person is prevented from it or the opportunity is not present, so I’m not sure about that one. John said: "I baptize you with water, but he who comes after me will baptize with fire and the Holy Spirit. It’s an interesting question, but I sincerely doubt that it presents a problem, though I have found to my sorrow that anything that can be made a problem will be. In Umberto Ecco’s wounderful novel “The Color of the Rose” Cardinals were argueing as to if Jesus owned His own robe! :doh2: Thanks for the absence of rancor in the string. :flowers: Oh, please forgive my spelling and typing. It’s awful in five different languages, two texts, two sub texts, left to right and right to left, but after all, that’s what God made TAs (teaching asstants) for.
A statement that a fetus in the womb was somehow “baptized” really is bad theology.I agree that John was baptised in his mothers womb at the moment that he heard the voice of the Mother of Jesus, and leapt for joy to acknowledge the presence of Jesus. This was accomplished by the prophetic utterance of the angel that the child would be filled by the Holy Spirit. The presence of any sin is incompatible with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in the soul and it follows that at this moment John was cleansed of original sin by being baptised in this way. Later in life he was baptised in running water which was the Jewish custom at the time. So in my most humble opinion he was baptised. As a baby he would have been circumcised (baptised)
also according to the law of Moses, so I think he was well and truly baptised.
Hi, friend.I with the greatest of respect I suggest you read John 8.24 and read what the angle ( Gabriel) told Zechariah which included that he John the baptised would be filled with the Holy Spirit.
A foetus is a little person being knitted together by God with a Soul from the moment of conception.
Perhaps we should all pray to John the Baptist for enlightmnet as to-day is his Feast Day.
Hi, Granny.