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What?
The Catholic Church teaches this Gospel in inspired, canonical, and true.
What do you mean?
Did John the Baptist know Jesus?
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The Catholic Church teaches this Gospel in inspired, canonical, and true.
What do you mean?
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Vince1022
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How do we know this? Thanks.
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adrift
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I did not meet my first cousin until we were in our 60’s, Because they were cousins did not mean they knew each other. There are other first cousins that I have never met. We lived within 60 miles of each other.
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Vince1022
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No, the Catholic Church does not teach that the Pope is infallible.
Read Vatican II’s Dogmatic Constitution on the Church (Lumen Gentium) and the Catechism para 888 ff.
Hope this helps.
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patrick457
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888 Bishops, with priests as co-workers, have as their first task “to preach the Gospel of God to all men,” in keeping with the Lord’s command. They are “heralds of faith, who draw new disciples to Christ; they are authentic teachers” of the apostolic faith “endowed with the authority of Christ.”
889 In order to preserve the Church in the purity of the faith handed on by the apostles, Christ who is the Truth willed to confer on her a share in his own infallibility. By a “supernatural sense of faith” the People of God, under the guidance of the Church’s living Magisterium, “unfailingly adheres to this faith.”
890 The mission of the Magisterium is linked to the definitive nature of the covenant established by God with his people in Christ. It is this Magisterium’s task to preserve God’s people from deviations and defections and to guarantee them the objective possibility of professing the true faith without error. Thus, the pastoral duty of the Magisterium is aimed at seeing to it that the People of God abides in the truth that liberates. To fulfill this service, Christ endowed the Church’s shepherds with the charism of infallibility in matters of faith and morals. The exercise of this charism takes several forms:
891 “The Roman Pontiff, head of the college of bishops, enjoys this infallibility in virtue of his office, when, as supreme pastor and teacher of all the faithful - who confirms his brethren in the faith he proclaims by a definitive act a doctrine pertaining to faith or morals…The infallibility promised to the Church is also present in the body of bishops when, together with Peter’s successor, they exercise the supreme Magisterium,” above all in an Ecumenical Council. When the Church through its supreme Magisterium proposes a doctrine “for belief as being divinely revealed,” and as the teaching of Christ, the definitions “must be adhered to with the obedience of faith.” This infallibility extends as far as the deposit of divine Revelation itself.
892 Divine assistance is also given to the successors of the apostles, teaching in communion with the successor of Peter, and, in a particular way, to the bishop of Rome, pastor of the whole Church, when, without arriving at an infallible definition and without pronouncing in a “definitive manner,” they propose in the exercise of the ordinary Magisterium a teaching that leads to better understanding of Revelation in matters of faith and morals. To this ordinary teaching the faithful "are to adhere to it with religious assent"422 which, though distinct from the assent of faith, is nonetheless an extension of it.
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Vince1022
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Exactly! Thanks.
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tgm21234
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If Jesus and John were cousins, didn’t they grow up together?
How could John not recognize his cousin?
How could John not recognize his cousin?
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tgm21234
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I guess Karl Keating is right when he says, one has to be a detective when reading scripture.
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Vince1022
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No, the Pope is not infallible. The Catholic Church does not teach that the Pope is infallible.
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I quote again CCC 891,which you and Patrick457 quoted:
However the CCC says The Roman Pontiff, ie** the Pope** enjoys this infallibility ie is infallible.
This means the Church teaches that ***the Pope is infallible.
IT CANNOT BE EXPRESSED CLEARER THAN THIS.
I quote again CCC 891,which you and Patrick457 quoted:
I admit the CCC is not infallible.
However the CCC says The Roman Pontiff, ie** the Pope** enjoys this infallibility ie is infallible.
This means the Church teaches that ***the Pope is infallible.
IT CANNOT BE EXPRESSED CLEARER THAN THIS.
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patrick457
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Which, just to clarify for other folks, is not the same as saying that the Pope is impeccable (can do no wrong, i.e. commit a sin), right?
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James224
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In John 1:31 and 1:33 when John said he “Knew him not…”, he meant that he did not know him by sight but recognized Jesus through a revelation from God. Here’s what Cornelius Lapide’s Commentary says about each verse:
1:31 - And I knew Him not, &c. As though he said, “Think not, 0 ye Jews, that I affirm Jesus to be the Messiah for the sake of friendship, or relationship, as though I were His friend and companion; for I declare unto you that I knew Him not, that I never saw Him, or spoke to Him, before His baptism. But as soon as I saw Him I recognised Him by the inspiration of God.” “What wonder,” says S. Chrysostom, “that he who from a child dwelt in the desert away from his father’s house knew not Christ?” *
But that He should be manifested*, &c. That is, to the Jews, to whom the Messiah was promised, “that they all might be brought to believe in Him.” Wherefore Nonnus paraphrases, “But that He whose face was unknown might be manifested to all the children of Israel, who have no ruler, I am come a precursor of the way not declared, baptizing an unlearned, ignorant, erring people.”
1:33 - And I knew Him not, &c *With water. *Nonnus, “in the laver without fire and the Holy Ghost.” A second time S. John declares that he knew not Jesus was the Christ by sight and converse, but by revelation from God, that no one might dare to dispute his testimony. So S. Cyril.
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adrift
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No they did not. Jesus was reared in Nazareth John near Jerusalem.
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steve53
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This question is a definite conundrum.
From the Gospels, you can make a case that Jesus and John were cousins. Their mothers were sisters and very close.
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You can make a case that John did not know Jesus at all, and that Jesus took center stage with his ministry only after John was arrested.
From the Gospels, you can make a case that Jesus and John were cousins. Their mothers were sisters and very close.
or…
You can make a case that John did not know Jesus at all, and that Jesus took center stage with his ministry only after John was arrested.
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SnakeMauler
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Someone told me that had a few beers together at parties when they were teenagers but I dunno 
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ActuallyAquinas
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The Bible is the infallible word of G-d, but itself is inerrant, or without error. Watch yourself.
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adrift
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How do you know that their mothers were sisters. All that the scripture says is that they were kinsman. In the different translations that I have seen is that they were called either kin of cousins but that does not mean that they were first cousins.
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roveau
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Mary and Elizabeth were certainly relatives. If one relative went to visit anther relative a long way off and stay for three months, that would indicate a close relative like a first cousin or a niece/aunt relationship. Hence most assume they were first cousins. It seems that Mary came to be of assistance to Elizabeth during her last three months of pregnancy.
The Pope is only infallible under very specific circumstances if one reads the CCC carefully (and it must be read carefully, especially by people who understand such documents). He can’t be said to be infallible because that means that any statement he may make or anything he writes at all are infallible and this has never been the case.
The Pope is only infallible under very specific circumstances if one reads the CCC carefully (and it must be read carefully, especially by people who understand such documents). He can’t be said to be infallible because that means that any statement he may make or anything he writes at all are infallible and this has never been the case.
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