You sly dog, you! You know my quest for prophecy will keep me reading. LOL!
Zer:
Yes, you are! The correct statement is that I have the witness of the Holy Spirit that the Book of Mormon is true. Beyond that I am not willing to give one iota of explanation as to how I know.
I believe that your inquiries about Mormonism are sincere, that is why I have gladly answered your questions. I will be happy to continue to answer your sincere questions about any aspect of the Book of Mormon as you read it. You start reading the Book of Mormon from page one, and in the process come back to me with your questions, and I will be happy to answer them for you to the best of my ability.You sly dog, you! You know my quest for prophecy will keep me reading. LOL!
Fair enough, i will keep reading if you will promise to keep answering my sincere questions as they come to me. If you change your mind and would like to throw me one of your bones, i’m sure i’ll wag my tail and be glad to discuss a prophecy of the Book of Mormon of your choosing.
No, Z, it is historical fact. Joseph repeated this scenario many times, including with Oliver Cowdery’s wife. Truth is an affirmative defense to slander. Didn’t you know that?
Does it makes sense for the King James version of the Bible to be quoted in a book that was supposedly written ages before the KJV Bible existed.Yes, that makes sense to me.
Do you have something other than an ad hominem?
Are you saying you are unwilling or unable to answer my questions? If you are willing, please try to answer these two important questions for me:
Yes, Plato’s Apology is where Socrates was on public trial in Athens, Greece. I most enjoy Plato’s dialogs where Socrates had thoughtful conversations with friends, religious sages, philosophers, athletes, war heroes and other experts. Phaedrus is perhaps my favorite. Euthyphro and Protagoras are also extremely good.
RAR:
Yes!
That depends on how they are cooked, what they come with, what mood I am in, and how hungry I am!
LOL!Yes!
That depends on how they are cooked, what they come with, what mood I am in, and how hungry I am!
zerinus
You are trying to cast aspersions on the nature of my belief. Let me assure you that I am not bothered by that. My answer remains the same. I have the testimony of the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon is true. I have nothing further to add to that. You are free to accept or reject that as you please. I don’t care whether you do or not.LOL!
As for me i cannot see why anyone would like the taste of brussel sprouts! I’ve tried to learn the secret of that desire, but no matter how i cook them and no matter what spices with which i shower them, they still make me turn up my nose. The same goes for liver and turnips. My mother adores the former and my father craves the latter, but i cannot stand either.
When i ask a person to explain how she could put such nasty stuff in her mouth, she says, “Because i like the way it tastes!” When i ask why on earth she thinks it tastes good, she says, “Because it is delicious!” I find that she really has not answered my question, for i ask her why she believes, and she only answers what she believes. That is, she believes that brussel sprouts, or liver, or turnips are tasty without giving any good reason why.
I find something similar in my conversations with you, Zer, about belief. I ask why you believe the Book of Mormon is true, and you say it is because the Holy Spirit gives you a conviction that it is. When i ask why you believe the Holy Spirit gave you this conviction, you say it is because the Holy Spirit convicts you that the conviction is from Him, and that is all you have to say about that. Like the lover of liver, or brussel sprouts, or turnips, you have not answered my question.
Please let me explain: Conviction, you agree, is belief. It’s the strongest kind of belief. So, when i ask you why you believe, you answer it is because you believe. I might ask you why you have a conviction, and your answer would be because you have a conviction. You really have not told me why you believe; you’ve only repeated what you believe. You have failed to answer the question.
Hence, i’m left wondering: Do you really know why you believe? Or are you like the one who has a conviction that she loves some nasty food, but, in reality, does not know why? I’m asking for my own benefit, not for yours, for i believe you might be asking me to also believe without knowing why. I’m not sure that would be a wise thing for me to do, but perhaps you can convince me that it is?
Just an observation. Your premise is sound and quote an eloquent one at that. Just be aware that what you have asked for is an objective answer to a subjective question. The taste of food is subjective therefore the answer can not be objective. One can not explain why one likes the flavor unless you want to get down to the chemical interactions of the food against the palate or the psychological “it’s an acquired taste” discussion. Even then if you do there’s still the subjectiveness that must be taken into account, is it pleasing to the eye or nose. In regards to your application of your premise to Zer you are correct. He is giving you a subjective answer to your question while you are looking for an objective answer to which there should be one. Unfortunately in my experience no member of the LDS church can give an objective reason for believing in the BoM.LOL!
As for me i cannot see why anyone would like the taste of brussel sprouts! I’ve tried to learn the secret of that desire, but no matter how i cook them and no matter what spices with which i shower them, they still make me turn up my nose. The same goes for liver and turnips. My mother adores the former and my father craves the latter, but i cannot stand either.
When i ask a person to explain how she could put such nasty stuff in her mouth, she says, “Because i like the way it tastes!” When i ask why on earth she thinks it tastes good, she says, “Because it is delicious!” I find that she really has not answered my question, for i ask her why she believes, and she only answers what she believes. That is, she believes that brussel sprouts, or liver, or turnips are tasty without giving any good reason why.
I find something similar in my conversations with you, Zer, about belief. I ask why you believe the Book of Mormon is true, and you say it is because the Holy Spirit gives you a conviction that it is. When i ask why you believe the Holy Spirit gave you this conviction, you say it is because the Holy Spirit convicts you that the conviction is from Him, and that is all you have to say about that. Like the lover of liver, or brussel sprouts, or turnips, you have not answered my question.
Please let me explain: Conviction, you agree, is belief. It’s the strongest kind of belief. So, when i ask you why you believe, you answer it is because you believe. I might ask you why you have a conviction, and your answer would be because you have a conviction. You really have not told me why you believe; you’ve only repeated what you believe. You have failed to answer the question.
Hence, i’m left wondering: Do you really know why you believe? Or are you like the one who has a conviction that she loves some nasty food, but, in reality, does not know why? I’m asking for my own benefit, not for yours, for i believe you might be asking me to also believe without knowing why. I’m not sure that would be a wise thing for me to do, but perhaps you can convince me that it is?
For most intelligent people, mormonism has the taste of brussels sprouts, the taste that you regard as nasty. No matter how you season mormonism, it still tastes nasty. And those who eat of it, get very sick. Avoid mormonism as you would avoid brussels sprouts.LOL!
As for me i cannot see why anyone would like the taste of brussel sprouts! I’ve tried to learn the secret of that desire, but no matter how i cook them and no matter what spices with which i shower them, they still make me turn up my nose. The same goes for liver and turnips. My mother adores the former and my father craves the latter, but i cannot stand either.
When i ask a person to explain how she could put such nasty stuff in her mouth, she says, “Because i like the way it tastes!” When i ask why on earth she thinks it tastes good, she says, “Because it is delicious!” I find that she really has not answered my question, for i ask her why she believes, and she only answers what she believes. That is, she believes that brussel sprouts, or liver, or turnips are tasty without giving any good reason why.
I find something similar in my conversations with you, Zer, about belief. I ask why you believe the Book of Mormon is true, and you say it is because the Holy Spirit gives you a conviction that it is. When i ask why you believe the Holy Spirit gave you this conviction, you say it is because the Holy Spirit convicts you that the conviction is from Him, and that is all you have to say about that. Like the lover of liver, or brussel sprouts, or turnips, you have not answered my question.
Please let me explain: Conviction, you agree, is belief. It’s the strongest kind of belief. So, when i ask you why you believe, you answer it is because you believe. I might ask you why you have a conviction, and your answer would be because you have a conviction. You really have not told me why you believe; you’ve only repeated what you believe. You have failed to answer the question.
Hence, i’m left wondering: Do you really know why you believe? Or are you like the one who has a conviction that she loves some nasty food, but, in reality, does not know why? I’m asking for my own benefit, not for yours, for i believe you might be asking me to also believe without knowing why. I’m not sure that would be a wise thing for me to do, but perhaps you can convince me that it is?
There is only one problem with that. Jesus also did not give us an “objective explanation” as to how the Holy Ghost will “guide us into all truth:” “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth” (John 16:13); neither did John the Revelator give us an “objective explanation” as to how the Holy Spirit would “teacheth you of all things:” “But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie,” (1 John 2:27).
This speaks to the Truth of Jesus, not the BoM.