Did Joseph Smith ever quote from the Book of Mormon?

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currently zerinus is preaching to socrates4jesus ans ignoring any who get in the way of that.
 
majick275 said:
currently zerinus is preaching to socrates4jesus ans ignoring any who get in the way of that.
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He was, but it looks like he’s giving up for now.
zerinus said:
First of all, I am not your enemy. Don’t be so daft!

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And finally, I stand by what I said! I will not answer any more of your questions until you come back and tell me that you have read the Book of Mormon! You are an intelligent person and can read. How long will it take you to read the Book of Mormon? If you managed to read the Bible, you can read the Book of Mormon. That is a lot easier! If you put your mind to it, it shouldn’t take you more than a week or two to read it; otherwise I can see that we won’t get anywhere. You will keep coming back to me and asking me how I know that the Book of Mormon is true, and we won’t get beyond that.

If you want to ask me specific questions abut the Book of Mormon, ask them after you have read the book. Get yourself a little notebook, and jot down your questions as you read the book. You will find that many of your questions will be answered as you read the book. If you have any unanswered questions left after you have finished reading the book, come back to me and we will talk about them.

zerinus
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majick275 said:
currently zerinus is preaching to socrates4jesus ans ignoring any who get in the way of that.
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socrates4jesus is a mormon troll.

Look at his other postings. This is a common ruse here for non-C posters. Engage in a “discussion” with someone who seems to be disagreeing with you while setting up that “Ah ha!” moment that being a 1) mormon; 2) JW; 3) pentacostal; 4) SDA or 5) moslem is the way to go.

Robert
 
zerinus said:
Thank you. This is more recent. I am glad that she is doing OK. Teaching RCIA is a worthwhile activity too—almost as good as being a Mormon—but not quite! 😃

zerinus
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Being a mormon is almost as good as being a moslem, not! But being a mormon IS like being a moslem in that they both believe in a false religion and BOTH will lie fiercely to defend it.
 
Socrates4Jesus said:
Thank you for your honest (name removed by moderator)ut, NS. I have heard it said that the truth is the truth even if no one believes it, and a lie is still a lie even if everyone believes it.
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Very Socratic statement indeed! I like it! I also heard something of this kind yesterday on EWTN: “To non-believers, no explanation is satisfactory; to believers, no explanation is necessary.” In both cases, my reaction is, "How true!!
 
Rbt_Southwell said:
socrates4jesus is a mormon troll.

Look at his other postings. This is a common ruse here for non-C posters. Engage in a “discussion” with someone who seems to be disagreeing with you while setting up that “Ah ha!” moment that being a 1) mormon; 2) JW; 3) pentacostal; 4) SDA or 5) moslem is the way to go.

Robert
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I’m beginning to agree with you. My B.S. detector is beeping.

Paul
 
zerinus said:
Actually, I have a lot of respect for the Catholic Church (and so has the LDS Church). I have never spoken disrespectfully of the Catholic Church, nor have any other Mormons that have posted here. Okay, we believe that Christianity went into apostasy 2,000 years ago (and you probably believe something worse about us); but that does not mean that we believe the Christian religion or the Catholic Church that exists today (or has existed in the past) is an “evil thing”. The LDS Church respects the Catholic Church, and cooperates with it on humanitarian and other issues.

Some points to note here. I have never called a Catholic person an “apostate” just for being a “Catholic”. When I have applied that term to specific individuals, or set of individuals, I have used it in a very limited and narrow sense. By “apostate” I mean someone who leaves his church or religion, and then hates it, turns against it, wages war against it, and calls it all kinds of evil and hateful names. Religion is a matter of personal choice. If somebody finds that Mormonism, or Catholicism, or Islam, or any other religion does not turn him on, and wishes to leave it and join another religion, that is fine; I have nothing against anyone doing that. Everyone should be free to choose whatever religion the wish to have. But when they afterwards turn against their former religion, declare war against it, and call it all kinds of evil and abusive names, that is a sign that they have something else up their sleeve. I have as much contempt for a Catholic person who leaves the Catholic Church and acts in this way (as many of them do, who become Protestants or Evangelicals, for example), as I have for a Mormon who leaves Mormonism, and then does the same. I am pleased to note that I have never come across a former Catholic turned Mormon that has acted in this way. There may be a few (if there are, they are certainly misguided); but I am glad that I have never come across one yet. Many of them have appeared on this board from time to time; but you can’t show me one that has acted in this way.

Most of the people on this board whose actions you have disapproved of are in fact Mormon “apostates,” according to the definition that I have just given above; and I do not hide the fact that I have nothing but contempt for such people. I think that apostates are the most contemptible and despicable people on the planet—no matter what religion they came from—whether they be Mormon apostates, or Catholic apostates, or any other. They are equally contemptible in my sight. Now if they think that that is uncharitable, then so be it. I am an uncharitable person towards apostates.

zerinus
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I am sorry that I didn’t see this before. If I had seen it, I wouldn’t have felt such anger towards you. Let’s call a truce. But I would be interested in knowing why you want to convert people into your theological beliefs. I mean, if you believe Joseph Smith is a prophet that’s all well and good to me, especially if it leads you to leading a better life. However, why try to convince the world of it’s errors, like they are all wrong and you are all right?

Tommy
 
tommyberryhill said:
I am sorry that I didn’t see this before. If I had seen it, I wouldn’t have felt such anger towards you. Let’s call a truce.
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Truce between whom? Apostates and anti-Mormons don’t want a truce. They want a fight. And I am here to give them one! 😃
But I would be interested in knowing why you want to convert people into your theological beliefs. I mean, if you believe Joseph Smith is a prophet that’s all well and good to me, especially if it leads you to leading a better life. However, why try to convince the world of it’s errors, like they are all wrong and you are all right?
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That does not deserve a reply.

zerinus
 
As I told everybody in the other board, I am suspicious of any religion that claims to hold a monopoly on truth. I used to be a Seventh Day Adventist, and I now wish I had never gone there. I’m not a former Mormon, nor do I care if you practice that religion. What gets to me is that you are so full of hate for people who used to be part of your church and chose for whatever reason to leave it. I don’t feel hatred for anybody, because I know love is a higher law than hate. I don’t even feel hatred for Adventists or ex Catholics. But I hope you will be more charitable in the future.

Tommy
 
zerinus said:
]Some points to note here. I have never called a Catholic person an “apostate” just for being a “Catholic”. When I have applied that term to specific individuals, or set of individuals, I have used it in a very limited and narrow sense. By “apostate” I mean someone who leaves his church or religion, and then hates it, turns against it, wages war against it, and calls it all kinds of evil and hateful names.

zerinus
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This is not true dude. In another post, you placed me and a whole lot of other people in the same spiritual condition as apostates for refusing to convert to Mormonism. In other words, you told us we’re all going to hell unless we become Mormons.
 
Perhaps the only answer to these Mormon trolls like Zerinius is simply to ignore them.
 
zerinus said:
He quotes most often from the Bible for the same reasons that I do here. He was often challenged that his doctrines were not biblical; so he quotes from the Bible to prove that they were.

He used I Cor 15:29 to try unsuccesfully to legitimise Baptisms for the Dead. That is to say baptismd for people that have already died by the living. This is morose at best. The abilility to find a scripture or setting then twist it does not make it scriptural. When I was on my Mission (Yes, I was a Mormon) we taught that the Catholics were the Great Whore Church, and we were there to save them… at 19 years of full growth already!
I am enjoying your post. I hope you do not mind if I chime along. 🙂

In those days the Book of Mormon was not divided into chapters and verses, so he couldn’t exactly quote chapter and verse numbers. But he does occasionally make indirect references to its contents. Here is an example:

We would say to the brethren, seek to know God in your closets, call upon him in the fields. Follow the directions of the Book of Mormon, and pray over, and for your families, your cattle, your flocks, your herds, your corn, and all things that you possess; ask the blessing of God upon all your labors, and everything that you engage in. Be virtuous and pure; be men of integrity and truth; keep the commandments of God; and then you will be able more perfectly to understand the difference between right and wrong—between the things of God and the things of men; and your path will be like that of the just, which shineth brighter and brighter unto the perfect day.

This refers to the following verses in the current edition of the Book of Mormon:

Alma 34:

17 Therefore may God grant unto you, my brethren, that ye may begin to exercise your faith unto repentance, that ye begin to call upon his holy name, that he would have mercy upon you;

18 Yea, cry unto him for mercy; for he is mighty to save.

19 Yea, humble yourselves, and continue in prayer unto him.

20 Cry unto him when ye are in your fields, yea, over all your flocks.

21 Cry unto him in your houses, yea, over all your household, both morning, mid-day, and evening.

22 Yea, cry unto him against the power of your enemies.

23 Yea, cry unto him against the devil, who is an enemy to all righteousness.

24 Cry unto him over the crops of your fields, that ye may prosper in them.

25 Cry over the flocks of your fields, that they may increase.

26 But this is not all; ye must pour out your souls in your closets, and your secret places, and in your wilderness.

27 Yea, and when you do not cry unto the Lord, let your hearts be full, drawn out in prayer unto him continually for your welfare, and also for the welfare of those who are around you.

Interestingly, in the same passage he makes indirect references to other biblical passages as well, notably this one:

Proverbs 4:

18 But the path of the just is as the shining light, that shineth more and more unto the perfect day.

Joseph Smith was a great scriptorian, and his entire thought patterns were configured around the word of God. It was woven into his very soul, so that whatever he said had scriptural undercurrents running through them.

zerinus
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Mormons also believe that God was once a man just as we are, has a physical body right this minute, lives on a planet called Kolob, practices polygamy having many wives that give birth to spirit children that then come to earth. It is called Eternal Progression. Now, I would like any member of the LDS Church that read this to tell me this is not true. Caution, to deny this will make you unworthy of a temple reccomend.
 
zerinus said:
My question to you is, Have you actually read it? If you haven’t, I suggest that you read it first, and then come back to me with your questions.

zerinus
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Who needs to read it. In all politeness. Why don’t you not diflect and answer the question. asTo ask someone to read it is a foundational move in the conversion process. By the way, I had just as many people that read it say that it was of the Devil after they read it as said it was of God.

I have read it and know for a fact that it is right up there with Grimms Fairy Tales and Aesop Fables.

Don in Veg
 
Strevel said:
I had just as many people that read it say that it was of the Devil after they read it as said it was of God.

:eek: I am concerned that 50% of people would say that it is of God. Is it the King James English that leads them to make that decision? Where did you do your mission?

I have read it and know for a fact that it is right up there with Grimms Fairy Tales and Aesop Fables.

Don in Veg
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You praise it too much. Grimms Fairy Tales and Aesop Fables have moral content. I would rather compare it to “Mein Kampf”, although not as well written.

This is a good thread to resurrect. It makes the point that JS was not the primary author, given that he didn’t seem to know what was in it.
 
Jerusha said:
You praise it too much. Grimms Fairy Tales and Aesop Fables have moral content. I would rather compare it to “Mein Kampf”, although not as well written.

Yes, I agree. I served in the Oakland, CA area.

This is a good thread to resurrect. It makes the point that JS was not the primary author, given that he didn’t seem to know what was in it.
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Joseph Smith did not translate anything. He got an old writting, missidentified it, misstranslated it as we now can correctly translate it, and was just really missguided. Many people will miss heaven due to following his teachings and NOT following the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Pax Vobiscum,
Don in Vegas
 
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