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edward_george1
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When you lead with “Catholicism is false,” I don’t really have to watch the video to see what your modus operandi is, especially when the video has nothing to do with the topic.
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MrZoom
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theCardinalbird
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What does this video have to do with my original question?
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edward_george1
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I’m a priest, so odds are I probably am at least passingly familiar with the teachings of Jesus. Unless this is some “gotcha” piece that moves the goalposts so that no one has heard of it. And the fact that you led with “Catholicism is false” disinclines one from watching the video.
Also, weren’t you Catholic not long ago?
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Beryllos
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Does anyone have any thoughts on the original question?
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graciew
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Here is the Cathecism to help out.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a7.htm
As from 1601.
Still reading it…
Here is 1603
Marriage in the order of creation**
1603 "The intimate community of life and love which constitutes the married state has been established by the Creator and endowed by him with its own proper laws. . . . God himself is the author of marriage."87 The vocation to marriage is written in the very nature of man and woman as they came from the hand of the Creator. Marriage is not a purely human institution despite the many variations it may have undergone through the centuries in different cultures, social structures, and spiritual attitudes. These differences should not cause us to forget its common and permanent characteristics. Although the dignity of this institution is not transparent everywhere with the same clarity,88 some sense of the greatness of the matrimonial union exists in all cultures. "The well-being of the individual person and of both human and Christian society is closely bound up with the healthy state of conjugal and family life."89
And 1604:
1604** God who created man out of love also calls him to love the fundamental and innate vocation of every human being. For man is created in the image and likeness of God who is himself love.90 Since God created him man and woman, their mutual love becomes an image of the absolute and unfailing love with which God loves man. It is good, very good, in the Creator’s eyes. And this love which God blesses is intended to be fruitful and to be realized in the common work of watching over creation: "And God blessed them, and God said to them: ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it.’"91
But there is really more to read in the Cathecism about after the fall as well:
Marriage under the regime of sin
Marriage under the pedagogy of the Law
Marriage in the Lord
As from 1601 in the CCC.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a7.htm
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a7.htm
As from 1601.
Still reading it…
Here is 1603
Marriage in the order of creation**
1603 "The intimate community of life and love which constitutes the married state has been established by the Creator and endowed by him with its own proper laws. . . . God himself is the author of marriage."87 The vocation to marriage is written in the very nature of man and woman as they came from the hand of the Creator. Marriage is not a purely human institution despite the many variations it may have undergone through the centuries in different cultures, social structures, and spiritual attitudes. These differences should not cause us to forget its common and permanent characteristics. Although the dignity of this institution is not transparent everywhere with the same clarity,88 some sense of the greatness of the matrimonial union exists in all cultures. "The well-being of the individual person and of both human and Christian society is closely bound up with the healthy state of conjugal and family life."89
And 1604:
1604** God who created man out of love also calls him to love the fundamental and innate vocation of every human being. For man is created in the image and likeness of God who is himself love.90 Since God created him man and woman, their mutual love becomes an image of the absolute and unfailing love with which God loves man. It is good, very good, in the Creator’s eyes. And this love which God blesses is intended to be fruitful and to be realized in the common work of watching over creation: "And God blessed them, and God said to them: ‘Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth and subdue it.’"91
- Holy Scripture affirms that man and woman were created for one another: "It is not good that the man should be alone."92The woman, “flesh of his flesh,” his equal, his nearest in all things, is given to him by God as a “helpmate”; she thus represents God from whom comes our help.93 "Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother and cleaves to his wife, and they become one flesh."94 The Lord himself shows that this signifies an unbreakable union of their two lives by recalling what the plan of the Creator had been “in the beginning”: "So they are no longer two, but one flesh."95
But there is really more to read in the Cathecism about after the fall as well:
Marriage under the regime of sin
Marriage under the pedagogy of the Law
Marriage in the Lord
As from 1601 in the CCC.
http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c3a7.htm
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JerryZ
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That assertion flies on the face of the evidence. When a dispute arises about an important tenet of the faith then the Church has to step in to make sure the faithful are not led astray by heresies.
The history of the Church is full of examples. And marriage has not escaped it. The Church for 2000 years has ordained Deacons, Priests and Bishops and no one ever questioned, that one has to be a male to represent, the man, the Jesus, the Christ.
Then someone starts asking and agitating that it is “unfair”. A woman can represent a man, take it’s place in it’s masculinity.
Wrong! a man can take a man’s place and woman can take a woman’s place.
How many times was that question posed to the Church. St. Paul John II had to step in to laid this to rest. And still some people question it.
Same with marriage, up to 800 years ago there was no need to intervene but alas the complexities of the “modern” work required intervention. And the Church codified once and for all the issue. And yet there are still people who do not like the it. It is human nature.
The history of the Church is full of examples. And marriage has not escaped it. The Church for 2000 years has ordained Deacons, Priests and Bishops and no one ever questioned, that one has to be a male to represent, the man, the Jesus, the Christ.
Then someone starts asking and agitating that it is “unfair”. A woman can represent a man, take it’s place in it’s masculinity.
Wrong! a man can take a man’s place and woman can take a woman’s place.
How many times was that question posed to the Church. St. Paul John II had to step in to laid this to rest. And still some people question it.
Same with marriage, up to 800 years ago there was no need to intervene but alas the complexities of the “modern” work required intervention. And the Church codified once and for all the issue. And yet there are still people who do not like the it. It is human nature.
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jack63
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From CCC 1603
As for the Catholic church using priests to act as witnesses for marriage. This is new. It was developed between 1200 and 1500.
The Catechism acknowledges that some concepts of marriage are not simple and have not always been simple. There are permanent characteristics about marriage too. Honestly, I really did just read the CCC before I wrote that and paraphrased what I read. Some parts of marriage have always been sacramental no matter what the year was in history.
As for the Catholic church using priests to act as witnesses for marriage. This is new. It was developed between 1200 and 1500.
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graciew
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There used to be a little smiling guy in the old CAF that held a banner that read “Question answered”.
And that was it for that thread!
And that was it for that thread!
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