Did Martin Luther break his vow of Celibacy?

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ralphinal said:
Anyone can take a vow of celibacy. When you think about it, everyone is under a order of chastity: only sex with their properly married spouse. When you marry, the “forsaking all others” is a part of a vow of Chastity, a special version of Chastity that allows for one and only one sexual partner. The vow of celibacy adds to it a promise to God never to marry. Now, as far as I know, and I am not an expert on the exact words used, this vow is not tied specifically to the priesthood (i.e. so long as I am a priest). Therefore, he would have been held to that vow.

In the Catholic faith, a deacon can be married before he becomes a deacon. However, should his wife die, he can not remarry. His vow of Castity becomes one of celibacy.

It is my understanding that in the EO and other Churches that allow married priests, that same rule applies.

Generally, when a Catholic priest leaves the preisthood, they feel that they are released from all vows. In reality, and in Church Theology, all that leaving the preisthood does is have you leave your vocation. Any oaths made to God are still in effect. Priests are told that before they go.
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Thanks for the information! Wow, I had no idea it was that complex LOL
 
TriuneUnity said:
Thanks for the information! Wow, I had no idea it was that complex LOL
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It should be. Any time we take a vow before God, it should be serious enough and complex enough for us to fully understand but not so complex that there are loopholes.

Please note that this is not one of the issues that I have with Luther. If I take the most harsh stance that I can against him, when he left the Church, then was excommunicated, why should it bother anyone that he went back on his oath to God?

Luther was a complex man. He had internal and external issues that he had to contend with in his quest to reform Christianity. If this was the only charge against him, he was a better man that most that have ever lived.
 
ralphinal said:
It should be. Any time we take a vow before God, it should be serious enough and complex enough for us to fully understand but not so complex that there are loopholes.

Please note that this is not one of the issues that I have with Luther. If I take the most harsh stance that I can against him, when he left the Church, then was excommunicated, why should it bother anyone that he went back on his oath to God?

Luther was a complex man. He had internal and external issues that he had to contend with in his quest to reform Christianity. If this was the only charge against him, he was a better man that most that have ever lived.
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You’re too smart for your own good, that’s the problem.

It’s a drawback to us being Italian. Perfection is such a heavy burden to bear.
 
TriuneUnity said:
You’re too smart for your own good, that’s the problem.

It’s a drawback to us being Italian. Perfection is such a heavy burden to bear.
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Amen amen.

My Mother’s family think that St. Joseph was italian. Just to aggrivate them, I used the line from South PArk that if you wanted to blame anyone for the Crucifixion, it was the Italians. Pilot could have said “No.”

Not that it is 100% connected, but the book “Swear to God” by Scott Hann is a good one to see the nature of Vows and covenants. I have not seen him discuss this example, but it gives you an idea of why and how these are so serious. IT is also a good Bible outline of salvation.
 
ralphinal said:
Amen amen.

My Mother’s family think that St. Joseph was italian. Just to aggrivate them, I used the line from South PArk that if you wanted to blame anyone for the Crucifixion, it was the Italians. Pilot could have said “No.”

LOL… On the St. Joseph thing. I think my father (who was born and raised Catholic) reverted to saint veneration on the feast of San Gennaro in New York.
Not that it is 100% connected, but the book “Swear to God” by Scott Hann is a good one to see the nature of Vows and covenants. I have not seen him discuss this example, but it gives you an idea of why and how these are so serious. IT is also a good Bible outline of salvation.
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TriuneUnity said:
ralphinal;3999406:
Amen amen.

My Mother’s family think that St. Joseph was italian. Just to aggrivate them, I used the line from South PArk that if you wanted to blame anyone for the Crucifixion, it was the Italians. Pilot could have said “No.”

LOL… On the St. Joseph thing. I think my father (who was born and raised Catholic) reverted to saint veneration on the feast of San Gennaro in New York.

Scott Hahn is great when discussing the sacraments. I think he’s too influenced by his Presbyterian background with the covenant stuff, though :rolleyes:
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He probably is. It is still a good book.
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TriuneUnity said:
ralphinal;3999488:
The Lamb’s Supper was really, really good. His allusions and interpretations of the Book of Revelation and its relationship to the liturgy and the Sacrament of the Altar are absolutely awesome.
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The sad thing is that the people who need to read that the most, those who see Revelation only as how the world will end, are the ones that will never accept it because they have no sacraments.

I love that book.
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ralphinal said:
TriuneUnity;3999501:
The sad thing is that the people who need to read that the most, those who see Revelation only as how the world will end, are the ones that will never accept it because they have no sacraments.

I love that book.
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Because they fail to see that the vast majority of the Book is about the Church on earth now
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TriuneUnity said:
ralphinal;4002016:
Probably because they are, in fact, not taking it literally, but literalistically.
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That and scare stories sell tickets.

This would be a good topic for another thread. I thought about it while cooking dinner. IF Revelation is meant to show us exactly what happens at the end of the world and what leads up to it, isn’t is against the Teachings of Jesus about not worrying about it? If it is only about the end, isn’t it anti-Gospel?
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ralphinal said:
TriuneUnity;4002174:
That and scare stories sell tickets.

This would be a good topic for another thread. I thought about it while cooking dinner. IF Revelation is meant to show us exactly what happens at the end of the world and what leads up to it, isn’t is against the Teachings of Jesus about not worrying about it? If it is only about the end, isn’t it anti-Gospel?
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It is if you look at it through the lens of premillennial dispensationalism. For those of us who can read the book in light of everything else Scripture teaches, it is of the utmost comfort to those undergoing the persecutions of this age.
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TriuneUnity said:
ralphinal;4003380:
It is if you look at it through the lens of premillennial dispensationalism. For those of us who can read the book in light of everything else Scripture teaches, it is of the utmost comfort to those undergoing the persecutions of this age.
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Too true.

How about that. Some evangelists and fundamentalists are anti-Gospel and anti-Jesus because of Revelation. 😛
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Yeah, he did break the law of the Catholic Church and there’s also a movie about Martin Luther if you need more details about it, you can buy it at Walmart.
 
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