Did Mary experience labor pains?

[xtrememom]

According to Mary of Agreda (City of God) the birth of Christ was painless and miraculous.

 

[gelsbern]

michael777:

EVE the word means woman or of-man,
and God said to EVE (woman) that from EVES’ seed ( a womans egg)
the messaih would comewho would crush the serpents head.
God said this AFTER EVE had fallen not Before.
So he made that proclomation which cannot be changed to a fallen Being.
Yet it didnt Stop God from making it.

Actually the woman referred to in Genesis is a foretelling of Mary, it’s not talking about EVE at all.

Geneis 3:15 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.

Througout the Bible, the word seed is referred to for men, as women don’t have seed. BUT since Mary concieved by the Holy Ghost, using seed in her case would be perfectly logical.

Also it talks about the offspring, none of eve’s offspring had any power over Satan. Only Mary’s offspring (Jesus) did anything to “crush the head” of Satan.

So saying that it is Eve being referred to in the passage would be incorrect.

On a side note since Satan was given this foreknowledge, he attempted to lead people astray by imitating virgin births in many pagan religions, but this is for another topic.

 

[Tony_B]

Sorry everyone. I do not want to bring us back a few posts, please forgive, but I must.

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michael777,

you wrote:

Well, you obviously know nothing of these matters except what your Protestant pastors/teachers have told you.

I leant all this from God the bible and The holy spirit.
I had no one teaching me it except christ.

michael

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If I may take the liberty,

We all need a church, the bible, religious literature, parents, family, friends, the Holy Spirit, & teachers to help us learn about God. To better understand.

We must look in the mirror, question ourselves, as to what we are being taught or what we read, in order to build a strong foundation. As we grow so should our thoughts for the better. Religious teachers can be very helpful.

I found your opinions very strong and to the point (mostly). However, keep your mind open to continue learning, try new roads, and learn from teachers of all types.

Best of luck & I look fwd to seeing what else you post

 

[Huiou_Theou]

Hi all,
I couldn’t follow all of this thread, but it seems like some stuff I ran into before.

This is the what I think concerning Mary’s flesh:
Here

And this is what I think about labor pains:
labor pains study

Sorry if it is long.
Hope it helps.