Did Mother Mary have other children?

[Dokimas]

[SIGN]Randy’s post: “So, I have demonstrated from a historical perspective why the Catholic Church is infallible.”[/SIGN]​

Funny how history has proven how fallible the CC as is all churches.

 

[jericho777]

By virtue of our baptism, we are a holy priesthood, called to offer spiritual sacrifices to God in and through Christ, the principal Mediator who has made our participation in his mediation possible in accordance with the will of the Father (1Pet 2:5). Priests intercede for one another in and through Christ before God. When Paul wrote There is one mediator between God and man (1 Tim 2:5), he used the Greek word heis (one) with the intention of assuring us that Christ is the one who has paid a ransom for us all in strict justice (v.6) thereby reconciling the world with God. If the apostle had intended to teach us that Christ is the “only” mediator, then he would have used the Greek word monos. And he certainly wouldn’t have instructed us to make intercession for each other by our prayers and supplications to God. (1 Tim 2:1-2). Of course, Jesus doesn’t need our help, but God desires that we participate in his work of salvation to glorify the Son as his true disciples. The Blessed Virgin Mary is our model in the order of grace.

PAX :heaven:

Baptism is not mentioned as a prerequisite to the priesthood. Where as Jesus is the only one who can mediate our salvation. It is by His Holy blood that satisfies the requirements of the Father. His righteousness is the only one equal to the Father. Jesus’’ imputed righteousness makes us perfect to the Father. By virtue of His deity He is the only capable of mediating the new covenant. Only God can save ( Jesus is the OT definition of YHWH ben YHWH )

 

[Dokimas]

I can understand your emotion, but you have not understood my argument. An atheist denies all of the Truth; you deny a portion of it. Therefore, there is some degree of similarity.

My challenge is similar to yours. You must convince an atheist of the truth that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. I must convince you that Mary remained ever-virgin.

I can do the latter by first convincing you that the Church is infallible. You cannot do the former without that same infallible Church.

The fact of the matter is that the only thing anyone of us must be convinced of is that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the One Who died in our place. Then we must trust Him to save our lost soul and follow Him.​

Whether Mary remained a virgin or not plays NO part in our salvation. Believing that the Bread and Wine actually turn into the Body and Blood of Jesus plays NO part in our salvation. Believing the CC is infallible or not plays NO part in our salvation.​

There is a huge difference betwee an atheist and Kev. To say otherwise is foolishness.

 

[Dokimas]

Look at Gen 6,7and8 to see what the word until telling you

Justy, if you want to compare apples with apples stick with the use of ‘until’ in the NT. There are some posts on this thread (I think it was this thread) that shows verses that help to understand Matthew 1:25.

 

[RobbyS]

1. I know of NO denomination - Protestant or otherwise - that has a dogma of “Mary Had Lotsa Kids.” Yes, I think there are Protestants who have an opinion that she DID have other children - but such is simply their opinions. Some Protestants believe that Obama is a great president, too - they are entitled to their opinions.
2. I know of nothing in Scripture or from the earliest church that says anything dogmatic on this. There’s nothing I know of that clearly states, “Jesus was an only child!” and nothing that says, “MARY had _____ children in addition to Jesus.” Thus, MY reply would be that we simply don’t know.
3. I’m hard pressed to think of anything less relevant and more moot. To be blunt: who cares? What color hair did She have? How tall was She? Was She a good cook? How old was She when Jesus was born? I guess we can theorize about all this, but I’m left wondering why…

Thank you.

Pax

• Josiah

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It matters because “Mary ever Virgin” factors into the greater question: Who is Jesus?

 

[RobbyS]

[SIGN]Randy’s post: “So, I have demonstrated from a historical perspective why the Catholic Church is infallible.”[/SIGN]​

Funny how history has proven how fallible the CC as is all churches.

Infallible refers to the transmission of the true faith. Impeccable to its actions in history. The latter is clearly not the case; the former is, historically speaking, arguable. In another sense, however, it cannot be denied that it is still around.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

I’m interested in seeing exactly where you think the Catholic Church has been proven ‘fallible.’

What exactly has the Church taught that is ‘fallible’ in matters of faith and morals?

 

[rev_kevin]

It matters because “Mary ever Virgin” factors into the greater question: Who is Jesus?

How do you figure?

 

[Randy_Carson]

The fact of the matter is that the only thing anyone of us must be convinced of is that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, the One Who died in our place. Then we must trust Him to save our lost soul and follow Him.​

Whether Mary remained a virgin or not plays NO part in our salvation. Believing that the Bread and Wine actually turn into the Body and Blood of Jesus plays NO part in our salvation. Believing the CC is infallible or not plays NO part in our salvation.​

There is a huge difference betwee an atheist and Kev. To say otherwise is foolishness.

Your objections are noted.

 

[Bill_Pick]

Your premise is that we should ask those who have died and are in heaven to pray for us. There is no direct or indirect indication that we should petition them. Our only heavenly directed petition is to the Lord only.

Rom 15:30; 1 Tim 2: 1-3; 1 Cor 3:9; Phil 1;19; 1 Peter 2:5; James 5:16; Jude 23. These are directing us here on earth to pray for those around us. We are to petition the the Lord on behalf of the brethren and those in authority. We are to make our needs known to Jesus in heaven.

Does any one read what the Bible has to in Matt 12,26=27 Not the God of the deadd but the God of the living, We are all alive in Christ

 

[jericho777]

Does any one read what the Bible has to in Matt 12,26=27 Not the God of the deadd but the God of the living, We are all alive in Christ

Hi Bill you ment to say Mk 12:26-27 Very true God is the God of the living and not the dead. But how does this relate to our discussion about Marys other children?

 

[TEPO]

I’m confused about, “so I’ve replaced Jesus with his flock.”

this is what you said: "**Just like those who believe in God and not just a religion.

Read your Bible. It does not say you need to follow a church or religion for a sure path to heaven. I am the way the truth and the life, he who believes in me will not parish but have eternal life. So who is this way truth and life? Its not the CC its Christ. So ya your wrong."**

So you think I believe in my religion, or Church (flock) – as opposed to believing in God?

Or what did you really mean ?

 

[TEPO]

Rev,

Do you think it is important to reveal Mary’s “sexual nature” for some particular reason ? Do you think God needed this message to be clear for some reason ?

Or

Do you want to prove the Catholic Church fallible, so as to put all Christianity on an “equal playing field” ?

 

[rev_kevin]

this is what you said: "**Just like those who believe in God and not just a religion.

Read your Bible. It does not say you need to follow a church or religion for a sure path to heaven. I am the way the truth and the life, he who believes in me will not parish but have eternal life. So who is this way truth and life? Its not the CC its Christ. So ya your wrong."**

So you think I believe in my religion, or Church (flock) – as opposed to believing in God?

Or what did you really mean ?

You said that is was worded wrong or something to that affect. So all is cleared up.

 

[rev_kevin]

Rev,

Do you think it is important to reveal Mary’s “sexual nature” for some particular reason ? Do you think God needed this message to be clear for some reason ?

Or

Do you want to prove the Catholic Church fallible, so as to put all Christianity on an “equal playing field” ?

I have went through all my posts and I don’t see where I mentioned her “sexual nature.”
But as far as I see the op is, “Did Mother Mary have other children” correct?
So how do you expect an answer about this without someone revealing Mary"s “sexual nature?”
I don’t think God needs anything to be clear, do you? Besides this is not about God needing this message to be clear now is it? If the message isn’t clear the it should be discussed, right? Unless there is something to hide.
I believe the CC is fallible so its up to you to defend that it is infallible.
Shouldn’t we all be equal in God’s work and we shouldn’t be in competition over God’s work. I don’t think he would like that too much, do you?

Now I went through “The Mariun Dogmas” from the Catholic News Agency and found things to be interesting about the “Perpetual Virginity” part of the Mariun Dogmas."

 

[Bill_Pick]

[SIGN]Randy’s post: “So, I have demonstrated from a historical perspective why the Catholic Church is infallible.”[/SIGN]​

Funny how history has proven how fallible the CC as is all churches.

DoKimas, What prof do you have of this statment

 

[Good_Fella]

Your premise is that we should ask those who have died and are in heaven to pray for us. There is no direct or indirect indication that we should petition them. Our only heavenly directed petition is to the Lord only.

Rom 15:30; 1 Tim 2: 1-3; 1 Cor 3:9; Phil 1;19; 1 Peter 2:5; James 5:16; Jude 23. These are directing us here on earth to pray for those around us. We are to petition the the Lord on behalf of the brethren and those in authority. We are to make our needs known to Jesus in heaven.

Our heavenly Father already knows our spiritual and temporal needs before we even turn to him. So we cannot make known to him what he already knows. Scripture contains figurative language. But God wills that we acknowledge our needs and address them through his Son by the actual grace we receive to inspire us to pray. Another route is to make our needs “known” to our Lord by asking others to pray for us.

The Book of Revelation reveals that the saints in heaven intercede for us before God in and through Christ just as the saints on earth do. So, if we can ask the faithful on earth to pray for us, as Paul not only asked but exhorted them to pray for him, then naturally we can ask the saints in heaven to pray for us and should. The saints in heaven are living members of the mystical body of Christ who actually surround us in our midst (Heb 12:1).The heavenly host who praise God in the heights are the saints in heaven. Anyway, this topic shouldn’t be discussed here. I simply stated that Mary’s virginity lends more efficacy to her prayers and sacrifices for the spiritual welfare of humankind. I did not intend to start a debate over whether the saints in heaven and on earth can intercede for us by their prayers. So let’s end this discussion or continue on another appropriate thread.

 

[TEPO]

Shouldn’t we all be equal in God’s work and we shouldn’t be in competition over God’s work. I don’t think he would like that too much, do you?

I agree with you wholeheartedly… You see Rev, I love the Protestants… Because, I know the Catholic Faith is hard to follow… And if it weren’t for the Protestants, I honestly believe that the ‘Catholic Church on Earth’ (before the 2nd coming) would have been destroyed long ago.

You see, the Catholic faith is so hard to follow, that if there wasn’t an easier path for men of these generations, they would have simply become atheists… Or even Muslims.

So actually, the Protestants serve to protect the truths of Christianity… By forming rings around it that become easier and easier to follow. Until even homosexuals can serve to protect Christianity, by simply not being atheists or Muslims.

Perhaps we are all part of God’s plan. Just with different missions. Catholic’s serve God to maintain the ultimate (infallible) truths… While Protestants serve to protect the Holy Church and Christianity as a whole, while drawing in more souls. At the same time protecting the faith from atheism and Islam.

It is an amazing system that works… Perhaps God will reward us all ! I pray that He does !:byzsoc:

 

[TEPO]

So in the end, it does God no service to persuade Catholics (Rev Kev did not do this) that Mary was sexual, and that the Church is fallible…

As we are all part of the same system. It is God radiating out… It is the Holy Spirit…

 

[TEPO]

The question remaining: Why does the Holy Spirit provide different truths ??

Answer: He dosent… God provides 1 truth, it is just that the world diffuses it the farther it gets from the core (the Church)…

So the Protestants are Catholics -just faded into worldliness. Still a major part of the system…