Did Muhammed ascend or was he assumed?

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dolphinlove said:
So you respect a person who tries to deviate us from the truth and lead us down a false path? I certainly dont have any respect for a person like this.

Also, a person trying to, again, lead us from the true path of Christ and denying what he did for us is not disrespectful??? Not only is this disrespectful, its deceitful, dishonest and leading us down the wrong path… again.
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Still, on the other hand Islam has the same argument. So we simply can’t resolve the point at “don’t have any respect”. No respect is the issue in various ways.
 
The solution is to acknowledge our differences and leave them to their faith and Us to ours. It’s not a perfect solution. But if their honest they will respect it and honor our wishes as we’ll honor theirs. In short ecumenism. Either we’re right or their right. We’ll find out eventually.
 
gmcbroom said:
The solution is to acknowledge our differences and leave them to their faith and Us to ours. It’s not a perfect solution. But if their honest they will respect it and honor our wishes as we’ll honor theirs. In short ecumenism. Either we’re right or their right. We’ll find out eventually.
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Thing is, it may be perfect and our feelings on the matter may be imperfect. You would think, as large as these religions are, they would have some impact on world peace collectively. They do in the individual sense, but appear as unresolved conflict to the rest of mankind in the collective sense.

I don’t see any path but these major religions collectively working together for peace. Right now it appears they are ushering in the rise of evil. Without them surely the religious would have to conclude the man god path would on a world level usher in evil on a catastrophic path.
 
Hasantas…Welcome!

Regarding Muhammed’s ascension…I read that Muhammed rode by and saw Jerusalem but had no interest in it…that his ascension…if you look at the distance between Medina…and another mosque at that time…would have been about 10 miles.

Then when the Syrian Umayyids attacked and took over Jerusalem, a Caliph…Omar?..make a land stake by saying that Muhammed had risen from Jerusalem…so that Islam could make Jerusalem its holy site.

Yet at the time Muhammed was ascended into heaven…the very spot where it happened was actually the location of St. Mary Major of Justinian Catholic Church!!

Secondly, you state that it is good Muhammed rose…and then came back vs the situation of Christ rising but not returning…in the Gospel of John, it states that Jesus Christ raises all up to Himself…and you look at the modern world and its accomplishments…irregardless of who designed them…one cannot but believe there is something good at work in the improvement of mankind…learning, healthcare…social welfare…

Have you seen the latest scientific study on the Shroud of Turin…2009?..there was a second and most extensive study after the first study in our times said the cloth was from the 1500’s. The Shroud is allegedly that which wrapped Our Lord after His death and laid in a tomb…that has the markings of someone on the shroud. Anyway…it turns out the cloth was heavily handled on the sample taken to be used for carbon testing…alot of hands on that edge in the 1500’s…so the did a second test…and said it is remarkable in how the image was on the shroud, as well as the use of light…in the resurrection?..
 
dolphinlove said:
We do not consider muhammed as a prophet, to us he is a false prophet, and because we have been warned about false prophets, we do not respect him nor believe him.
You are disrespecting us when you state Jesus is not God, he is in fact part of the trinity which means he is the word of God.
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Our Lord commanded us to love our enemies, surely respect must play a role in this command?
 
Hasantas…

Another question came to me…where I think we share something of the same faith as One God Creator…I note that the Muslims have great veneration of the Mother of God, of her perpetual virginity.

Do you believe that the Blessed Mother rose into heaven as well? If that is your belief, then why could she ascend but not Christ, the Fulfillment of all Prophets…as we believe in Him?

Correct me if I am wrong.

God bless you!
 
KathleenGee said:
Hasantas…

Another question came to me…where I think we share something of the same faith as One God Creator…I note that the Muslims have great veneration of the Mother of God, of her perpetual virginity.

Do you believe that the Blessed Mother rose into heaven as well? If that is your belief, then why could she ascend but not Christ, the Fulfillment of all Prophets…as we believe in Him?

Correct me if I am wrong.

God bless you!
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She was humanbeing so She died as a human and She will get into Heavens but later as all other good humanbeings will be.

All spirits will ascend by God and nobody can ascend by himself. Neither Muhammed nor Jesus can ascend by themselves but only by power of God. But ıf Jesus is God as your claims than He does not need anybody else to ascend. As we know He could not do anything without Father(the unique God) then Jesus couldn’t be a God.

Jesus was a great prophet and God took Him into Heavens.
 
hasantas said:
She was humanbeing so She died as a human and She will get into Heavens but later as all other good humanbeings will be.

All spirits will ascend by God and nobody can ascend by himself. Neither Muhammed nor Jesus can ascend by themselves but only by power of God. But ıf Jesus is God as your claims than He does not need anybody else to ascend. As we know He could not do anything without Father(the unique God) then Jesus couldn’t be a God.

Jesus was a great prophet and God took Him into Heavens.
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Where is Mary’s grave now? The Quran has an entire Sarah dedicated to her so surely they would have secured the tomb of the mother of one of the “great prophets”?
 
Augustine3 said:
Where is Mary’s grave now? The Quran has an entire Sarah dedicated to her so surely they would have secured the tomb of the mother of one of the “great prophets”?
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Please show me the actual tomb that Jesus was buried in and the rock that was rolled away. This is a silly line of argument. Silly for me and just as silly for you.
 
According to Islamic teaching tradition the tomb of Mary is located at the Tomb of the Virgin Mary in the Kidron Valley at the foot of the Mt. of Olives. My copy and paste feature is busted, but the Orthodox church actually has the Tomb.
 
GaryTaylor said:
Is this all there is? What is considered to have actually happened? I see there are different views, what is the standard Islamic view?
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In reality, the best bet is that Mohammed descended…into Hell where all founders of demonic movements are destined.
 
hasantas said:
Muhammed was ascend with His body to not merely only Heavens but to a place where nobody could go althoug Jibril(Gabriel). that is Sunna thought.
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What about his tomb in Al-Masjid al-Nabawi in Madina ?
 
By ascend vs assumed are you getting at whether or not he did it under his own power?

For instance, as Catholics we would say Jesus ascended of his own power but Mary was assumed (not of her own power). In that case out of the two I would think that the answer would be assumed but I’m not sure what the actual Islamic belief is as I thought there was a burial place also.
 
McCartney said:
I should have put a LOL at the end to subdue the situation. On a serious note, I believe (and I may be wrong) that Mohammed was poisoned by his slave girl because he killed her husband. His friend died immediately but he lived a few years with the poison in him. According to Muslims he ascended into heaven.
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McCartney, this is what Aisha (his wife) alleges in order to deflect blame away from herself. We understand that Muhammad (s) was in perfect health in the 3 years or so before he died. We also know the effects of poison are immediate. it doesn’t linger in the body for 3 years before killing someone. We believe Aisha killed him by the order of her father Abu Bakr who later went on to become the 1st Caliph. The Caliphate system is nothing more than a coup d’etat for political gain. This is the same Caliphate system ISIS is trying to build in the middle east and we want nothing to do with it.
 
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