Did "our technology" exist in ages past?

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“Vanity of vanities! All is vanity. What advantage does man have in all his work which he does under the sun? That which has been is that which will be, and that which has been done is that which will be done. So there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which one might say, ‘See this, it is new’? Already it has existed for ages which were before us. There is no remembrance of earlier things, and also of the later things which will occur; there will be for them no remembrance among those who will come later still.”
–Ecclesiastes 1:2-3, 7-11

Consider the last time you forgot something considered insightful but came to remember it at a later date. Had the insight been forgotten in a complete state of amnesia, you would likely think that you were discovering the insight for the first time. Consider the possibility that mankind is now experiencing a state of amnesia. Perhaps our “discoveries” here on earth are not really our discoveries after all.
I believe, with the wisdom he gained concerning materialism and earthly pleasures, etc, Solomon would be impressed with a cell phone for about an hour max, then go back to his enlightened lament, “Vanity of vanities…there’s nothing new under the sun.”
 
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The other problem is a desire for novelty that continues to this day.

Acts 17:21 (All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.) NIV

We’re living in “modern” times? Human nature hasn’t changed in 2,000 years. Take away our tech now, and we’re back there overnight.

Ed
 
Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The other problem is a desire for novelty that continues to this day.

Acts 17:21 (All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.) NIV

We’re living in “modern” times? Human nature hasn’t changed in 2,000 years. Take away our tech now, and we’re back there overnight.

Ed
You are exactly right, I was just reading something recently that was saying, with all our high tech modern equipment and electronic equipment today, the only way to really guarantee information or our history to continue on to future generations is STILL to carve it into rocks!! Sure we could put it all on a disc, or other high tech data storage, but without electricity or temperature controlled areas, these things would not survive long.

Suddenly take away electricity alone, and the world goes right back to the times Jesus walked the earth, people would have the instincts to get by, they would start growing food, making horse drawn wagons, making clothes from animal skins, etc. pretty amazing imo.
 
When people think of rain they naturally think about water, but the rainfall and great flood could have been nuclear fallout. Noah loading the animals into the ark could have been accomplished with DNA samples and the ark itself could have been underground. Laugh as you may but the story of Noah sounds absurd as written and taken literally. There has to be more to it than we think. How could people have functioned 2000-3000 years ago? Imagine having to make a simple needle and thread for sewing. Thinking that we evolved is lunacy.
 
You are exactly right, I was just reading something recently that was saying, with all our high tech modern equipment and electronic equipment today, the only way to really guarantee information or our history to continue on to future generations is STILL to carve it into rocks!! Sure we could put it all on a disc, or other high tech data storage, but without electricity or temperature controlled areas, these things would not survive long.

Suddenly take away electricity alone, and the world goes right back to the times Jesus walked the earth, people would have the instincts to get by, they would start growing food, making horse drawn wagons, making clothes from animal skins, etc. pretty amazing imo.
You are right. The storage materials for information would decay, and even if some were found, would those finding it know how to read it?

Ed
 
Just a small reminder: To this day it is not know who invented the wheel. Scientist are indicating they have found indications of an alternate universe that has Leaked into this universe. So who can prove or disprove that there are or may be alternate civilizations or technologies? God can and does what God deems to be. We just do not know.
 
You are exactly right, I was just reading something recently that was saying, with all our high tech modern equipment and electronic equipment today, the only way to really guarantee information or our history to continue on to future generations is STILL to carve it into rocks!! Sure we could put it all on a disc, or other high tech data storage, but without electricity or temperature controlled areas, these things would not survive long.

Suddenly take away electricity alone, and the world goes right back to the times Jesus walked the earth, people would have the instincts to get by, they would start growing food, making horse drawn wagons, making clothes from animal skins, etc. pretty amazing imo.
And even then, who’s to say that those rocks won’t erode or get weathered? Nothing is permanent, really.
 
Patrick 457, I don’t usually go to links but I had a feeling yours would be good.

Here’s what I have to say:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

It’s too much!
Never did like them much although I know they INVENTED EVERYTHING FIRST!

Will be forwarding to my brother who also writes for a jazz magazine and knows all about music. He’ll be surprised to learn that the group was not comprised of Paul. John, Ringo and George!!

Think of this though:
All music we know of is composed with just 7 notes.
7 is the number of God.

THANKS!
Fran
 
You are exactly right, I was just reading something recently that was saying, with all our high tech modern equipment and electronic equipment today, the only way to really guarantee information or our history to continue on to future generations is STILL to carve it into rocks!! Sure we could put it all on a disc, or other high tech data storage, but without electricity or temperature controlled areas, these things would not survive long.

Suddenly take away electricity alone, and the world goes right back to the times Jesus walked the earth, people would have the instincts to get by, they would start growing food, making horse drawn wagons, making clothes from animal skins, etc. pretty amazing imo.
… as a man once said, ‘nothing survives but art’.
 
Oh, I definitely believe all these modern things we have today are nothing new, times just repeat themselves over and over again, that bible verse just confirms it.

Its very easy to see proof of this, just look at some of the structures ancient people have built, we are still trying to figure out how they built much of it, plus, some of it, we cannot even duplicate today…thats pretty impressive imo!
Yes, there is some ancient technology we cannot duplicate today. Or figure out.

Ed
 
you see those are things I like to hear about… if you would point me in the direction.
Im not sure on the spelling, but there is ancient city called ‘puma punka’, there are many extremely large, totally square blocks with very intricate ‘lines’ carved into them, kinda like lego blocks, they were meant to fit together, these have been tested and measured by all kinds of modern instruments and all agree, it could not be duplicated today with modern tools. Theres a few other such ancient cities with things like this as well.

I find these kinds of things fascinating too.
 
Im not sure on the spelling, but there is ancient city called ‘puma punka’, there are many extremely large, totally square blocks with very intricate ‘lines’ carved into them, kinda like lego blocks, they were meant to fit together, these have been tested and measured by all kinds of modern instruments and all agree, it could not be duplicated today with modern tools. Theres a few other such ancient cities with things like this as well.

I find these kinds of things fascinating too.
Where was this? I’m curious.
 
Im not sure on the spelling, but there is ancient city called ‘puma punka’, there are many extremely large, totally square blocks with very intricate ‘lines’ carved into them, kinda like lego blocks, they were meant to fit together, these have been tested and measured by all kinds of modern instruments and all agree, it could not be duplicated today with modern tools. Theres a few other such ancient cities with things like this as well.

I find these kinds of things fascinating too.
Speaking as an architecture student, they most certainly could be replicated today. Unfortunately, we rely so much on our technology, we’ve lost that value we used to place in craftsmanship. Look at any of the rococo churches or Gothic cathedrals. We can’t replicate that nowadays. You’d still need to find a master and dedicate your life’s work to that specific pursuit, but we’re still capable of those things.

These blocks specifically… It’s important to bear in mind that, in those times, people didn’t wake up at 7, grab a coffee, go to work until 5-6, and then go home. If there was a public works project the king decided he wanted done, and you were a peasant laborer, you wake up, carve your block exactly as specified, go to sleep, and repeat until either the block is finished or you’ve died of old age, whichever comes first. Wikipedia has some information about the actual carving of the blocks themselves.

I took a stonecarving class last semester with a local master sculptor. It’s hard work, and it’s a difficult process, but even getting a perfectly straight line or hole in a piece of stone is nowhere near impossible, it just takes skill, dedication, and motivation. And practice and callouses.
 
Speaking as an architecture student, they most certainly could be replicated today. Unfortunately, we rely so much on our technology, we’ve lost that value we used to place in craftsmanship. Look at any of the rococo churches or Gothic cathedrals. We can’t replicate that nowadays. You’d still need to find a master and dedicate your life’s work to that specific pursuit, but we’re still capable of those things.

These blocks specifically… It’s important to bear in mind that, in those times, people didn’t wake up at 7, grab a coffee, go to work until 5-6, and then go home. If there was a public works project the king decided he wanted done, and you were a peasant laborer, you wake up, carve your block exactly as specified, go to sleep, and repeat until either the block is finished or you’ve died of old age, whichever comes first. Wikipedia has some information about the actual carving of the blocks themselves.

I took a stonecarving class last semester with a local master sculptor. It’s hard work, and it’s a difficult process, but even getting a perfectly straight line or hole in a piece of stone is nowhere near impossible, it just takes skill, dedication, and motivation. And practice and callouses.
Hi Kurisu

Interesting. Yes, and many of those churches you mention took even over 100 yrs to finish. I think our generation would run out of patience!

You might like visiting Pietrasanta One day. Much marble sculpting. Near Carrara on the Western coast of Italy, near Lucca. Not much architecture, though. Big cities for that.
And NYC. Never ceases to amaze me.

Nuff of that.

Fran
 
I think Ecclesiastes is mostly about the highest art, self-management, and Nature in the world around us.

Technology, like logic, is a subsidiary art. I think it only comes into the thread because it was the other half of Robert’s “twin question”.

Having to turn up, repeatedly, in someone else’s country, doesn’t make anyone a “master race”. Life isn’t like the “Gothic novels”.

The Tibetans used to be reputed to have some abstruse arts, which don’t matter really. They were presumably brought up the river valleys.
 
Im not sure on the spelling, but there is ancient city called ‘puma punka’, there are many extremely large, totally square blocks with very intricate ‘lines’ carved into them, kinda like lego blocks, they were meant to fit together, these have been tested and measured by all kinds of modern instruments and all agree, it could not be duplicated today with modern tools. Theres a few other such ancient cities with things like this as well.

I find these kinds of things fascinating too.
Found it: Pumapunku.
 
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