Did Padre Pio do novus ordo masses?

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foolishmortal:
I think it matters because all Catholics who are neo-con or traditionalist, I believe, honors St. Pio. He could read souls, he had the stigmata and had the graces to do other amazing things because he had the humility of obedience and of other forms of humility to utilize them as a willing tool of the Lord’s Will. If facing the people were something corrupt in itself or could lead people away from God, he would never have done that. Nevertheless, facing the reredo with a crucifix and tabernacle and leading us towards those images of Christ is, I feel, a better thing for our souls.
My question came from not seeing the people but wondering how we saw his face upfront as if there was a hole in the reredo.
If I’m not mistaken Padre Pio died well before the implementation of the Novus Ordo Mass. The only Mass he could have celebrated other than the Traditional was the interim Mass which had much more in common with the Traditional than with the Novus Ordo.
 
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Pentecost2005:
Why does it matter? If, in fact, it does…
It really dosen’t, except that some people have an almost obsession with the ad orientum orientation.
 
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ByzCath:
You can think as you wish but until you show a picture that includes the lay people in it your pictures are inconclusive, there just is not enought information in then to make a 100% conclusion.

Then we must add in the fact that a picture is just a shot of a very small moment in time. Just becuase St Padre Pio is facing the people at the moment the picture was taken does not mean he facing that way for the whole Mass.

Actually this proves nothing as it is obviously at the point of the Mass for the distribution of the Eucharist. I believe that Communion has always been given with the priest facing the people.

But again, it proves nothing, and anyways, Pentecost said it best.

It really doesn’t matter one bit becasue no matter what was done St Pio did it according to the rite he was celebrating.
“Chatter163’s” analysis pretty much shuts-down whatever concerns you had. Saint Pio did indeed celebrate the Mass versus populum.
 
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What about this picture, third row, last picture.

Though, I’m with Pentecost2005… Does it even matter?

Do we need division within ourselves over such foolish matters?
Who cares how he celebrated… I wouldn’t doubt if he did it in many ways throughout his great Life.
Heck, a Priest could say a Mass Upside if he wishes, as long as the Mass is being said 👍

As St. Pio said, "I belong entirely to everyone. Everyone can say, “Padre Pio is mine.”
 
AltarMan said:
“Chatter163’s” analysis pretty much shuts-down whatever concerns you had. Saint Pio did indeed celebrate the Mass versus populum.

Not to keep beating a dead horse http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/deadhorse.gif but, again, that picture is at communion time at a Wedding.

I will say it again, I believe that the priest always faces the people at communion time.

But I will agree with you on your answer to Pentecost…
It really dosen’t, except that some people have an almost obsession with the ad orientum orientation.
 
How can you tell anything from that wedding photo? I recall seeing some video of him somewhere. He was saying mass at a freestanding altar.
 
Not to keep beating a dead horse http://www.rr-bb.com/images/smilies/deadhorse.gif but, again, that picture is at communion time at a Wedding.

I will say it again, I believe that the priest always faces the people at communion time.

But I will agree with you on your answer to Pentecost…
I commented on two different pictures, only one of which was a wedding picture. I listed three different points, and none of them would in any way be obviated by the fact that one picture was of a Missa Nuptialis. There has been no response to those three points.

Of course it does not matter whether St. Pio celebrated Mass versus populum or not. Though one individual was quite adamantly (and erroneously) insisting that St. Pio never did this, the rest of us were simply discussing the photos and exhibiting our love (OK, even mania) for liturgical minutiae. There was no greater issue at stake of which I am aware, nor do I see anything wrong with discussing it. 😃
 
CatholicCid

There must be divisions over some things–just not ones that divide us from the Mystical Body of Christ. If you care about things being done right, then that love for God in providing Him the best possible worship of Himself will will lead those with different viewpoints to argue. Charity is what keeps divisions from becoming enmity unnecessarily. The Church decided to do things differently for better or worse. If there was no hostility intended towards traditional Catholics or far-left Catholics then the latter (provided they are the ones of each who broke away) unnecessarily felt an enmity towards their brothers running Vatican 2.
Still, it may have prevented unnecessary divisions over “small” things if the Vatican 2 Fathers hadn’t touched the liturgy or if they had listened to Archbishop Lebebvre’s concerns, thus limiting the radicalism that would follow greatly, I think (though that is a retrospect the Vatican 2 popes didn’t have the luxury to see but one which they apparently didn’t have a gift of prophesy–or is it understanding–to realize). Then, I think we got unnecessary divisions over “small” things by allowing the vernacular in Masses (so that we couldn’t go to any country and know what’s being said), moving holy days that fell on weekdays to Sunday (thus creating less days for many to go to Mass if they don’t have to) and allowing folk culture of different regions and country to infiltrate the liturgies (see: use of vernacular). I don’t think we are dividing ourselves over little things though. We are all here and Catholic.
You might read “Ugly as Sin” to see if those “small” things are really so small and whether a Mass said any way is still the Mass. I think, on the other hand, unless the N.O. becomes like EWTN’s or at least the folksiness gets omitted from architecture, priest’s greetings, music, etc., the traditional Mass is the healthy Mass for the soul. It and its culture are directed to the praise of God, which our souls are giving less and less of with these renovations, I think. Still, according to Michael Davies, beloved by all pretty much all traditionalists, the 1970 Missal, at least in its Latin translation, could not have been drafted if it could have brought down the Church (though nothing was said about church architecture or music, if I remember correctly)–but who’s saying it, in its English translation, is even being followed correctly in most churches? The liberals will never be satisfied–which is, I believe, the concern of Lefebvre (as modernism was nothing new) despite his illegal actions, unconstructive to the unity of the Church, some time afterwards.
 
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