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Hello,
So I know the anti-Catholic claim that Pope Leo X said “What profit has not that fable of
Christ brought us!” And i’m quite sure from my research that HE DID NOT say this at all, but it was an invention… so im clear on that, but I came across this on the web:
groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/soc.history.ancient/NiKwZ9dNcVE
QUESTION:
Is this true? Is this a lie?
Pope Leo X said: "What profit has not that fable of
Christ brought us!"15
15 The Woman’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets, by Barbara
Walker, p. 471. Rev. Taylor, in The Diegesis, reports a slightly
different version of Leo X’s admission: “It was well known how
profitable this fable of Christ has been to us.” (footnote, p.
35.)
curiously
nox
ANSWER:
Well, the quotation, as given, is, indeed, documented – but it is** from
Alexander VI (1492-1503), not Leo X (1513-1521)**. The original can be found
in Johannes Burchard, <Johannis Burchardi Argentinensis Capelle Pontificie
Sacrorum Rituum Magistri Diarium, sive Rerum Urbanarum Commentarii
(1483-1506)>, edited by L Thuasne, 3 vols. (Paris: E. Leroux, 1883-1885).
I think you will find the passage near the front of volume three, in the
material Burchard records on the Jubilee of 1500.
Of course, Burchard’s portrait of Alexander is highly unflattering, since
he did not advance in his career under the Borgia pope – so his
commentary must be taken with a grain of salt.
So I did some research and I cannot fnd one supporting web site that mentions the quote being from Pope Alexander and not Leo (whose supposed quote was an invention in the first place).
I did find the document this person is referring to here:
play.google.com/books/reader?id=-MILAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&authuser=0&hl=en_GB&pg=GBS.PP9
BUT I DON’T READ LATIN!
So I cannot confirm this accusation. I did a google translate on the word “fable” and “myth” and “profit” and searched the document but came up empty. So either I have the wrong document (which I doubt) or this person was wrong. I also know that the editor of this diary, a Frenchman by the name of L. THUASNE seems to be responsible for other hostile information concerning Pope Alexander, including depictions of other terrible things I wont mention here, so im a little confused.
I know the web in general is full of anti-Catholic lies, and this is the only comment that i can find on the web that links Pope Alexander to this quote VI.
I know this Pope wasn’t exactly a model Pope, so one could make the connection I suppose, but the single reference to it on the web seems dubious, especially because I can’t read the document he points to or know the exact wording of the supposed quote.
**My question then:
Does anyone read Latin who can confirm or deny the claim that Pope Alexander said this from this document, or any other document for that matter? **
Can someone refute this for me, is this just simply another terrible anti-Catholic attack?
Thanks
So I know the anti-Catholic claim that Pope Leo X said “What profit has not that fable of
Christ brought us!” And i’m quite sure from my research that HE DID NOT say this at all, but it was an invention… so im clear on that, but I came across this on the web:
groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/soc.history.ancient/NiKwZ9dNcVE
QUESTION:
Is this true? Is this a lie?
Pope Leo X said: "What profit has not that fable of
Christ brought us!"15
15 The Woman’s Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets, by Barbara
Walker, p. 471. Rev. Taylor, in The Diegesis, reports a slightly
different version of Leo X’s admission: “It was well known how
profitable this fable of Christ has been to us.” (footnote, p.
35.)
curiously
nox
ANSWER:
Well, the quotation, as given, is, indeed, documented – but it is** from
Alexander VI (1492-1503), not Leo X (1513-1521)**. The original can be found
in Johannes Burchard, <Johannis Burchardi Argentinensis Capelle Pontificie
Sacrorum Rituum Magistri Diarium, sive Rerum Urbanarum Commentarii
(1483-1506)>, edited by L Thuasne, 3 vols. (Paris: E. Leroux, 1883-1885).
I think you will find the passage near the front of volume three, in the
material Burchard records on the Jubilee of 1500.
Of course, Burchard’s portrait of Alexander is highly unflattering, since
he did not advance in his career under the Borgia pope – so his
commentary must be taken with a grain of salt.
So I did some research and I cannot fnd one supporting web site that mentions the quote being from Pope Alexander and not Leo (whose supposed quote was an invention in the first place).
I did find the document this person is referring to here:
play.google.com/books/reader?id=-MILAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&output=reader&authuser=0&hl=en_GB&pg=GBS.PP9
BUT I DON’T READ LATIN!
So I cannot confirm this accusation. I did a google translate on the word “fable” and “myth” and “profit” and searched the document but came up empty. So either I have the wrong document (which I doubt) or this person was wrong. I also know that the editor of this diary, a Frenchman by the name of L. THUASNE seems to be responsible for other hostile information concerning Pope Alexander, including depictions of other terrible things I wont mention here, so im a little confused.I know the web in general is full of anti-Catholic lies, and this is the only comment that i can find on the web that links Pope Alexander to this quote VI.
I know this Pope wasn’t exactly a model Pope, so one could make the connection I suppose, but the single reference to it on the web seems dubious, especially because I can’t read the document he points to or know the exact wording of the supposed quote.
**My question then:
Does anyone read Latin who can confirm or deny the claim that Pope Alexander said this from this document, or any other document for that matter? **
Can someone refute this for me, is this just simply another terrible anti-Catholic attack?
Thanks
