The Church in her wisdom, states that there is hope for all Non-Catholics that they may see the beatific vision, and attain a place in the kingdom, especially those of the Abrahamic tradition, as we worship the same God, even if the Jews and Muslims are mistaken about his nature.
that goes against what the Bible says about you don’t know the Father unless you know the Son and salvation can only be attained by Jesus and serving him, all else is idol worship
The Catholic Church WROTE the Bible; they’re not in opposition to each other.
yes i know the RCC wrote the Bible but still this just seems in opposition, and what this statement is saying is that all people go to Heaven and theres no need to worship Jesus
I don’t think that’s what is being said. I think what’s being said is that all who come to the Father come through Christ, but that Christ determines how this happens.
but muslims deny Jesus as God which is sin so they cant come to the Father
Again, read the catechism. Follow what the Church teaches rather than one’s own whims and interpretations.
This is an article by a leading Catholic apologist that explains what the catechism says about Islam.
My apologies. There was a woman in a different thread who confused me with someone else and I thought it was spreading
I lived as a kid in Istanbul, and also in Ankara, as my family moved with my step dad’s work. Traditionally, Muslims remove their shoes, and even wash their feet before entering a mosque. There is always a foot washing station outside. If it is a big mosque, then there is a long line of foot washing stations. At the big tourist attraction mosques, such as the Blue Mosque, they give out little paper shoe covers which you may wear instead of removing your shoes.I read he did face Mecca and did remove his shoes in both mosques. Granted, that was in the secular press.
Removing shoes in a mosque is traditional, just as covering the head in a synagogue. For mosques there’s actually a core practical reason - people don’t want to prostrate on floors that people have tracked mud on
Although I understand that the symbolism of “praying toward Mecca” might be alarming to a non-Muslim, it’s actually not “praying towards a Muslim symbol” but rather praying towards the Ka’aba. The Ka’aba (that black square building you see when TV news shows Mecca) contains an altar that according to Muslim tradition was built by Abraham. Muslims face the altar when they pray (regardless of where they are). The city of Mecca is not important - it’s the altar of Abraham.
So you could just as easily say the Pope faced the altar of Abraham when he prayed.
Actually, whether he was facing Jerusalem or facing Mecca, he was facing towards one of the symbols of one of the other great Abrahamic faiths (Judaism or Islam, respectively).
This is important.
Jews and muslims might be mistaken if that is how you want to put it, but the teachings in their respective religions flat out denies Jesus as the Christ. Abraham is our father in faith but not a father of a faith (as in a religion as in Judaism, Christianity, islam etc etc ). “Abrahamic tradition,” “Abrahamic religions” they are just plain Syncretist code words, no two ways about it. Yes, the Scriptures mention Abraham, the promise made to him and his faith, but then again it also shows that making a claim to him And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for I tell you, God is able from these stones to raise up children for Abraham. Mathew 3:9
Yet another excellent post, well-grounded in the Catholic faith.
Your preaching to the Choir, I hold that ordinarily there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church, however WE can not even begin to think we know the will of God, may Jews, Muslims etc enter Heaven? If God wills it yes of course they can, I stated what the Church says not my opinion but that of the Holy Church.
There is a distinction to be made between pre-Christian religions like paganism and post-Christian religions like islam. The difference between say pagan religions at the time of the apostles and with islam is that the pagans did not hear of Christ, and their pagan belief system made no comment within it concerning Jesus as the Christ. Even you said as long as it does not cause scandal. Some of the passages in the koran and some of the teaching of islam are scandalous especially concerning the nature of Jesus. (and one should note neo-paganism found in the modern world is a post-Christian belief system.)
There is no truth in the non-Christian religions only the Law as written on their hearts this includes Muslims. The Christians only have the Truth. The Catholic Church is trying to be politically correct instead of calling a spade a spade. At least the LC-MS doesn’t allow any joint worship or praying with non-Christians.
With all due respect, the Catholic Church teaches otherwise, and honors truth wherever it is found, even within Lutheranism.There is no truth in the non-Christian religions only the Law as written on their hearts this includes Muslims. The Christians only have the Truth. The Catholic Church is trying to be politically correct instead of calling a spade a spade. At least the LC-MS doesn’t allow any joint worship or praying with non-Christians.
I admire your diligence to the official Catholic doctrine.
I’ll warn you at the outset that I am going to be blunt.There is no truth in the non-Christian religions only the Law as written on their hearts this includes Muslims. The Christians only have the Truth. The Catholic Church is trying to be politically correct instead of calling a spade a spade. At least the LC-MS doesn’t allow any joint worship or praying with non-Christians.
