Did Relativism start from Protestantism?

[ralphinal]

No, incidence it the rate of abortion within the group. In that data Protestants account for more abortions in absolute terms, but that’s unsurprising because there are almost twice as many Protestants as Catholics in the US. Abortion rate corrects for this difference by giving you the incidence of abortion. In this case it’s generally expressed as abortions per 1000. That is, for every 1000 women belonging to some group, how many of them had an abortion in the past year.

From the table I linked, the rates are as follow for the year 2000:

Protestant: 18
Catholic: 22
Other: 31
None: 30

That is, for every 1000 Protestant women between the ages of 15 and 44 in 2000, 18 of them had abortions. For every 1000 Catholic women between the ages of 15 and 44, 22 had abortions. In absolute terms, there were more Protestant abortions than Catholic abortions, but that is because there are more Protestants in the US period, not because Protestants are more likely to seek an abortion (the data shows that the reverse is true).

I wonder if 18 to 22 is a statistically significant difference. Depending on the method and other factors, it may not be. I did not see any conclusions to that end in the article.

 

[Prime]

No, incidence it the rate of abortion within the group. In that data Protestants account for more abortions in absolute terms, but that’s unsurprising because there are almost twice as many Protestants as Catholics in the US. Abortion rate corrects for this difference by giving you the incidence of abortion. In this case it’s generally expressed as abortions per 1000. That is, for every 1000 women belonging to some group, how many of them had an abortion in the past year.

From the table I linked, the rates are as follow for the year 2000:

Protestant: 18
Catholic: 22
Other: 31
None: 30

That is, for every 1000 Protestant women between the ages of 15 and 44 in 2000, 18 of them had abortions. For every 1000 Catholic women between the ages of 15 and 44, 22 had abortions. In absolute terms, there were more Protestant abortions than Catholic abortions, but that is because there are more Protestants in the US period, not because Protestants are more likely to seek an abortion (the data shows that the reverse is true).

Using the same statistics in US, this leads to the following comparison with other countries:
Protestants in US 18 per 1000
Catholics in US 22 per 1000
Catholics in Spain 2 per 1000
Catholics in Brazil 5 per 1000

The above comparison still leads to the same result: that under Protestant society sach as in US, relativism rules the day.

 

[Prime]

a_mirror_dimly said it perfectly. Convenient that you either left his statistics off or didn’t bother to research them at all. This whole thread is a just your nice little way of bashing protestants. I could easily skew statistics and bash the rcc but I have better sense than that. Bickering and attacking gets us nowhere. At least have the decency to just come out and say you think protestants are responsible for relativism instead of asking others for their opinions.

Not so fast. Please hold your own vitriols and attacks. :tsktsk:
Read my post on comparison with non-US Catholic abortions.
It still shows Protestant society in US produced more abortion-prone Christians than in other Christian countries.
Look at this comparison of Abortion incidence:
Protestants in US 18 per 1000
Catholics in US 22 per 1000
Catholics in Spain 2 per 1000
Catholics in Brazil 5 per 1000

Some people just couldn’t distinguish between going through deductive reasoning and going ballistic at the drop of a piece of statistics.

 

[reteeks21]

Not so fast. Please hold your own vitriols and attacks. :tsktsk:
Read my post on comparison with non-US Catholic abortions.
It still shows Protestant society in US produced more abortion-prone Christians than in other Christian countries.
Look at this comparison of Abortion incidence:
Protestants in US 18 per 1000
Catholics in US 22 per 1000
Catholics in Spain 2 per 1000
Catholics in Brazil 5 per 1000

Some people just couldn’t distinguish between going through deductive reasoning and going ballistic at the drop of a piece of statistics.

You have used the post for the purpose of asserting that we are responsible for more abortions than anyone. It is not attack on my part by pointing out the obvious. You have stated that protestants have more abortions, and you haven’t mentioned any other ideas that could be attributed to relativism. This is nothing more than an attempt to bach protestants.

I did go through deductive reasoning, and it took right to you. I could point fingers at catholics on many issues, but going so low as to blame us for the advent of abortion is insane and ridiculous.

Statistics also said that Dewey was going to beat Truman, but that didn’t work out. Statistics also said that Carter was beating Reagan right up until the election. Statistics also point out that more catholics voted for the most pro-death candidate in our history, but you have failed to give an explanation for that one. If you want to blame us just do it. Stop hiding behind statistics.

Going ballistic would be pointing fingers and calling catholics the whore of babylon. All I have done is challenge you on your assertions and you have yet to respond to them.

 

[a_mirror_dimly]

Using the same statistics in US, this leads to the following comparison with other countries:
Protestants in US 18 per 1000
Catholics in US 22 per 1000
Catholics in Spain 2 per 1000
Catholics in Brazil 5 per 1000

The above comparison still leads to the same result: that under Protestant society sach as in US, relativism rules the day.

Comparing apples and lamps. You’re looking at two very different legal systems and cultures, so the comparison simply isn’t valid. Most notably, I have to think that the fact that (praise God):

Abortion is only legal in Brazil for two reasons, if the life of the mother is in danger and to kill a child that is the result of rape.

Spain – Legal up to 12 weeks in cases of rape, deformed baby, or danger to the mother’s life or mental health.

makes a major difference in the results.

Now if you have numbers for protestants in Spain and Brazil that’d make for a better comparison. Better yet would be to drop this silly blame game and let us be united in our opposition to abortion.

 

[reteeks21]

Comparing apples and lamps. You’re looking at two very different legal systems and cultures, so the comparison simply isn’t valid. Most notably, I have to think that the fact that (praise God):

Abortion is only legal in Brazil for two reasons, if the life of the mother is in danger and to kill a child that is the result of rape.

Spain – Legal up to 12 weeks in cases of rape, deformed baby, or danger to the mother’s life or mental health.

makes a major difference in the results.

Now if you have numbers for protestants in Spain and Brazil that’d make for a better comparison. Better yet would be to drop this silly blame game and let us be united in our opposition to abortion.

Amen! As if we aren’t divided enough by some folks over silly reasons why do we need another excuse? Thank you for correcting us all.

 

[O.S.Luke]

As all statistics professors are quick to say on the first day of class, “Correlation does not imply causation.” Or as mine put it more humorously: “Statistics cause cancer.”

We the Church need to do our job, rather than ask the government to do it for us. Make abortion something people would find abhorrent by teaching them about the grandeur of creation.

 

[Prime]

Comparing apples and lamps. You’re looking at two very different legal systems and cultures, so the comparison simply isn’t valid. Most notably, I have to think that the fact that (praise God):

Abortion is only legal in Brazil for two reasons, if the life of the mother is in danger and to kill a child that is the result of rape.

Spain – Legal up to 12 weeks in cases of rape, deformed baby, or danger to the mother’s life or mental health.

makes a major difference in the results.

Now if you have numbers for protestants in Spain and Brazil that’d make for a better comparison. Better yet would be to drop this silly blame game and let us be united in our opposition to abortion.

This thread is discussing Protestantism and Relativism. There is nothing in the OP that says the blame goes to Protestants. There is a big difference between Protestantism as practiced in US and Protestants as people. The former is a cause while the latter is the victim. Why would you ascribe blame if nothing is said to this effect?

 

[ralphinal]

As all statistics professors are quick to say on the first day of class, “Correlation does not imply causation.” Or as mine put it more humorously: “Statistics cause cancer.”

We the Church need to do our job, rather than ask the government to do it for us. Make abortion something people would find abhorrent by teaching them about the grandeur of creation.

Amen.

And I still want to know if the differance is statistically (name removed by moderator)ortant or not. It may be that that difference is not great enough to make any statements.