Did the Apostles, and early Church in general, believe in Christ as God?

[Vesbu]

Its most likely so. If you read “Epistle of James” he refered to jesus as Lord. or Kyrios in greek, well Kurios with a small K to be exact. But Jesus was always portrayed as small compared to the father in heaven, but because of his obedience he was rewarded for it.

The reason is that Jews didnt refer the Yahweh because of ten commandments “Do not take your lord god’s name in vain” so they used Adonai hebrew or Kyrios greek for their Lord Yahweh. So its unlikely that James would use this on Jesus if he thought he was just a mere prophet, considering the previous prophets were never raised in high esteem in terms of being divine. Also even according to scholars it seems to be agreed that James the Brother of Jesus was the writer of this letter.

Now the question is if one believes “Son of Man” means Jesus as God. Now Bart Ehrman has been inclinde to not believe so, which i disagree with. And to prove it, Eusebius an early church father in 3rd century i think. Basically he didnt believe Jesus was divine, or well he had sympathetic points towards arianism which held the view that Jesus was a man more or less, he more or less agreed when the church itself came to that final conclusion but still had soft spot for arianism. And yet, in his writings he quotes Jospehus which says in the writings of James which says “Jesus, the son of man”… So it would be unlikely for Eusebius to be bias since he didnt really have the motive to be so.

The only question sceptics can do now is to believe the Daniel means something else, like Son of man enters, and the kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom. Whether this means Yahweh or Son of Man together?. Which i would incline the evidence points too.

 

[jcrichton]

Another quote from Scripture says that only the Father knows the day or the hour, and that the Son does not know. If Jesus is thought to be equal to God, it seems that He would know the day or the hour.

Hi, Tom!
…yeah, Scripture is confusing… but only if taken out of text.

Jesus, as the Suffering Servant (Isaiah 53) did not come to demonstrate His Divinity (Philippians 2:5-11); coincidentally, there are Scriptural statements that can cause similar confusion (Christ, the Son is greater than the Father):

9 For which cause God also hath exalted him, and hath given him a name which is above all names: 10 That in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those that are in heaven, on earth, and under the earth: (Philippians 2:9-10)

If we take this passage on face value of the text we could come to the erroneous conclusion that Christ, (Jesus, Immanuel, Messiah, Lord…) is above Yahweh (Elohim, God, El, El Shaddai, Sebaoth, Lord…); in effect, making Christ the God above God.

Then there’s the hitch on Salvation:

No man can come to me, except the Father, who hath sent me, draw him; and I will raise him up in the last day. (St. John 6:44)

Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me. (St. John 14:6)

…well… pack it up! Both Believers and non-Believers are hit! No Salvation without the Father sending us to the Son; yet, we cannot access the Father but through the Son… (circular, isn’t it?)

Here’s the solution:

9 But you are not in the flesh, but in the spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body indeed is dead, because of sin; but the spirit liveth, because of justification. 11 And if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead, dwell in you; he that raised up Jesus Christ from the dead, shall quicken also your mortal bodies, because of his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die: but if by the Spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh, you shall live. 14 For whosoever are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For you have not received the spirit of bondage again in fear; but you have received the spirit of adoption of sons, whereby we cry: Abba (Father). 16 For the Spirit himself giveth testimony to our spirit, that we are the sons of God. 17 And if sons, heirs also; heirs indeed of God, and joint heirs with Christ: yet so, if we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified with him. (Romans 8:9-17)

God does not limit our access to Him; He only limits *how *we access Him!:

24 God is a spirit; and they that adore him, must adore him in spirit and in truth. (St. John 4:-24)

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Tomdstone]

Jesus, as the Suffering Servant (Isaiah 53)

How do you know that Isaiah 53 refers to Jesus? I don’t see the word Messiah there and the Jewish rabbis thought and say today that the Suffering Servant refers to Israel. Isaiah 49:3 refers to Israel as the servant.

 

[Tomdstone]

**Hi, Tom!
…I love “scholars;” they can make butter seem like the next clean fuel, while, simultaneously, swearing that it would cause the greatest singularity in the known universe…

…heard the one about Moses being the only man that knew about the red sea cycle? …the one where he knew just when to move the Hebrew people out of Egypt and keep them safe while all of Egypt was ignorant of the same cycle’s issue and Pharos’ army basically fell for a trick?

When scholars remove God from Scriptures they remove God from the world and they limit the world to temporal laws and powers.

The Inspiration of the Holy Spirit would no doubt bring to recollection, as vividly as necessary, the Missionary experience of Christ.

My Mom had a seizure that left her in a coma for five days; when she awoke her temporary memory and her permanent memory were dislodged. There were times that if she did not see a person regularly (even family members) she would not recall them when they next visited; this went on for years till she passed. Strangely enough, she would have vivid recollections of things from her childhood and mine; she would also have a fine tuning system that would keep fresh in her mind anything relating to the Eucharist (she was homebound and the Extraordinary Ministers of the Eucharist would make appointments to see her).

We have been made in the image and likeness of God; hence, the Holy Spirit can communicate with our spirit, which is a portion of God’s Spirit:

Then there’s the fact that way back then people were not saturated with the noise of today’s world–a simple life does tend to have a different value (cohesion) than a complex one (just check the mute society that “texting” has been creating). Further, do scholars really believe that such important events (Incarnation of the Word, Mission, Death, Resurrection, Ascension, etc.) would simply lay dormant for sixty or so years till St. Luke (and the other Writers) put them to ink? Have they ever heard of Oral Tradition?

Maran atha!

Angel

Do you believe that Mark was written before the other gospels? Do you believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke were written before John?
Many scholars will tell you that Matthew, Mark and Luke were much earlier than john and that John as written in 95 AD. How come Matthew, Mark, and Luke do not have Jesus saying that He is God?

 

[Tomdstone]

**Hi, Tom!
…I love “scholars;” they can make butter seem like the next clean fuel, while, simultaneously, swearing that it would cause the greatest singularity in the known universe…

I didn’t know about that. Can you kindly give us an example of a scholar who has said that butter would be the next clean fuel and that it would cause the greatest singularity in the known universe.

 

[patrick457]

Do you believe that Mark was written before the other gospels? Do you believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke were written before John?
Many scholars will tell you that Matthew, Mark and Luke were much earlier than john and that John as written in 95 AD. How come Matthew, Mark, and Luke do not have Jesus saying that He is God?

Have you read what I posted last?

Sure, John has an explicit Christology, but the synoptics do have something pretty much the same like it, albeit theirs is an implicit Christology.

The Synoptics’ portrait of Jesus has often been taken to be more closer to the historical Jesus simply because we have three accounts that are more similar than dissimilar to one another. But precisely because of their literary interrelationship, when the Synoptics triply attest something they count only as one independent witness. It is far more likely, if one could reconstruct a more fully-orbed life of Christ using a modern historical genre with contemporary standards of precision, that in many respects it would appear as close to (or as far from) the common synoptic portrait as that of the Fourth Gospel (cf. John 21:25). Second, there are Johannine distinctives that seem further removed from Jesus’ Jewish milieu precisely because FE masterfully models the early Christian practice of contextualizing the gospel. …]

Theology accounts for FG’s [the Fourth Gospel’s] dramatically high Christology as well. This may be the single biggest difference with the Synoptics that prevents some from acknowledging a pervasive historical interest in the Fourth Gospel. Yet on the one hand, we must not underestimate the high christology of the Synoptics - a person who is presented as virginally conceived, accepts worship, forgives sins, transcends the eternal Torah with his teaching, determines people’s eternal destinies on judgment day, works miracles as demonstrations of the in-breaking Kingdom and the arrival of the messianic age, and who professes a uniquely intimate relationship with God is hardly the conventional militaristic and merely human messiah of important strands of intertestamental Jewish expectation (esp. the Psalms of Solomon; see Witherington 1990). And Richard Bauckham has recently stressed how from the earliest creedal elements in the Epistles through to the Gospel of John, the first Christians directly linked Jesus with Yahweh’s divine identity in ways that contradict evolutionary hypotheses of a slow-developing early Christology (Bauckham 1999).

Craig Blomberg, ‘The Historical Reliability of John’ in Jesus in Johannine Tradition, edited by Robert T. Fortna and Tom Thatcher, p. 74, 76

 

[Tomdstone]

Yet on the one hand, we must not underestimate the high christology of the Synoptics - a person who is presented as virginally conceived, accepts worship, forgives sins, transcends the eternal Torah with his teaching, determines people’s eternal destinies on judgment day, works miracles as demonstrations of the in-breaking Kingdom and the arrival of the messianic age, and who professes a uniquely intimate relationship with God is hardly the conventional militaristic and merely human messiah of important strands of intertestamental Jewish expectation (esp. the Psalms of Solomon; see Witherington 1990).

There is a serious error here because a person who raises people from the dead, performs miracles and himself is raised into heaven is not necessarily equal to God. Take for example the prophet Elijah who was not God, but a prophet, who did all those things. Further, Jewish rabbis would forgive the sins of people who came into the temple with a lamb to sacrifice.

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

There is a serious error here because a person who raises people from the dead, performs miracles and himself is raised into heaven is not necessarily equal to God. Take for example the prophet Elijah who was not God, but a prophet, who did all those things. Further, Jewish rabbis would forgive the sins of people who came into the temple with a lamb to sacrifice.

Did Elijah raise himself from the dead? And a fiery chariot was waiting for Elijah.

 

[Tomdstone]

Did Elijah raise himself from the dead? And a fiery chariot was waiting for Elijah.

I thought he was raised into heaven.

 

[kdbueno]

St. Augustine has a lot to say with this. Do understand that systematic theology approves that the Triune God exists by reason of His supernatural intervention to the exigency of the mind. Further, a priest could really help you with this stuff. We do understand the need for understanding this *exigency. Further, the Holy Spirit *alone can prove you that the Trinity is supremely a one God.

 

[JB_Brother_4446]

I thought he was raised into heaven.

Yep. Elijah was assumed. **He did not ascend. **

 

[kdbueno]

St. Augustine has a lot to say with this. Do understand that systematic theology approves that the Triune God exists by reason of His supernatural intervention to the exigency of the mind. Further, a priest could really help you with this stuff. We do understand the need for understanding this *exigency. Further, the Holy Spirit *alone can prove you that the Trinity is supremely a one God.

Christ’s divinity is expressed logically, morally, and truthfully based on known dogmatic infallibility. Christ did not try to deceive, rather His divinity - expressing His deity, approves that He maximally allows it to prove that scripture is highly based on the Word of God, not the Word conceptually through weakness. But a powerful eternal Word, that pierces the soul of its hardness of heart.

 

[susanlo]

Do you believe that Mark was written before the other gospels? Do you believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke were written before John?
Many scholars will tell you that Matthew, Mark and Luke were much earlier than john and that John as written in 95 AD. How come Matthew, Mark, and Luke do not have Jesus saying that He is God?

This webpage has a lot of references to Jesus’ divinity including inferences in the book of Matthew.: carm.org/bible-verses-show-jesus-divine

 

[susanlo]

There is a serious error here because a person who raises people from the dead, performs miracles and himself is raised into heaven is not necessarily equal to God. Take for example the prophet Elijah who was not God, but a prophet, who did all those things. Further, Jewish rabbis would forgive the sins of people who came into the temple with a lamb to sacrifice.

The priests would perform sacrifices so that God could forgive sins, but I don’t think they believed the priests could forgive sins. Mark 2:7 “Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”

 

[kdbueno]

I understand what you mean by it. You must understand the script according to biblical theology.

 

[jcrichton]

How do you know that Isaiah 53 refers to Jesus? I don’t see the word Messiah there and the Jewish rabbis thought and say today that the Suffering Servant refers to Israel. Isaiah 49:3 refers to Israel as the servant.

Hi, Tom!

I understand your (and their) confusion… Isaiah 49:3 indeed names Israel as Yahweh’s God servant… but did you notice that Scriptures also state that Israel rejected their God?

But when we study Isaiah 53 it leads us to all sorts of not Israel!:

2 …He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

…ever heard of the splendors of Salomon’s kingship–renown sovereigns sought him just to ogle, and don’t forget Joseph (or is it prince Joseph), and Daniel, Esther, etc… these were types of Israel’s grandiose beauty and wealth–no not Israel.

3 He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain. Like one from whom people hide their faces he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

…not taking into consideration that Israel is never portrayed a “a man” (the closest: Jacob & firstborn), since the prophet is speaking for God in regards to His people, how is Israel held in low esteem by Israel? Rather, it is Jesus Who is even disowned by His kin (a prophet, this one we know where he’s from, has anything good come out of Galilee–paraphrased).

4 Surely he took up our pain and bore our suffering, yet we considered him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted.

…again, how can Israel reflect on Israel’s suffering God’s punishment for Israel; being stricken and afflicted by God–for Israel… nope, it just doesn’t wash…

5 But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

… do you see it now? can Israel, who rejected God, be the Suffering Servant Who subjugates Himself fully to the Father in order to take on Israel’s and the world’s transgressions… what are the wounds by which “we are healed” if we (Israel and the world) live in iniquity? Would Yahweh God use sin to cleanse sin?

7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.

…Israel did experience persecution and slaughter many times… but when we search Scriptures we find that Yahweh God allow this calamities to befall Israel for their transgressions (their own sins not that of others). Conversely, Jesus was oppressed and afflicted, did not give a defense and patiently awaited His slaughter.

8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away. Yet who of his generation protested? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was punished.

When did Israel suffer such a fate (remember, God holding Israel accountable for Israel’s transgressions does not count as suffering for other’s transgressions)? When did Israel die? Yet, Jesus did suffer oppression and judgment and was killed for the transgression of Israel and the world’s!

9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.

Though we cannot say this of Israel, Jesus was murdered amongst two wicked men and a rich man offered his own tomb–and, yes, no matter what was perjured about Him, in Him there was no deceit! (…we can’t say the say of Israel since the Masters of the Law conceived Jesus death as their high priest prophesied “better one man to die…”

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand. 11 After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. 12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

…so when did God make sin an offering for sin? Now, God’s righteous Servant’s, Jesus’, life does have merit since only God can remove sin from the world! Jesus, not Israel, saw the light of life at His Resurrection and He was pleased as His Death on the Cross justified many; as Jesus poured out His Life for the world (Israel didn’t) He gained Salvation for many and begot the Father many adopted children–Israel still thinks that Yahweh God is only “for Israel.”

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

Do you believe that Mark was written before the other gospels? Do you believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke were written before John?
Many scholars will tell you that Matthew, Mark and Luke were much earlier than john and that John as written in 95 AD. How come Matthew, Mark, and Luke do not have Jesus saying that He is God?

Hi, Tom!
…are all the Gospels identical?

Since John did not speak on the birth of John the Baptist and Jesus, does that mean that He was not aware of the things that Matthew and Luke were?

Since only the Gospel of John speaks on the Holy Spirit as the other Paraclete that indwells in the Believers, does that means that Jesus did not really Taught that? Since only John speaks of the water turning to wine and of Lazarus’ resurrection, that didn’t happen either?.. sorry, I just wanted to bombard you with differences so that you can more fully study Scriptures and reject/accept “scholarly” thought not on their own personal (self-important, sometimes ego trips) but on what God wants to Reveal to us.

Now, if you like, I can give you a list of the number of times that Scriptures state that Jesus was adored (worshiped) during His Ministry–but just to keep you on your toes, Here’s what St. Matthew has to say about Jesus’ Divinity:

18 Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly. 20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” 22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”). (St. Matthew 1:18-22)

So you truly believe that Matthew did not understand that Jesus was God?

What about Luke?:

39 At that time Mary got ready and hurried to a town in the hill country of Judea, 40 where she entered Zechariah’s home and greeted Elizabeth. 41 When Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, the baby leaped in her womb, and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit. 42 In a loud voice she exclaimed: “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the child you will bear! 43 But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44 As soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy. 45 Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!” (St. Luke 1:39-45)

Again, so St. Luke just did not get that Elizabeth’s statement declare Jesus, just recently conceived, God (Lord)? Did St. John, St. Matthew, and St. Luke, in the quest of enlightening Israel and the world about God’s Revelations suddenly forgot the Old Testament Scriptures:

“You shall have no other gods before me. (Exodus 20:3)

Do not worship any other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God. (Exodus 30:14)

You were shown these things so that you might know that the Lord is God; besides him there is no other.

Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other. (Deuteronomy 4:35, 39)

Not!

These Gospel Writers were Inspired by the Holy Spirit, Who Revealed to them that Jesus, the Immanuel, is God:

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. (Isaiah 7:14)

Its outspread wings will cover the breadth of your land,
Immanuel!” (Isaiah 8:8)

…in both of these passages the prophet Isaiah is describing God: the God to come (Malachi 3:1: “I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come,” says the Lord Almighty.), and the God known to Israel in its infancy.

Oh, did you noticed that both Gospels (Matthew and Luke) speak of the Holy Spirit–read Johns 14, 15, 16, the other Paraclete!

May the Holy Spirit enlighten you and bring you to the fullness of Truth!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

I didn’t know about that. Can you kindly give us an example of a scholar who has said that butter would be the next clean fuel and that it would cause the greatest singularity in the known universe.

Hi, Tom!
…I have to confess that I took some poetic license… :juggle:

…if you ever fallow the NG, History, Discovery, etc. networks you will come across some “latest” “proof” Bible/world/Catholic or Christianity “shattering.”

Jesus was married… dna evidence that proves that his and Mary Magdalene (his purported wife) tomb has been found… Jesus did not die on the cross… new authentic scrolls that debunk the Bible and that…

You name it. There’s always something “scholars” discover/find/uncover (like the Da Vinci code or the aging universe that’s just about to collapse on itself) that they hold as truth and purport to demonstrate to the world that, well… there’s no God!

Granted not all scholars are bent on this quest.

But they do take all the liberties they desire… what happens when nothing comes of their toil… they refuse to accept it and apologize for their tinkering against reason and facts. (Hence, the butter effect! )

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[jcrichton]

There is a serious error here because a person who raises people from the dead, performs miracles and himself is raised into heaven is not necessarily equal to God. Take for example the prophet Elijah who was not God, but a prophet, who did all those things. Further, Jewish rabbis would forgive the sins of people who came into the temple with a lamb to sacrifice.

Hi, Tom!
Resurrection:

25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live, even though they die; 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die. Do you believe this?” (St. John 11:24-26)

Did the prophet Elijah (or any other prophet or Rabbi) claimed to be Resurrection and Life?

Who in the Jews eyes was life?:

and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him. For the Lord is your life, (Deuteronomy 20:30a)

About Christ’s resurrection, have you ever read:

17 The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.” (St. John 10:17-18)

…yeah, some men of God (Elijah, Ezekiel, Paul), by the power of the Holy Spirit brought others to life… but Jesus not only can give Life to others but actually brought Himself back to Life, as He Himself is Life (I know it seems like quite a conundrum: Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Father–all three acting in unison to Resurrect Christ!)!

…and about forgiveness of sin, my friend, Rabbis only had the power to intercede according to the prescription of the Law; it was only the obedience to offer sacrifice (as the escape goat) that allowed for a Type of Divine forgiveness. Here’s what Jesus’ contemporaries thought about the forgiveness of sin:

20 When Jesus saw their faith, he said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.”

21 The Pharisees and the teachers of the law began thinking to themselves, “Who is this fellow who speaks blasphemy? Who can forgive sins but God alone?”(St. Luke 5:21)

Since the Pharisees, religious Jews, knew that only God alone can forgive sin they began to have strong feelings about Jesus and, in their mind, they raged against Jesus. Jesus, being God, knew what was in their mind yet He did not soften the experience for them. Instead He thrusts forward:

22 Jesus knew what they were thinking and asked, “Why are you thinking these things in your hearts? 23 Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’? 24 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins.” So he said to the paralyzed man, “I tell you, get up, take your mat and go home.” 25 Immediately he stood up in front of them, took what he had been lying on and went home praising God. (St. Luke 5;22-26

So that we may know that Jesus has God’s Full Authority!

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Tomdstone]

Hi, Tom!
Resurrection:

Did the prophet Elijah (or any other prophet or Rabbi) claimed to be Resurrection and Life?

Who in the Jews eyes was life?:

About Christ’s resurrection, have you ever read:

…yeah, some men of God (Elijah, Ezekiel, Paul), by the power of the Holy Spirit brought others to life… but Jesus not only can give Life to others but actually brought Himself back to Life, as He Himself is Life (I know it seems like quite a conundrum: Jesus, the Holy Spirit and the Father–all three acting in unison to Resurrect Christ!)!

…and about forgiveness of sin, my friend, Rabbis only had the power to intercede according to the prescription of the Law; it was only the obedience to offer sacrifice (as the escape goat) that allowed for a Type of Divine forgiveness. Here’s what Jesus’ contemporaries thought about the forgiveness of sin:

Since the Pharisees, religious Jews, knew that only God alone can forgive sin they began to have strong feelings about Jesus and, in their mind, they raged against Jesus. Jesus, being God, knew what was in their mind yet He did not soften the experience for them. Instead He thrusts forward:

So that we may know that Jesus has God’s Full Authority!

Maran atha!

Angel

You don’t find the quote from John 11:24-26 in the other three gospels which most scholars say were written much earlier than the gospel of John which many scholars date as being written in 95 AD.