Did the Catholic Church's teaching on the death penalty change?

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She can’t ‘support’ capital punishment.
Definition:

**Support 1a ** “Endure without opposition or resistance; bear with, put up with, tolerate.” (Oxford)

I think that sums it up. Of course various popes and fathers have opposed it, but the organized Church, as represented through her two universal catechisms, supports it.
 
Definition:

**Support 1a ** “Endure without opposition or resistance; bear with, put up with, tolerate.” (Oxford)

I think that sums it up. Of course various popes and fathers have opposed it, but the organized Church, as represented through her two universal catechisms, supports it.
That is a c1382 definition of support and Enders argument is using it more in the modern sense. To uphold, bear up, keep upright as a penal sentence on a continuum of sentences and having the same nature. It brings to my mind the modern concept of credit. There is a misconception that the market place ‘supports’ credit, rather than ‘does not exclude recourse to it’ in certain circumstances. The wording difference might seem subtle but the mentality differences are huge. Individuals, businesses and even governments have a sense that ‘credit’ has the same nature as earned savings and treat it in the same way, when it should be regarded as a debt, a deficiency requiring eventual elimination from the scenario altogether. Credit is meant to offset a financial deficiency on the road to financial surplus… not to make a lifelong institution of indebtedness. Which is what it has become. The death penalty has assumed the same sort of error of thinking in my opinion. We see it as a right to be exercised under our own terms, rather than a dire last resort to forward the cause of making mans sacredness and ultimate inviolability known to men.
 
All of the current catechetical teaching indicates capital punishment is to be used as a last resort, and given the difference in justice systems around the world, that is as it should be; but here, in the United States, the type of reviews and legal resources available to those sentenced to die are adequate to ensure a basically sound system wherein there has not yet—in living memory anyway—been a clear and uncontested example of an innocent person having been mistakenly executed; an issue I examined at some depth while a board member of the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation, cjlf.org/ one of the few secular organizations supporting the use of capital punishment.
 
but here, in the United States, the type of reviews and legal resources available to those sentenced to die are adequate to ensure a basically sound system wherein there has not yet—in living memory anyway—been a clear and uncontested example of an innocent person having been mistakenly executed;
That is but one aspect of the way in which a miscarriage of justice can manifest. There is also the problem of disproportionate representation on death row, of certain groups of people. That was happening in Queensland back in the early 20th century where the indiginous people and Chinese people were marginalised and deprived. The death penalty was very obviously not a symbol of Gods divine retribution and it was abolished in 1922. It was too often a convenient tool of ethnic cleansing.
 
That is but one aspect of the way in which a miscarriage of justice can manifest. There is also the problem of disproportionate representation on death row, of certain groups of people. That was happening in Queensland back in the early 20th century where the indiginous people and Chinese people were marginalised and deprived. The death penalty was very obviously not a symbol of Gods divine retribution and it was abolished in 1922. It was too often a convenient tool of ethnic cleansing.
I agree and we have also had that problem in the United States in times past, though many still feel it is occurring, my research indicates it is an evil that has passed due to the government supported capital punishment lawyer funding system that guarantees extensive review of every case; and I have heard from some Catholic leaders who base their opposition to capital punishment on this, but I remind them that the Church cannot change her teaching on what may happen but only on what is true, and with the many prerequisites built into the Catechism’s support for capital punishment, that issue is addressed.
 
I don’t really know why it is so hard to accept the inviolable nature of man. snip The human person is irreplaceable and not even death will destroy him. Unlike other animals he will live on into eternity in heaven (or hell).
If you are speaking of the inviolable nature of man, eternally, yes.

If you are speaking earthly, no.

2260: “For your lifeblood I will surely require a reckoning… Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for God made man in his own image.” “This teaching remains necessary for all time.”

2261 Scripture specifies the prohibition contained in the fifth commandment: “Do not slay the innocent and the righteous.” The deliberate murder of an innocent person is gravely contrary to the dignity of the human being, to the golden rule, and to the holiness of the Creator. the law forbidding it is universally valid: it obliges each and everyone, always and everywhere.

“An ‘innocent’ person.”

2258 “Human life is sacred because from its beginning it involves the creative action of God and it remains for ever in a special relationship with the Creator, who is its sole end. God alone is the Lord of life from its beginning until its end: no one can under any circumstance claim for himself the right directly to destroy an innocent human being.”

“An ‘innocent’ human being”

Always and everywhere there is the prescribed sanction of "For your lifeblood I will surely require a reckoning… “Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed.”, which, is confirmed in the Council of Trent, that execution represents paramount obedience to that commandment.

“paramount obedience”

2262 In the Sermon on the Mount, the Lord recalls the commandment, “You shall not kill,” and adds to it the proscription of anger, hatred, and vengeance. Going further, Christ asks his disciples to turn the other cheek, to love their enemies. He did not defend himself and told Peter to leave his sword in its sheath.

The type of killing being discussed, here, is the illegitimate type, meaning with anger or hatred, killing innocents, as well as many others, not the just prescription of death for murder. We also have the distinction between personal obligations, as opposed to the obligation of the state to defend their citizens.

A more full review: : “You have heard that it was said to the men of old, ‘You shall not kill: and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.’ But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment.” (from CCC, Article 5, THE FIFTH COMMANDMENT, MT 5:21-22)

Jesus was actually raising the bar in the Sermon On The Mount, teaching that having hatred in out hearts provided the proper punishment of eternity in hell, obviously a much more severe sanction than an earthly execution for murder, which may offer the blessing of expiation of our sins, as detailed below.

As with “But I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna.” Matthew 5:22 NAB

With 2263, it is clear that both defense of individuals and the state are described and that both refer to the common good requirement of rendering the unjust aggressor incapable of doing harm, which can only be accomplished by death.

2264 “If a man in self-defense uses more than necessary violence, it will be unlawful: whereas if he repels force with moderation, his defense will be lawful… Nor is it necessary for salvation that a man omit the act of moderate self-defense to avoid killing the other man, since one is bound to take more care of one’s own life than of another’s.”

The degree of force needs to be considered and proportional and that, knowingly, using too much force is unlawful or illegitimate.

This must be with the consideration that we will always make some errors in this regard, unknowingly, and that if we err, we need to err on the side of protecting innocent lives, meaning an error in degree must be that which better protects the individuals and society from an unjust aggressor.

2265: “Legitimate defense can be not only a right but a grave duty for someone responsible for another’s life. Preserving the common good requires rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm.”

Self defense, by individuals and governments, is a grave duty responsible for defending ones own life, that of another and the lives of their citizens by government. “The common good” “requires” that an unjust aggressor be rendered “unable to inflict harm”. The definitions of “require” and “unable” are clear in meaning and in context.

It is a rational truism that only dead murderers are “unable to inflict harm”. Unable to inflict harm is the same as impossible to inflict harm, only possible by the absolute incapacitation of the aggressor - by definition, the death penalty. Is that what the Church intended? I say no.

However, the Church must conclude, as reason does, that only dead unjust aggressors are “unable” to harm again and that we are “required” by the Church to render them “unable to inflict harm”.

The Church must solve the conflict between 1) we are “required” to render the unjust aggressor “unable to inflict harm” (2265), a requirement which can only be met with death and 2) that we must not use “more than necessary violence” (264). Clearly, there are differences between immediate self defense and legal incarceration or execution of criminals. However, there are also problems with the CCC instructions, here, which need to be made more clear.
 
Going back to the traditional teachings of the Church Fathers, it can be seen that when the specific mention of the death penalty is raised, it is always conditional upon it’s role in the safety of the community and is unfortunatey being skewed by the practice of isolating its mention from the whole context in which it is referred to.
This is not, at all, true, beginning with Genesis 9:6.

Even the Catechism establishes that the primary purpose of sanction is to redress the disorder.

The Catechism states: “The primary scope of the penalty is to redress the disorder caused by the offense.” 2266 This is a specific reference to justice, just retribution, just deserts and the like, all of which redress the disorder.

Primary, meaning everything else is of lesser value.

We must first recognize the guilt/sin/crime of the aggressor and hold them accountable for that crime/sin/disorder by way of penalty, meaning the penalty should be just and appropriate for the sin/crime/disorder and should represent justice, retributive justice, just deserts and their like which “redress the disorder caused by the offence” or to correct an imbalance, as defined within the example “If anyone sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed.” “This teaching remains necessary for all time.”

To “redress the disorder” has various relevant meanings – to make amends, to correct the imbalance, to set right, to remedy or to rectify, even reform, all of which may be used in the context of justice, just retribution or just deserts (and similar concepts), all of which have relevance in the context of the religious.

When it comes to reform, the second sentence is important:

2266: “When (the offender’s) punishment is voluntarily accepted by the offender, it takes on the value of expiation.”

The reformation and correction of the offender is a hoped for, even expected, component of justice or just deserts.

However, unlike the imposition of justice or retribution, which is mandatory, the reformation and/or moral correction of the offender will be voluntarily accepted or rejected by the offender, as a consequence of free will.

Retributive justice, just deserts and the like must be imposed. The correction or reform of the offender will be accepted or rejected by the offender.

The Catechism agrees, with:

2266 ending " . . . Moreover, punishment, in addition to preserving public order and the safety of persons, has a medicinal scope: as far as possible it should contribute to the correction of the offender."

" . . . as far as possible . . . " concedes that this is a sometimes proposition.

It is the same with God and his flock, as it is with parent and child. When a parent sanctions or punishes their child, they hope and often expect that such will bring about reflection, reform, redress and correction and, often, it does. It is a foundational to sanction.

Therefore, the foundation must be that we impose sanction based upon the evidence that the offender is guilty of the wrongdoing and because of that wrongdoing, we impose sanction, based upon justice (and its many similar considerations) and because of that justice, we reap the benefits of that justice, which include the protection of society and many other benefits, inclusive of the hope and expectation that some offenders will seek reform/redemption/correction, as a reflection in sanction and a product of grace.

A crucial element of that justice, which is reformation/correction of the offender, will always remain, a hoped for, but voluntary expression of free will by the offender, which may also provide, the immense value of expiation, when the punishment is “voluntarily accepted” (2266) by the offender.

Voluntary acceptance has four components. The offender/aggressor is guilty of the offense, the aggressor pleads guilty to the offense, the aggressor accepts the sanction imposed and the aggressor does not appeal the sanction imposed. Anything short of that appears to negate voluntary acceptance.

Expiation, a product of God’s grace, will be seized upon or rejected by the offender, based upon their own free will. It is arguable, as per Aquinas and Augustine, that the death penalty is better apt to provide that correction and is, therefore, more in tune with the eternal aspects of the wrongdoers salvation (see paragraphs/references 3 and 4 within Reference 2 and also 5, below).

Romano Amerio: “The most irreligious aspect of this argument against capital punishment is that it denies its expiatory value which, from a religious point of view, is of the highest importance because it can include a final consent to give up the greatest of all worldly goods.”

"This fits exactly with St. Thomas’s opinion that as well as canceling out any debt that the criminal owes to civil society, capital punishment can cancel all punishment due in the life to come. His thought is . . . Summa, ‘Even death inflicted as a punishment for crimes takes away the whole punishment due for those crimes in the next life, or a least part of that punishment, according to the quantities of guilt, resignation and contrition; but a natural death does not.’ " (Paragraph 3, Reference 2)

All we can do is hope and, in some cases, expect, that beneficial reformation will be sought by the wrongdoer, although we cannot force it upon them. And, in this religious context, such reformation will result in expiation and redemption, through the grace of God.
 
Just to add, St. Robert Bellarmine also ties capital punishment into preventing injury to the rest of society in the chapter on capital punishment in de Laicis, ch. 13:

catholicism.org/de-laicis.html/13
There is no doubt that execution offers additional benefits to saving more innocent lives, meaning that not using executions with result in more innocent deaths.

Not only has the Church tried to change the primary purpose of sanction - redress, or justice - and replacing it with safety, which must be secondary to justice, but She gets it wrong on safety, as well, apparently, not realizing that living murderers are more dangerous than dead murderers.

There are three ways in which the death penalty provides greater protection for innocents than does a life sentence.

The Innocent Frauds: Standard Anti Death Penalty Strategy
and
THE DEATH PENALTY: SAVING MORE INNOCENT LIVES
prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2013/04/the-innocent-frauds-standard-anti-death.html

OF COURSE THE DEATH PENALTY DETERS: A review of the debate
prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2013/03/of-course-death-penalty-deters.html

MURDERERS MUCH PREFER LIFE OVER EXECUTION
99.7% of murderers tell us “Give me life, not execution”
prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2012/11/life-much-preferred-over-execution.html
 
This quote seems to sum up the view of the Church today, and I doubt anyone will take St. Augustine as not representing the traditional view of the Church.

If, then, there were no other means established to curb the malice of the wicked, extreme necessity might perhaps urge that such men be put to death, though, in our view, if no milder punishment could be imposed on them, we would prefer that they be released rather than the sufferings of our brothers be avenged by the shedding of their blood. - St. Augustine

Looking for a citation. I couldn’t get the source from a Google search.

Based upon Augustine’s many other teachings on this sanction, inclusive of its merciful aspects, it is a wonder that he would find releasing those whose malice would not stop and, therefore, bring more evil upon us.

But, again, the Church asserts that redress, or justice, is the primary function of sanction. Safety and protection must remain secondary, though important.
 
All of that is true of punishment in the order of justice. However, knowing now that to be in accordance with the innate dignity of the human person, authority should limit its use of the death penalty to only those cases where the safety of society continues to be threatened… we see that the death penalty as punishment is first and foremost directed and beholden to mans experience of his dignity.
This is a repetition of a Church error which has never had any support.

Human dignity and that man in made it God’s image are both upheld with the use of the death penalty, just as the sanctity of life is the foundation for God’s imposition of the death penalty.

2260: “For your lifeblood I will surely require a reckoning… Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for God made man in his own image.” “This teaching remains necessary for all time.”

“While punishment does serve the purpose of protecting society, it also and primarily serves the function of manifesting the transcendent, divine order of justice–an order which the state executes by divine delegation.” " . . . it may be argued that such a conception of punishment, rooted in the restoration of moral balance, always presupposes an awareness of the superordinate dignity of the common good as defined by transcendent moral truths." (5)

“Yet the presence of two purposes–retributive and medicinal justice–ought not obscure the priority of assigning punishment proportionate to the crime (just retribution) insofar as the limited jurisdiction of human justice allows. The end is not punishment, but rather the manifestation of a divine norm of retributive justice, which entails proportionate equality vis-à-vis the crime.” “The medicinal goal is not tantamount merely to stopping future evildoing, but rather entails manifesting the truth of the divine order of justice both to the criminal and to society at large. This means that mere stopping of further disorder is insufficient to constitute the full medicinal character of justice, which purpose alike and primarily entails the manifestation of the truth. Thus this foundational sense of the medicinality of penalty is retained even when others drop away.” (6)
  1. “Evangelium Vitae, St. Thomas Aquinas and the Death Penalty”, p 519, Steven A. Long, The Thomist, 63 (1999): 511-552
  2. ibid, p 522
 
I don’t get why it’s ‘troubling’. The death penalty is such a revolting concept when you set aside its part in sating human vengeance. It simply doesn’t fit with the whole message that Jesus brought…
Longingsoul:

I believe your comments reflect an incorrect humanistic foundation and not one which understands Church teachings.

As most have discussed, throughout, it is about justice or redress of the disorder.

I hope these will influence your perspective or, at the least, be receptive to others’.

The Death Penalty: Mercy, Expiation, Redemption & Salvation
prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-death-penalty-mercy-expiation.html

Jesus and the Death Penalty
prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2013/06/jesus-and-death-penalty.html

The Catechism and the Death Penalty
prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-catechism-death-penalty.html

"All interpretations, contrary to the biblical support of capital punishment, are false. Interpreters ought to listen to the Bible’s own agenda, rather than to squeeze from it implications for their own agenda. As the ancient rabbis taught, “Do not seek to be more righteous than your Creator.” (Ecclesiastes Rabbah 7.33.). Part of Synopsis of Professor Lloyd R. Bailey’s book Capital Punishment: What the Bible Says, Abingdon Press, 1987.

Saint (& Pope) Pius V, “The just use of (executions), far from involving the crime of murder, is an act of paramount obedience to this (Fifth) Commandment which prohibits murder.” “The Roman Catechism of the Council of Trent” (1566).

Pope Pius XII: “When it is a question of the execution of a man condemned to death it is then reserved to the public power to deprive the condemned of the benefit of life, in expiation of his fault, when already, by his fault, he has dispossessed himself of the right to live.” 9/14/52.

“Moral/ethical Death Penalty Support: Modern Catholic Scholars”.
prodpinnc.blogspot.com/2009/07/death-penalty-support-modern-catholic.html

Christianity and the death penalty.
prodeathpenalty.com/DP.html#F.Christianity

Catholic and other Christian References: Support for the Death Penalty,
homicidesurvivors.com/2006/10/12/catholic-and-other-christian-references-support-for-the-death-penalty.aspx
 
What you apparently fail to understand, LongingSoul, and I would encourage reading St. Thomas Aquinas on this, is that punishment must be seen in terms of the eternal life of the soul and if the soul is loved, it must often be protected from committing further sin.

In Peter Seewald and Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI’s book, Light of the World: The Pope, the Church, and the Signs of the Times, responding to a question about the Church’s dealing with the sexual abuse crisis, Benedict said:

"The Archbishop of Dublin told me something very interesting about that. He said that ecclesiastical penal law functioned until the late 1950’s; admittedly it was not perfect–there is much to criticize about it–but nevertheless it was applied. After the mid-sixties, however, it was simply not applied any more. The prevailing mentality was that the Church must not be a Church of laws but, rather a Church of love; she must not punish. Thus the awareness that punishment can be an act of love ceased to exist. This led to an odd darkening of the mind, even in very good people.

“Today we have to learn all over again that love for the sinner and love for the person who has been harmed are correctly balanced if I punish the sinner in the form that is possible and appropriate. In this respect there was in the past a change of mentality, in which the law and the need for punishment were obscured. Ultimately this also narrowed the concept of love, which in fact is not just being nice or courteous, but is found in the truth. And another component of truth is that I must punish the one who has sinned against real love.” (pp. 25-26)
Exactly right.

As with:

William Law : “To say, therefore, as some have said, if God is all love toward fallen man, how can he threaten or chastise sinners is no better that saying, if God is all goodness in Himself and toward man, how can He do that in and to man which is for his good?” “Nay, so absurd is this reasoning that if it could be proved that God had no chastisement for sinners, the very want of their chastisement would be the greatest of all proofs that God was not all love and goodness toward man.”

" . . . the pure, mere love of God is that alone from which sinners are justly to expect that no sin will pass unpunished, but that His love will visit them with every calamity and distress that can help to break and purify the bestial heart of man and awaken in him true repentance and conversion to God."

“It is love alone in the holy Deity that will allow no peace to the wicked, nor ever cease its judgments till ever sinner is forced to confess that it is good for him that he has been in trouble, and thankfully own that not the wrath but the love of God has plucked out that right eye, cut off that right band, which he ought to have done but would not do for himself and his own salvation.” “A Serious Call to a Devout and Holy Life”, answers.com/topic/william-law
 
“Most of the Church’s teaching, especially in the moral order, is infallible doctrine because it belongs to what we call her ordinary universal magisterium.”

“Equally important is the Pope’s (Pius XII) insistence that capital punishment is morally defensible in EVERY AGE AND CULTURE of Christianity.”

“There are certain moral norms that have ALWAYS AND EVERYWHERE been held by the successors of the Apostles in communion with the Bishop of Rome. Although never formally defined, THEY ARE IRREVERSIBLY BINDING ON THE FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST UNTIL THE END OF THE WORLD”

“Such moral truths are the grave sinfulness of contraception and direct abortion. Such, too, is the Catholic doctrine which defends the imposition of the death penalty.”

"IT IS WRONG, THEREFORE, 'TO SAY THAT THESE SOURCES CONTAIN IDEAS WHICH ARE CONDITIONED BY HISTORICAL CIRCUMSTANCES. ON THE CONTRARY, THEY HAVE A ‘GENERAL AND ABIDING VALIDITY.’

(CAPS MY EMPHASIS, sharp)

" . . . the Church’s teaching on ‘the coercive power of legitimate human authority’ is based on ‘the sources of revelation and traditional doctrine.’ (Acta Apostolicae Sedis, 1955, pp 81-2)."

“Capital Punishment: New Testament Teaching”, Fr. John A. Hardon, S.J., 1998
therealpresence.org/archives/Sacred_Scripture/Sacred_Scripture_014.htm
 
No one enjoys implementing capital punishment (though satisfaction that evil has been confronted certainly) as they do not enjoy going to war, but in this life, in this world, it is sometimes necessary for very unsavory things to be done to protect justice in the world, which is the only way the innocent are protected; and that is a reality Christ was very well aware of since it was he, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, who established the Old Law—upon whose foundation the New Law was built—as the Triune God.
 
As I said, if it is true that the church’s position on capital punishment should have changed as it did then there should be a good argument to explain the change. Where is that explanation?

Ender
As you may know, I think it even worse than that.

The Church has no historical position to support either EV of CC and 2267, wrongly, stated that they did, apparently, with no citations or evidence as support.

“The most reasonable conclusion to draw from this discussion is that, once again, the Catechism is simply wrong from an historical point of view. Traditional Catholic teaching did not contain the restriction enunciated by Pope John Paul II” ." (7)

“The realm of human affairs is a messy one, full of at least apparent inconsistency and incoherence, and the recent teaching of the Catholic Church on capital punishment—vitiated, as I intend to show, by errors of historical fact and interpretation—is no exception.”(7)

The fact that such teachings does not exist is a real problem for the Church and this radical change, which appears to have sprung out of very thin air.

Even if such teachings did exist, 2267 could hardly be more misleading.

The traditional teachings of the Church neither exclude recourse to the death penalty nor so restrict it as to make it, virtually, useless, as 2267 imagines. Much more often, biblical instruction and tradition insist on the death penalty being imposed, describes those many sins/crimes for which it shall be imposed and, otherwise, reviews the legitimacy of the death penalty.

The additional important problem (of many), is that the death penalty offers more protection for the innocent and therefore greater defense of society and thus, the Church’s new position, not only has no historical teachings for support, it also sacrifices more innocent lives.

I appears the first is a doctrine problem and the second a prudential judgement error.

Kevin L. Flannery S.J. - Capital Punishment and the Law – 2007 (30 pp)
Ordinary Professor of Ancient Philosophy at the Pontifical Gregorian University
(Rome); Mary Ann Remick Senior Visiting Fellow at the Notre Dame Center for Ethics and
Culture (University of Notre Dame)
 
I don’t believe changing doctrines on this issue can be justified and I don’t believe it has happened. As I’ve said, if 2267 is prudential (which appears the likeliest explanation) then there is no doctrinal question involved.
The last three popes were (are) clearly opposed to using capital punishment. Augustine expressed his opposition to its use, but they all recognize that a state is morally justified in applying it. In every case it appears that their opposition was based on practical considerations, not moral ones.

Ender
I think it an issue of doctrine when the foundation of sanction goes from (the admitted and CCC re confirmed) primary concern of redress and all which that means, eternally, and makes “defense of society” or protection rule over that primary function, when protection and defense, within the confirmed context, are matters of the humanism, with ever changing standards, allowing all types of everyday disasters, inclusive of unjust aggressors be allowed all types of leeway to harm and murder, again.

I think that is a doctrinal problem.

The prudential judgement is based upon that degree of “defense of society” or protection which must be attained by means other than the death penalty. Again, something, prudentially, whereby it seems that neither EV of the CCC properly reviewed, offered no evidence for and no citations to support their position, which is, factually, unsupportable.
 
snip
To defend the death penalty as legitimate under any condition of State authority, is to misuse it and to be co operative in the culture of death that defines modern ideologies. To defend it as a last resort in protecting the community demonstrates the genuine Christian regard for the commonwealth which then renders the death penalty a legitimate defense.
The death penalty is properly defended in society, just as all criminal sanctions are, as an exercise in justice.

In most cultures, if we look at reality, the death penalty is used very rarely, thus the opposite of some nebulous “culture of death”.

For example, in the US, we execute about 0.2% of all murderers, after about 11 years of appeals, on average.

Either by humanism or Christianity, the death penalty offers a greater defense of society and greater protection from unjust aggressors and, therefore, based upon that standard, the death penalty should be implemented more if saving additonal innocents is a concern.

That is much more a reflection of a culture that tolerates murderers.
 
snip If capital punishment is the appropriate punishment for the crime then why should it be used only as a last resort? snip

Ender
precisely.

With Numbers 35:31 there is: “You shall not accept indemnity in place of the life of a murderer who deserves the death penalty; he must be put to death.”

Deserves as in justice, retribution.

“If we spare those that God has commanded us to exterminate, we can’t pretend we did it for His glory! The question once again is shown to be: What did God say? with the follow-up, Will we obey? What God said is clear: Whoever sheds man’s blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man. (Genesis 9:6) He didn’t say that to the Jews (there were no Jews yet); He said it to Noah and his family – to the entire population of the earth.” (11)

"One offensive aspect of this objection is the puny view of God that underlies it. God may be able to turn a murderer into a Christian if we give Him 30 years to do it – but not 30 days? Only by disobeying God can we populate His Kingdom for Him? It begins to sound a little like, “Let us do evil that good may come.” (11)
  1. Jesus and the death penalty: “They may become Christians”, Dan Popp, June 23, 2013http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/popp/130623
 
Avery Cardinal Dulles:

This recently deceased US Cardinal, in one of his final interviews (2006, published 2008), states that he thought the Church may return to a “more traditional posture” on the death penalty (and just war).

“Recent popes, Dulles conceded, beginning with John XXIIII, seem to have taken quasi-abolitionist positions on both matters. Yet used sparingly and with safeguards to protect the interests of justice, Dulles argued, both the death penalty and war have, over the centuries, been recognized by the church as legitimate, sometimes even obligatory, exercises of state power. The momentum of “internal solidification,” he said, may lead to some reconsideration of these social teachings.” (1)
  1. “An unpublished interview with Avery Dulles”, All Things Catholic by John L. Allen, Jr., NCRcafe.org, Posted on Dec 19, 2008, at
    ncrcafe.org/node/2340
 
EV explains it really clearly…
  1. … The problem (of the death penalty)must be viewed in the context of a system of penal justice ever more in line with human dignity and thus, in the end, with God’s plan for man and society…. If bloodless means are sufficient to defend human lives against an aggressor and to protect public order and the safety of persons, public authority must limit itself to such means, because they better correspond to the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person".
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In reality, this is a problem for EV and the CCC, which is hard to imagine cannot be glaring.

(a) “If bloodless means are sufficient” (2267) in this eternal context:

(b) “If anyone sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed.” (1) “This teaching remains necessary for all time.” (2260)

and (a)'s obvious conflict with Genesis also has additional conflicts within its own document, just as one section above

(c) the “common good” “requires” an unjust aggressor be rendered “unable to inflict harm”. (2265) as well as within 2267, itself, as rendering the aggressor “INCAPABLE OF DOING HARM”.

The Catechism is stating that “The common good requires rendering the unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm” (2265) except that we should rarely, if ever, render an unjust aggressor unable to inflict harm. There is a contradiction.

This Catechism decides that an eternal biblical mandate should be overruled by a poorly considered dependence on current penal security. Astounding. The Church has knowingly done this.

Does the absence of death penalty better correspond with “the common good and with the dignity of the human person”?

In the first part of this Catechism, the document makes the opposite argument.

Commensurate punishments, by definition, better correspond to the common good and human dignity and the absence of a commensurate punishment injure both the common good as well as human dignity . . . and there is no doubt that the Church has always found the death penalty to be a commensurate punishment for murder, and other crimes, and that execution represents paramount obedience to the fifth commandment.
 
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