Did the Church kill people with non-Latin Bibles?

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I have considered watching this movie: christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1162#
but I am nervous that I will misunderstand the truth or will be viewing downright untruths.

Can someone explain to me why or why not the church condemned those with non-Latin Bibles? Even to the point of death, for example, with Mr. Tyndale.

Did the Church really do these things!?
 
I have considered watching this movie: christiancinema.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1162#
but I am nervous that I will misunderstand the truth or will be viewing downright untruths.

Can someone explain to me why or why not the church condemned those with non-Latin Bibles? Even to the point of death, for example, with Mr. Tyndale.

Did the Church really do these things!?
No, the Church didn’t kill people for having non-Latin translation Bibles. The Bible was translated by the Church into vernacular languages before Tyndale or Luther. The Church banned Catholics from reading false translations/ones from which books of the Bible or parts of books were taken out by Protestants because such “Bibles” were misleading and harmful to people’s faith. Remember, the Bible is the Church’s book, therefore she has the right and duty to protect it, disseminate it and to keep the faithful from being fooled by false translations. Tyndale’s translation was one of these false translations.
 
Thats what so many people forget, is that the Catholic Church gave us the bible

Yet, so many people seem to have the need to rewrite it
 
No, the Church didn’t kill people for having non-Latin translation Bibles. The Bible was translated by the Church into vernacular languages before Tyndale or Luther. The Church banned Catholics from reading false translations/ones from which books of the Bible or parts of books were taken out by Protestants because such “Bibles” were misleading and harmful to people’s faith. Remember, the Bible is the Church’s book, therefore she has the right and duty to protect it, disseminate it and to keep the faithful from being fooled by false translations. Tyndale’s translation was one of these false translations.
I just want to reiterate what Della said and try to put some of it into simpler terms.

The Church did not kill people for having non-Latin Bibles.

The Church excommunicated some people, it did not kill them, for having unapproved Bibles, not for having non-Latin Bibles.

There were approved non-Latin Bibles, and there have been for the Church’s entire history. Greek is the most obvious example, since Greek Bibles were more common than Latin Bibles for much of the early Church. But there were also approved Spanish Bibles, approved French Bibles, approved German Bibles, and others, and people were not excommunicated or killed for owning those.

As for Mr. Tyndale, the Church excommunicated him, it did not kill him, for spreading heresies, not for having a non-Latin Bible. He did translate the Bible, but since he was a heretic, and since he filled his translation with heretical notes, his translation was not approved by the Church. Not long after him, the Church produced an approved English Bible so that Catholics would have an alternative to the Protestant bibles. This was called the Douay-Rheims Bible.

Please let me know if that helps.
 
Della gave a good answer, but I’ll just ask, why is it that you want to watch something you feel might harm your faith?
 
I just want to learn all the good and the bad of the churches history. Tyndale was killed though right? For heresy? And people were arrested too right? I just want to know the bare bones truth and get the right perspective. What non-Latin translations can be referred to so that i can use it in debate with non-catholics?

Also,
I really cant stand reading non-catholic books and media, yet I still want to know everything. Is there a good source that any of you know of that will teach me all the good, bad and questionable history of the Catholic church? One that doesn’t trash the church as a whole, but is an honest history.
 
I just want to learn all the good and the bad of the churches history. Tyndale was killed though right? For heresy? And people were arrested too right? I just want to know the bare bones truth and get the right perspective. What non-Latin translations can be referred to so that i can use it in debate with non-catholics?

Also,
I really cant stand reading non-catholic books and media, yet I still want to know everything. Is there a good source that any of you know of that will teach me all the good, bad and questionable history of the Catholic church? One that doesn’t trash the church as a whole, but is an honest history.
Please be aware that some of the history has been twisted to become lies that did not occur. I have heard outrageous untruths told in order to turn people away from the truth. The world, the flesh, and the evil one causes this!

I am not saying that there was no corruption in the Church - there are sinners in the Church that cause people to question the Church, but it is not our Lord Jesus Christ and His truth that is corrupting truth, it is those who are not following Him.

The Church always needs reform and for the members to become holier, and thanks be to God there are many saints that we can look to to see what God can do.

A reliable history of the Catholic Church can give facts without white-washing corruption. No matter what, the Church that our Lord established has the fullness of truth, and all the helps He has given us that He purchased with the price of His precious blood.

What we need is much prayer and sacrifice and sanctifying of all in the Church so that the Lord’s work can be done in the world. We are to be other Christs to evangelize with love and truth.

Lord have mercy on us and help us!

Blessed Virgin Mother Mary, pray for us!
 
I just want to learn all the good and the bad of the churches history. Tyndale was killed though right? For heresy? And people were arrested too right? I just want to know the bare bones truth and get the right perspective. What non-Latin translations can be referred to so that i can use it in debate with non-catholics?

Also,
I really cant stand reading non-catholic books and media, yet I still want to know everything. Is there a good source that any of you know of that will teach me all the good, bad and questionable history of the Catholic church? One that doesn’t trash the church as a whole, but is an honest history.
An article that mentions Tyndale that you may find helpful: catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/general/charge.htm.

At the time he lived the Church and the state were closely tied. Heresy often led to civil disobedience and disruption of societies–it still does, but our moderen Western governments have no power to stop cults from forming.

In order to understand what happened and why you need to know the culture of the times and the beliefs of the times. This is a deep study, not something you can read a few articles about and fully comprehend.

Frankly, there is no need to answer those who dredge up old stories like this to try to discredit the Church. During and following the reformation many people were killed on all sides over doctrinal issues. Governments were falling with new ones taking their place. It was a time of great unrest and violence between religious sects and nations.

It is best to go into such study knowing that the divine character of the Church has never been blemished and cannot be. But her human nature often fails in charity–be it through the actions of individuals like you and me to great leaders. It’s a part of our fallen nature to war with each other, sad to say.
 
I just want to learn all the good and the bad of the churches history. Tyndale was killed though right? For heresy? And people were arrested too right? I just want to know the bare bones truth and get the right perspective. What non-Latin translations can be referred to so that i can use it in debate with non-catholics?

Also,
I really cant stand reading non-catholic books and media, yet I still want to know everything. Is there a good source that any of you know of that will teach me all the good, bad and questionable history of the Catholic church? One that doesn’t trash the church as a whole, but is an honest history.
He was executed for heresy, but not by the Church - by the Holy Roman Empire. Lots of people do terrible things in the name of Catholicism, but that doesn’t mean that the Church condones or permits these actions. Rest assured that the Church will never condone evils like that. And always keep in mind that your actions will shape other people’s opinions of Catholicism, for good or ill.
 
I just want to learn all the good and the bad of the churches history. Tyndale was killed though right? For heresy? And people were arrested too right? I just want to know the bare bones truth and get the right perspective. What non-Latin translations can be referred to so that i can use it in debate with non-catholics?
The bare bones is this.
We cannot impose our outlook on history…

At the time, the people of a country were expected to be of the same faith as their leaders. To not be, or to stand in opposition to the God of the king could be, and many times was, considered treason. Treason could very easily get one separated from one’s head.

This was equally true if a ruler was not Catholic. At the time of Henry VIII and later Elizabeth I, it was illegal to be Catholic in England - and it remained illegal for quite some time.

Was the Church aware of these things? Certainly. Did members of the Church leadership sanction such things? Undoubtedly. Was it one sided? Absolutely not.

That is about as bare bones as I can tell it.

Peace
James
 
I just want to learn all the good and the bad of the churches history. Tyndale was killed though right? For heresy? And people were arrested too right?
The Church of England had already split with the Catholic Church. Tyndale ran afoul of Henry VIII. He was executed in Antwerp by the civil authorities.
What non-Latin translations can be referred to so that i can use it in debate with non-catholics?
Well, all of these for starters:

newadvent.org/cathen/15367a.htm

Please take note that several alphabets were actually invented by Catholic priests/missionaries in order to write down the gospel in the languages of those people.
. Is there a good source that any of you know of that will teach me all the good, bad and questionable history of the Catholic church? One that doesn’t trash the church as a whole, but is an honest history.
William Carroll’s six volume History of Christendom is excellent. All of Hilaire Belloc’s books are excellent.
 
As for Mr. Tyndale, the Church excommunicated him, it did not kill him, for spreading heresies, not for having a non-Latin Bible. He did translate the Bible, but since he was a heretic, and since he filled his translation with heretical notes, his translation was not approved by the Church. Not long after him, the Church produced an approved English Bible so that Catholics would have an alternative to the Protestant bibles. This was called the Douay-Rheims Bible.
So, the whole thing about tying Tyndale to a stake, choking him nearly to death, & then burning him alive - that wasn’t “killing him”?? :confused:
 
So, the whole thing about tying Tyndale to a stake, choking him nearly to death, & then burning him alive - that wasn’t “killing him”?? :confused:
Like I said in my above post, that wasn’t the Church - that was the Holy Roman Empire.
 
So, the whole thing about tying Tyndale to a stake, choking him nearly to death, & then burning him alive - that wasn’t “killing him”?? :confused:
It was killing him, but it wasn’t the Church that did it. It is my understanding that the Church’s Canon Law at the time forbade priests from either recommending execution for heretics or being present at their execution.
 
Like I said in my above post, that wasn’t the Church - that was the Holy Roman Empire.
I think you mean the English government, not the Holy Roman Empire. It is my understanding that the two governments were separate at this time.
 
I think you mean the English government, not the Holy Roman Empire. It is my understanding that the two governments were separate at this time.
Tyndale was English, yes, but the English were at that point in the process of forming the Church of England, and so weren’t particularly friendly to the Catholic Church. And he was in Europe at the time of his death.

From the Mercer Dictionary of the Bible:
Unable to get authorization in England for his translation, in the spring of 1524 Tyndale went to the Continent; after spending almost a year in Wittenberg, he moved to Hamburg and eventually went to Cologne (Aug 1525). … While living in Antwerp, Tyndale began the work of translating the Hebrew OT … In may 1535 he was betrayed, arrested by representatives of Emperor Charles V, and taken to Vilvorde … where he was imprisoned in a fortress. In Aug 1536 he was tried and found guilty of heresy, and on 6 Oct 1536 he was strangled and burned at the stake.
 
Tyndale was English, yes, but the English were at that point in the process of forming the Church of England, and so weren’t particularly friendly to the Catholic Church. And he was in Europe at the time of his death.

From the Mercer Dictionary of the Bible:
Oh. Well, there you go, the more you know, the better. Thanks!
 
Just a humorous aside–because of the dangling participle in the title of this thread, I had visions of elderly clerics whacking heretics with bibles, both on the head and on the buttocks. :knight2:
 
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