Did The Jews Try To Push Jesus Off A Cliff?

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A fellow Catholic told me that the Jews tried to push Jesus off a cliff, but I’m not sure I read that in the gospels. I do know they tried to stone Him at least once, probably twice, then finally succeeded in crucifying Him.

If they did try to push Him off a cliff then can you please state the chapter and verse?

Thanks.

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A fellow Catholic told me that the Jews tried to push Jesus off a cliff, but I’m not sure I read that in the gospels. I do know they tried to stone Him at least once, probably twice, then finally succeeded in crucifying Him.

If they did try to push Him off a cliff then can you please state the chapter and verse?

Thanks.

🙂
Luke 4:28-30
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All the people in the synagogue were furious when they heard this. 29 They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the cliff. 30 But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.
 
Basically, one of Jesus’s many powers was the ability to walk through solid objects, including people. If you’ve ever seen X Men, Ellen Page (the girl who plays Juno and also shes in Inception) plays a character who can walk through walls.
 
A fellow Catholic told me that the Jews tried to push Jesus off a cliff, but I’m not sure I read that in the gospels. I do know they tried to stone Him at least once, probably twice, then finally succeeded in crucifying Him.
You are aware, I hope, that Jesus and all of the 12 Apostles were Jews, aren’t you?
 
You are aware, I hope, that Jesus and all of the 12 Apostles were Jews, aren’t you?
A good point that needed to be addressed, thanks for doing that, Ignatius.

Yes, it is awful to find Christians - not saying that this was the OP"s intention - saying “the Jews” did this or that negative thing in relation to Jesus and his followers. As you say, all these Christian founders and heroes were practicing Jews. Even after Jesus died and rose, they continued on in their traditional Temple worship, kosher, and circumcision. Jesus himself said he had only come for “the lost sheep of the house of Israel”, and that Torah would last forever.

Moreover, Jesus’ brother James - that heroic, compassionate Jew - was the one who worked out the compromise that Gentile converts did not have to convert to Judaism in order to belong to Jesus’ movement. Rather, they were only to follow the “Noahide” covenenant that YHVH had arranged for non-Jewish humanity. It is to James, not Paul, that Gentile Christians owe their initial “freedom from the Law”.

As with every conflict episode in the Gospels, it is NEVER “the Jews” who oppose Jesus, but rather, only SOME Jews. Let’s not forget this important fact.
 
Basically, one of Jesus’s many powers was the ability to walk through solid objects, including people. If you’ve ever seen X Men, Ellen Page (the girl who plays Juno and also shes in Inception) plays a character who can walk through walls.
There is a simpler explanation for what happens in this passage. No one had the courage to throw Jesus off the cliff and, like those who refused to throw the first stone at the woman found in sin, no one was willing to be the first to act. Jesus didn’t walk through human bodies. He walked through the crowd and the crowd made way for him.
 
There is a simpler explanation for what happens in this passage. No one had the courage to throw Jesus off the cliff and, like those who refused to throw the first stone at the woman found in sin, no one was willing to be the first to act. Jesus didn’t walk through human bodies. He walked through the crowd and the crowd made way for him.
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There is a simpler explanation for what happens in this passage. No one had the courage to throw Jesus off the cliff and, like those who refused to throw the first stone at the woman found in sin, no one was willing to be the first to act. Jesus didn’t walk through human bodies. He walked through the crowd and the crowd made way for him.
I can easily see it. Jesus was being held by a couple of big Jews in the middle of the crowd and being manhandled along to the edge of the cliff. In the bruhaha, Jesus managed to get away by slipping out of his robe, leaving the Jews just holding his garment and looking at each other, confused. Now on his hands and knees, and dressed only in linen underwear, Jesus scurried away like a crab to some safe place.
 
A fellow Catholic told me that the Jews tried to push Jesus off a cliff, but I’m not sure I read that in the gospels. I do know they tried to stone Him at least once, probably twice, then finally succeeded in crucifying Him.

If they did try to push Him off a cliff then can you please state the chapter and verse?
Okay, just to clarify things:

1.) It refers to when the inhabitants of Jesus’ home village Nazareth was inflamed by Jesus’ words and turned into a lynch mob bent on killing Him right then and there (Luke 4:22-30). In a sense, the inhabitants of Nazareth are ‘Jews’ in that they belong to the Jewish people, in another sense they are not ‘Judaeans’ in that they are from the Galilee, not from Judaea (more on this below).

And in the Gospel of John, we do hear of two instances where the ‘Judaeans’ try to stone Jesus (John 8:57-59; 10:31-40). In one of these instances it would seem that the listeners were actually Jesus’ disciples: they seem to have been so offended (John 8:31)!

2.) When John speaks of hoi Ioudaioi trying to stone Jesus, it is probably more better understood as referring to “the Judaeans” (i.e. people from the province of Judaea, as opposed to, say, the Galilee or Samaria) rather than “the Jews” (i.e. the Jewish people) in general. They are actually the same word in Greek, and John’s usage of Ioudaioi is not uniform and seems to shift from one meaning to another depending on the context, so taking “the Jews” at face value is a reading prone to error.

3.) Only Rome had the power to carry out capital punishment at the time. So Jesus was crucified by Romans, under Roman law.
 
I can easily see it. Jesus was being held by a couple of big Jews in the middle of the crowd and being manhandled along to the edge of the cliff. In the bruhaha, Jesus managed to get away by slipping out of his robe, leaving the Jews just holding his garment and looking at each other, confused. Now on his hands and knees, and dressed only in linen underwear, Jesus scurried away like a crab to some safe place.
As an aside, Jesus in John’s Gospel - who has a knack of getting into trouble even from His own followers! - often flee and hide when the people get out of hand to avoid public attention.

In fact, this is one of the running themes of John: the missing and hidden Jesus. Notably, Jesus eludes (apparently successfully) all these attempts at lynching, yet He never repeats the feat during His arrest; on the contrary, John notes that He, “knowing all things that are coming upon Him, (came) forward”! When the hour finally comes, Jesus no longer makes any attempt to flee, but faces His fate head-on.
 
You are aware, I hope, that Jesus and all of the 12 Apostles were Jews, aren’t you?
Yes, I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to put it in a naive or hateful sort of way…but I’m lazy so didn’t specify like Patrick did. If I could change the title to “Did The People Who Hated Jesus Try To Push Jesus Off A Cliff?” then I would. 🙂

Thank you, everyone, for the awesome answers!!!
 
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Okay, just to clarify things:

1.) It refers to when the inhabitants of Jesus’ home village Nazareth was inflamed by Jesus’ words and turned into a lynch mob bent on killing Him right then and there (Luke 4:22-30). In a sense, the inhabitants of Nazareth are ‘Jews’ in that they belong to the Jewish people, in another sense they are not ‘Judaeans’ in that they are from the Galilee, not from Judaea (more on this below).

And in the Gospel of John, we do hear of two instances where the ‘Judaeans’ try to stone Jesus (John 8:57-59; 10:31-40). In one of these instances it would seem that the listeners were actually Jesus’ disciples: they seem to have been so offended (John 8:31)!

2.) When John speaks of hoi Ioudaioi trying to stone Jesus, it is probably more better understood as referring to “the Judaeans” (i.e. people from the province of Judaea, as opposed to, say, the Galilee or Samaria) rather than “the Jews” (i.e. the Jewish people) in general. They are actually the same word in Greek, and John’s usage of Ioudaioi is not uniform and seems to shift from one meaning to another depending on the context, so taking “the Jews” at face value is a reading prone to error.

3.) Only Rome had the power to carry out capital punishment at the time. So Jesus was crucified by Romans, under Roman law.
What do you mean by “capital” punishment? The Sanhedrin routinely authorized public stonings. And if a village mob thought they had a heretic on their hands, well…
 
What do you mean by “capital” punishment? The Sanhedrin routinely authorized public stonings.
Are you referring to the incident when Ananus ben Ananus ordered James, ‘brother of the Lord’ to be executed (and probably others as well) ? He did order his stoning, but he did so in a time when there was no governor resident in Judaea. He took advantage of the intervening period between the death of the procurator Porcius Festus and the arrival of Lucceius Albinus in AD 62, when there were no Roman officials who could curtail their right to sentence people to death.

And in any case, Ananus’ actions were widely criticized: a delegation sent by citizens upset over the perceived breach of justice met Albinus before he reached Judea, and Albinus responded with a letter informing Ananus that it was illegal to convene the Sanhedrin without Albinus’ permission and threatening to punish the priest. Ananus was deposed by Agrippa II before Albinus’ arrival (Antiquities 20.199-203):

But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity [to exercise his authority].

Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king [Agrippa], desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrim without his consent.

Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.

The Roman apparatus of government in the provinces was minimal and assumed the maintenance of existing administrative structures. In Judaea, the high priest was considered to be the responsible official and was normally in charge of ordinary police and judicial procedures, while the prefect visited Jerusalem only during great festivals or at times of urgent need to check for potential trouble.

However, with at least one exception, only the prefect (later, procurator) had the right to sentence anyone to death. Rome allowed the priests to post notices in the Temple in both Greek and Latin, warning gentiles to enter no further than a given point. Anyone - and I mean anyone - who transgressed this was put to death, even if he be a Roman citizen. But apart from this, the prefect’s right to sentence people to death was not only exclusive but also absolute; he could execute a citizen, and he did not have to formulate a charge that would stand up in a court at Rome. John 18:31 even has the priests say to Pilate: “It is not lawful for us to put any man to death.”

In these outposts of the empire, the prefect had to be able to do whatever he thought necessary for the good of Rome, and this included the power to discipline the army. If he had the right to execute a Roman citizen without a full trial, he could treat members of the subject nation more or less any way he wished. During the 1st century, the provincial ruler’s power was very considerable; it was only in the following century that authority was severely limited by the emperor himself.
And if a village mob thought they had a heretic on their hands, well…
That’s why I said ‘lynch mob’. 😉
 
Are you referring to the incident when Ananus ben Ananus ordered James, ‘brother of the Lord’ to be executed (and probably others as well) ? He did order his stoning, but he did so in a time when there was no governor resident in Judaea. He took advantage of the intervening period between the death of the procurator Porcius Festus and the arrival of Lucceius Albinus in AD 62, when there were no Roman officials who could curtail their right to sentence people to death.

And in any case, Ananus’ actions were widely criticized: a delegation sent by citizens upset over the perceived breach of justice met Albinus before he reached Judea, and Albinus responded with a letter informing Ananus that it was illegal to convene the Sanhedrin without Albinus’ permission and threatening to punish the priest. Ananus was deposed by Agrippa II before Albinus’ arrival (Antiquities 20.199-203):

But this younger Ananus, who, as we have told you already, took the high priesthood, was a bold man in his temper, and very insolent; he was also of the sect of the Sadducees, who are very rigid in judging offenders, above all the rest of the Jews, as we have already observed; when, therefore, Ananus was of this disposition, he thought he had now a proper opportunity [to exercise his authority].

Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: but as for those who seemed the most equitable of the citizens, and such as were the most uneasy at the breach of the laws, they disliked what was done; they also sent to the king [Agrippa], desiring him to send to Ananus that he should act so no more, for that what he had already done was not to be justified; nay, some of them went also to meet Albinus, as he was upon his journey from Alexandria, and informed him that it was not lawful for Ananus to assemble a sanhedrim without his consent.

Whereupon Albinus complied with what they said, and wrote in anger to Ananus, and threatened that he would bring him to punishment for what he had done; on which king Agrippa took the high priesthood from him, when he had ruled but three months, and made Jesus, the son of Damneus, high priest.

The Roman apparatus of government in the provinces was minimal and assumed the maintenance of existing administrative structures. In Judaea, the high priest was considered to be the responsible official and was normally in charge of ordinary police and judicial procedures, while the prefect visited Jerusalem only during great festivals or at times of urgent need to check for potential trouble.

However, with at least one exception, only the prefect (later, procurator) had the right to sentence anyone to death. Rome allowed the priests to post notices in the Temple in both Greek and Latin, warning gentiles to enter no further than a given point. Anyone - and I mean anyone - who transgressed this was put to death, even if he be a Roman citizen. But apart from this, the prefect’s right to sentence people to death was not only exclusive but also absolute; he could execute a citizen, and he did not have to formulate a charge that would stand up in a court at Rome. John 18:31 even has the priests say to Pilate: “It is not lawful for us to put any man to death.”

In these outposts of the empire, the prefect had to be able to do whatever he thought necessary for the good of Rome, and this included the power to discipline the army. If he had the right to execute a Roman citizen without a full trial, he could treat members of the subject nation more or less any way he wished. During the 1st century, the provincial ruler’s power was very considerable; it was only in the following century that authority was severely limited by the emperor himself.

That’s why I said ‘lynch mob’. 😉
Beg to differ. A public stoning was just that. It could be spontaneous or tacitly approved by the Sanhedrin likely with council flunkies starting things off. Hence the famous line of Jesus- he who is without sin cast the first stone.
The High Priest after Caiaphas was removed, Jonathan, authorized a band of young Priests, with the probable approval of the Sanhedrin, to go after the Christians. Stephen was one of their first victims. Saul likely led many attacks on Christians, with several, I would wager, fatalities.
To think that the Prefects and Procurators gave one whit about the common Jews is dubious. They wanted peace, and they got it by catering to the existing power groups of the time, the biggest one being the Temple priesthood. Sure, the official line was Roman law, but it would have been routinely ignored. Would the Romans have bothered to prosecute a stoning encouraged by the Sanhedrin? Tough assignment. The Prefects and Procurators lived in Caesarea, anyway, and left control of the nether regions to high military officials.
Jesus would have been done away with secretly by the Council, if the Council had convicted him. But they did not, and so he was brought to Pilate. The reference that they couldn’t kill him was more a reference to the exclusive Roman jurisdiction over capital crimes, such as usurping the authority of Caesar, which was the accusation.
Interesting, the Romans did outlaw the Sanhedrin sometime after the crucifixion of Jesus. In that interval you astutely mentioned, in A.D. 62, the young High Priest Ananus illegally convened the outlawed Sanhedrin in order to do in a few troublesome Christians. They might have also sent the young Josephus on to Rome to free a handful of Jewish {Priests that had been sent there by Felix for trial and forgotten about.
 
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