Did the Muslims actually have the science they need to claim the "miracles" they do in the Quran?

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Hey everyone. Islam claims that there are miracles in the Quran such as one about how mountains have pegs and another about how the Quran identifies portions of the brain also how the Quran identifies the embryo and compares it to a chewed substance. Did the Muslims have the science to be able to include such things in the Quran? Is it possible that they weren’t really miracles at all but were simply things that Arab science already knew? 🤷
 
I’ve seen no science in the Qur’an. I’ve only seen incredibly vague passages which if teased and tortured enough by a 21st century commentator can be fallaciously strung together with 21st century science in a post hoc manner.

If there are any genuine “miracles of the Qur’an” (or any religious scripture for that matter), then I expect the verses to stand on their own and to be obvious.

If the Qur’an seems to mention the expansion of space, I expect it to say something along the lines of “The sum total of energy existed in a singularity, infinitessimally small after which space-time expanded allowing for the coalescence of matter” Compare that with:

[al-Anbiya’ 21:30] “Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them”.

With regard to embryology, I’d expect mention of the development of dermal tissue as ectoderm, endoderm, and mesoderm, and the associated stages of blastulation and gastrulation with the (name removed by moderator)ocketing of those tissues and the formation of the digestive tract orifices, not:

[AL-MUMENOON 23: 12-14] “Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!”

Not only are these not convincing, but many of the supposed evidences for scientific foresight are factually incorrect. Bone does not precede the formation of flesh, as the preceding passage mentions. The Earth is not flat and mountains are not static, unlike what it says in Sura Al-Hijr 15:19 or in Sura An-Naml 27:61, and neither is the Earth fixed in space.
 
I’ve seen no science in the Qur’an. I’ve only seen incredibly vague passages which if teased and tortured enough by a 21st century commentator can be fallaciously strung together with 21st century science in a post hoc manner.

If there are any genuine “miracles of the Qur’an” (or any religious scripture for that matter), then I expect the verses to stand on their own and to be obvious.

If the Qur’an seems to mention the expansion of space, I expect it to say something along the lines of “The sum total of energy existed in a singularity, infinitessimally small after which space-time expanded allowing for the coalescence of matter” Compare that with:

[al-Anbiya’ 21:30] “Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the earth were of one piece, then We parted them”.

With regard to embryology, I’d expect mention of the development of dermal tissue as ectoderm, endoderm, and mesoderm, and the associated stages of blastulation and gastrulation with the (name removed by moderator)ocketing of those tissues and the formation of the digestive tract orifices, not:

[AL-MUMENOON 23: 12-14] “Verily We created man from a product of wet earth; Then placed him as a drop (of seed) in a safe lodging; Then fashioned We the drop a clot, then fashioned We the clot a little lump, then fashioned We the little lump bones, then clothed the bones with flesh, and then produced it as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators!”

Not only are these not convincing, but many of the supposed evidences for scientific foresight are factually incorrect. Bone does not precede the formation of flesh, as the preceding passage mentions. The Earth is not flat and mountains are not static, unlike what it says in Sura Al-Hijr 15:19 or in Sura An-Naml 27:61, and neither is the Earth fixed in space.
But that’s the thing, they didn’t have that kind of language back then so they would have had to explain it in language that was common to them. That is what they say.
 
Someone correct me, but didn’t the Greeks do Scientific research long before A.D. 600?

MJ
 
Someone correct me, but didn’t the Greeks do Scientific research long before A.D. 600?

MJ
They did indeed but did they do the kind of research needed to discover such information as found in the Quran?
 
The Quran used the Bible for it’s “research” on Jesus as well as books that were not inspired. I would not be surprised all the so called Science they seem to figure out was also copied from “here and there” as well.😃

MJ
 
The Quran used the Bible for it’s “research” on Jesus as well as books that were not inspired. I would not be surprised all the so called Science they seem to figure out was also copied from “here and there” as well.😃

MJ
I wouldn’t be surprised. But did science have the necessary knowledge back then for them to claim what they do claim in the Quran?
 
But that’s the thing, they didn’t have that kind of language back then so they would have had to explain it in language that was common to them. That is what they say.
It’s not necessary that they use the same terms we use today, but I’d expect some clarity nonetheless. As I showed many of these passages are incredibly vague and only “make sense in light of science” post hoc. 21st century Muslims are reading into the text what was never there to the same extent that some Christian apologists try to read science into Genesis, when nothing of the sort was intended. If one needs to provide a lengthy explanation longer than the original verse in question in order for the “science” to make sense, then chances are there’s nothing actually there. This is no different than how believers in psychic phenomena point to incredibly vague statements by psychics or media and try to say that there’s specificity to be found.

Furthermore, I actually showed cases of where Qur’an verses were factually incorrect. So even if we humor the idea that the Angel Gabriel told Muhammad about the Big Bang, he then proceeded to tell him that the Earth is flat and stationary? :confused:
 
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