Did the Old Testament Jews Teach Immortality?

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The puzzle to me was not why this lady would choose to believe in reincarnation – it is a rather popular belief in postmodern culture, although I can’t figure out why; but rather her insistence that the Bible taught it.

What sort of eisegetics would lead to that conclusion?:confused:

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The puzzle to me was not why this lady would choose to believe in reincarnation – it is a rather popular belief in postmodern culture, although I can’t figure out why; but rather her insistence that the Bible taught it.

What sort of eisegetics would lead to that conclusion?:confused:

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Who knows for this particular person? Maybe she’s into Hinduism. I doubt, however, she is all that knowledgeable about the teachings of the Tanakh (Old Testament), and particularly the Torah (Pentateuch). So what kind of exegesis of the Bible? Most likely none, although she may have read the Kabbalah (good luck with understanding that book!), which is not binding for traditional Orthodox Jews, although very religious Hasidic branches of Orthodoxy study it.
 
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**You’re confused, Charlemagne, due to differing opinions within the Jewish faith? Welcome to Judaism! **

I gotcha! 😉 Seems the Protestant and the Jews are all over the map, and the Catholics are spreading out too nowadays!
Jews ARE all over the map, in a sense. However, as with most Catholics, there are certain very basic dogma that nearly all Jews believe. Maimonides’ Thirteen Articles of Faith sums it up quite nicely.
 
It’s Kabbalah mystical teaching believed by many (probably not all) Hasidic Jews. But it’s not part of traditional Torah Judaism (Orthodox Judaism). I don’t think belief in reincarnation is forbidden in traditional Orthodoxy; however, it must be understood NOT in terms of Karma (reward or punishment) but rather for the purpose of enabling an individual to fulfill all 613 commandments in the Torah, which they were not able to do the first time around.
Hm, interesting, thanks! I must be on my first life, then. In the next life, in Jerusalem… 😃
 
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**Maimonides’ Thirteen Articles of Faith sums it up quite nicely. **

So you are saying the Jews do have something comparable to the Nicene Creed that stands for all Catholics and most Protestants?
 
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**Maimonides’ Thirteen Articles of Faith sums it up quite nicely. **

So you are saying the Jews do have something comparable to the Nicene Creed that stands for all Catholics and most Protestants?
The Principles or Articles of Faith formulated by Maimonides seems to ME a creed even though many Jews, more learned than I, will say that Judaism is basically a religion of practice (orthoprax) rather than faith (creedal or orthodox). In other words, the practice of Judaism (i.e. following the Mosaic Law) is more important than the expression of faith. This may sound strange to Christians, most of whom would probably say that faith is the pillar on which practice (i.e. good works and ritual) are built. I know that for Catholics faith without works is meaningless, but faith is still generally seen as the basis for everything else. Otherwise, if one doesn’t believe in Catholic dogma and doctrines, yet does good works, one may be a good person but not a Catholic. In Judaism, it is in a way the reverse. If one calls oneself a Jew by means of faith in Jewish “core principles” but does not practice the religion according to Torah commandments, one is in effect not regarded as a good Jew. (One is still regarded as Jewish, however.) The fact is, for Torah Judaism, the principles of Judaism ARE the practice of Judaism, but of course in a meaningful and spiritual way, not merely in terms of legalistic ritual. It sounds confusing but that’s my understanding of it. Nevertheless, when one examines Maimonides’ Principles of Faith, one can see (at least I do) that there is also somewhat of a creed in Judaism. I invite my fellow Jews or knowledgeable Catholics (as well as Protestants, Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, agnostics, atheists, and others) to correct me if I’m wrong or to elaborate on what I’ve said.
 
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In Judaism, it is in a way the reverse. If one calls oneself a Jew by means of faith in Jewish “core principles” but does not practice the religion according to Torah commandments, one is in effect not regarded as a good Jew.

Well that’s consistent with Christ’s own teaching for sure.

"By their fruits you will know them…. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit…. Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’ Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you. Depart from me, you evildoers.’” Matthew 7:15-23
 
Upon further reflection, since the resurrection of the dead is one of the thirteen articles of faith according to Maimonides (and since Torah Judaism is based on both scripture and rabbinical tradition), it probably is a tenet among Orthodox Jews.
Charlemagne II’s question got me googling for info; and I found this from the Psalmist that may lend some support to the possibility that the Jewish people in the distant centuries past could have taught immortality: The poor shall eat and shall be filled: and they shall praise the Lord that seek him: their hearts shall live for ever and ever (Psalm 22:26).
 
**The poor shall eat and shall be filled: and they shall praise the Lord that seek him: their hearts shall live for ever and ever (Psalm 22:26). **

Yet this does seem to be a reticent way of stating any belief in immortality, doesn’t it?

One might expect a more direct development of the doctrine if it truly was believed in and animated the Jews with any kind of enthusiasm. What I would really like to know is at what period the Pharisees adopted the belief in life after death. It almost seems as if the doctrine developed without any formal creedal statement to be found in Scriptures, even though passages such as the one you cite suggest the belief may have been lingering beneath the surface and only emerged full fledged by the time of the Parisees who were contemporaries of Jesus. Since the Sadducees were still around at that time, it’s apparent the doctrine was not fully accepted and would not be accepted until the gradual disappearance of the Sadducees after the Diaspora, as someone mentioned earlier in this thread.
 
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