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ioannes_pius
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Pope Francis didn’t come up with this: it is in the Compendium of the Social Teaching of the Church, word for word.
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Peeps
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I don’t think Catholics are “waiting to catch Pope Francis out.”I am not a Catholic, so I find it curious how often people seem to ask questions along the lines of, “Did the pope just say something that is contrary to Catholic teaching?” One could almost believe that there is a whole faction within the Church that is just waiting to catch him out!
I think that we have seen numerous examples of the secular media taking his statements out of context and giving the world the impression that the Pope has endorsed something or condemned something-when in reality, he did nothing of the kind.
I know that when these “reports” first started coming out, I was concerned about “encroaching liberalism”, but as time has passed, I’ve learned to ignore secular media reports about Pope Francis. They have always turned out to be taken out of context, or even misquoted (embellished by the reporter).
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EmilyAlexandra
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I do actually agree with you in many cases. I think often it’s because the journalists are not necessarily specialist religion correspondents. I remember reading an article in which a journalist seemed genuinely surprised that Pope Francis was maintaining the Catholic Church’s position of being against abortion. She seemed to think that because Francis was seen as something of a reformer, conveying a softer image than many of his predecessors, he would also be jettisoning the Church’s core doctrinal positions.
What I have also seen, however, and this is what I was really referring to, are people who criticise the pope from within the Church. I think I have posted before about Deacon Nick Donnelly, a permanent deacon of the diocese of Lancaster in the northwest of England. He has a Twitter account, although currently most of his posts are about Donald Trump, Brexit, and coronavirus:
https://twitter.com/ProtecttheFaith
Dig a little deeper, however, and he is also busy accusing the pope (whom he refers to as “Bergoglio” or “Mr Jorge Bergoglio”) of heresy:
https://twitter.com/ProtecttheFaith/status/1310497176632598528?s=20
https://twitter.com/ProtecttheFaith/status/1319617176001826826?s=20
Just a random selection of some of his most recent comments.
This is not somebody who doesn’t know what he is talking about. He is a permanent deacon and published theologian who has held numerous positions at diocesan level.
What I have also seen, however, and this is what I was really referring to, are people who criticise the pope from within the Church. I think I have posted before about Deacon Nick Donnelly, a permanent deacon of the diocese of Lancaster in the northwest of England. He has a Twitter account, although currently most of his posts are about Donald Trump, Brexit, and coronavirus:
https://twitter.com/ProtecttheFaith
Dig a little deeper, however, and he is also busy accusing the pope (whom he refers to as “Bergoglio” or “Mr Jorge Bergoglio”) of heresy:
https://twitter.com/ProtecttheFaith/status/1310497176632598528?s=20
https://twitter.com/ProtecttheFaith/status/1319617176001826826?s=20
Just a random selection of some of his most recent comments.
This is not somebody who doesn’t know what he is talking about. He is a permanent deacon and published theologian who has held numerous positions at diocesan level.
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goout
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Why do you need clarification? Are you in a moral dilemma involving a property donation?Please, anyone, I really need information and/or clarification about this topic.
Are you in politics and involved in passing legislation?
In addition to the clear position of the Church on this issue, it should also be noted that we as individuals do not have rights to any and all information that we demand, and we do not have rights to clarifications of things that are not clear to us.
The Church is not a modern American media-driven democracy. And we should not look upon Church leaders as just another political leader to be treated with skepticism.
At some point we have a responsibility to let others speak (especially those in authority), and to take their words in good faith docility rather than skepticism. And if there is confusion and anxiety about the meanings of words, to take responsibility for our own education.
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Dan123
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Looking over red state nation I don’t get the impression they’re anything but a large opinion piece factory producing mostly clickbait. I’m not saying you can’t find examples of actual secular media doing what you said, but lumping borderline propaganda sites in with media at least trying to pretend to have some objectivity seems like an issue.I think that we have seen numerous examples of the secular media taking his statements out of context and giving the world the impression that the Pope has endorsed something or condemned something-when in reality, he did nothing of the kind.
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pnewton
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That Twitter account is off the deep end. I have no respect for those that refuse to show respect. He is Pope Francis. Anyone who is not willing to be in union with him as Pope is not in union with the Catholic Church. If this is legit, all I can say is there have always been heretics and dissenters that have popped up from time to time in the Church. I do not have any idea about this particular person. I am only saying it does happen.I think I have posted before about Deacon Nick Donnelly
By the way, I did flag the post, not because of you, but because that type of nastiness against the Pope is not only very sinful, it is also a major violations of terms of service to engage in such flagrant attacks against any clergy, much less the Pope. It is not a reflection on you though, and I am glad to know the name of this person for future reference going forward.
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EmilyAlexandra
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Yes, he sadly is absolutely legit. Well, not or at all legit… But yes, he is a genuine ordained permanent deacon of the Diocese of Lancaster and even holds the bishop’s mandatum as an approved Catholic theology teacher. He helped to establish the School of the Annunciation at Buckfast Abbey and has designed catechesis programmes for several dioceses.
His bishop and that bishop’s predecessor have tried to shut down his social media activities. At one point I believe he had his wife running his social media to circumvent a request from his bishop to desist. This was all reported in the media in the UK at the time and got quite a bit of attention as it coincided with a visit by Pope Benedict XVI. He occasionally softens his stance, e.g. at one time his Twitter profile said “Catholic, not Bergoglian”, but that was changed to something less obviously subversive. My guess is that he temporarily behaves himself after a talking to from the bishop and then resumes when he thinks the bishop isn’t looking.
His bishop and that bishop’s predecessor have tried to shut down his social media activities. At one point I believe he had his wife running his social media to circumvent a request from his bishop to desist. This was all reported in the media in the UK at the time and got quite a bit of attention as it coincided with a visit by Pope Benedict XVI. He occasionally softens his stance, e.g. at one time his Twitter profile said “Catholic, not Bergoglian”, but that was changed to something less obviously subversive. My guess is that he temporarily behaves himself after a talking to from the bishop and then resumes when he thinks the bishop isn’t looking.
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