Did the Pope write this?

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In his “Principles of Catholic Theology” in which he says such things as “The Resurrection cannot be an historical event in the same sense as was the Crucifixion”

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I believe that thread is on a different topic. As to the crucifixion being historical and the resurrection not. If Benedict said that, he is correct in that the crucifixion was a public event, perhaps recorded by mention in Josephus’s history. The resurrection on the other hand is not recorded outside of scripture and requires acceptance on faith. In the world as we know it a crucifixion is a possible true event even for an atheist, while a resurrection is an other-worldly-event.
 
IT SEEMS TO be suggesting how ever that the ressurection didnt happen like the cruxcification did.

saint paulsaysifchrist didnt riseour faith isin vain, so i dont seehow he couldsay this .but hedid … :eek:

"There will come a German Anti-Pope. Italy and Germany will be sorely troubled …"Father Gerald Culleton, The Prophets and Our Times, 1941

then i found this …im very perplexed by the comments of our pope
 
im sorry folks, but im really perplexed by this comment by our pope,to the point it’sreally bothering me . I feel my faith his been hindered to some degree. Id like a Catholic who knows the faith well , give me an answer as to why the holy father would say this??
 
Mike, can you please provide us with a credible link? If there is one,
please show the post where it is located.
 
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im sorry folks, but im really perplexed by this comment by our pope,to the point it’sreally bothering me . I feel my faith his been hindered to some degree. Id like a Catholic who knows the faith well , give me an answer as to why the holy father would say this??
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Your faith must be pretty shaky if it gets troubled by hearsay!
 
My faith is shaky, I desire it to be stronger , please pray for me my brother .
 
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MIKED777:
IT SEEMS TO be suggesting how ever that the ressurection didnt happen like the cruxcification did.
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Just the phrase taken out of context says to me what rwoehmke posted: the Crucifixion is historically cited outside of Sacred Scripture; the Resurrection is not. That’s all. He’s talking about history, it seems. Not about faith in Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition.

According to Amazon, “Principles of Catholic Theology” written by then-Cardinal Ratzinger was published in 1987. I doubt there is an internet link to the section you refer to. Can you give a brief explanation of the sentences before and after your quote from the book?
 
here it is “The Resurrection cannot be a[n] historical event in the same sense as [was] the Crucifixion …” Principles of Catholic Theology; Building Stones for a Fundamental Theology, page 186

I guess we need to buy the book,but i find this very distrubing
 
geocities.com/prakashjm45/ggrr.html

this is where i found out about this saying from the pope. granted its from one of those ultra traditional catholic not in union with rome churches but hedoes site the book and page of the saying from ourpope.
 
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MIKED777:
here it is “The Resurrection cannot be a[n] historical event in the same sense as [was] the Crucifixion …” Principles of Catholic Theology; Building Stones for a Fundamental Theology, page 186

I guess we need to buy the book,but i find this very distrubing
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It would be nice to see a couple three paragraphs before I’d get too disturbed.

I can pull some lines out of context from just about any book, including the bible, that you might find very disturbing.
 
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MIKED777:
here it is “The Resurrection cannot be a[n] historical event in the same sense as [was] the Crucifixion …” Principles of Catholic Theology; Building Stones for a Fundamental Theology, page 186

I guess we need to buy the book,but i find this very distrubing
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He said it’s not a historical event, not that it isn’t a real event. The bombing of Hiroshima was a historical event. The destruction of the Berlin Wall was a historical event. My thirteenth birthday party was not.

The Resurrection was a private thing witnessed and understood by a select few. It is real, supremely so, but it’s not a historical event. It’s not something that received the notice of the secular world. The Crucifixion, however, was indeed a historical event, if a relatively minor one. The world took notice of the upset that the murder of this particular backwater rabbi caused among the Jews. It was noted by both Jewish and non-Jewish historians, and referenced for years afterwards by non-Christians. This means that we can study the history of the crucifixion, and its context, fully apart from the Deposit of Faith: everyone knew, and knows (or should) that this guy named Jesus was Crucified at a certain time under the Roman governer Pontius Pilate in Palestine. Everyone from, from pagan to atheist to Pharisee had access to the knowledge and record of this event, and would have acknowledged it as a real occurance. The same can’t be said of the Resurrection.

In short, we can engage in discussions with non-Christians about the event of the Crucifixion without needing to take anything on Faith.

That’s all Ratzinger was saying 🙂

Peace and God bless!
 
hmm I Seem to understand better now. did you read his book?? and thank you for your explantion i found it helpful
 
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here it is “The Resurrection cannot be a[n] historical event in the same sense as [was] the Crucifixion …” Principles of Catholic Theology; Building Stones for a Fundamental Theology, page 186
I guess we need to buy the book,but i find this very distrubing
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:confused: Mike, that’s the same sentence you started the post with. Did I miss somewhere what’s before & after it? You say “I guess we need to buy the book” . . . does that mean you don’t have the book?
 
MIKED777 said:
geocities.com/prakashjm45/ggrr.html

this is where i found out about this saying from the pope. granted its from one of those ultra traditional catholic not in union with rome churches but hedoes site the book and page of the saying from ourpope.
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I see, you got the quote from this website. Mike, that site is not reputable. At any rate, the quote they supply makes sense to me as he is speaking historically. As Ghosty explains, not every event that ever happened can be considered “historical”.
 
Never take anything written on a schismatic website (or by a schismatic in any media form) at face value-always with a grain of salt.

They are professionals at cutting and pasting things out of context to “prove” their point and make someone look like a heretic. Also, just look at the extremely sensationalistic tone, that is always a major red flag to look for. Second, any author that likes to rely on questionable “prophecy” or private revelation is another red flag to look for.

The sedevacantists (especially the ones that are found at the farthest expanses of left field) tend to like to do the old cut and paste with private revelation. Remember, private revelation isn’t binding on the Faithful and only Holy Mother Church can really tell us what it means to the rest of us, if anything.

My personal reccomendation to you if you are shaky in your faith would be to quit checking out radical traditionalist and sedevacantist sites or other media. Just like the sensationalists in the protestant camp, they are fishing for anyone like you who may have come to a point in their lives where they have questions and the sedevacantists are there with easy answers.

Us folks who have that slant towards a more traditional form of Catholicism have all probably read something by the sedevacantists and maybe thought to themselves, “Hey, that is a good point. I never thought of it that way…” or “Yeah, that papal document does seem to be saying that…” I know I have. But, for the good of your soul-ignore them. You can address the questions they pose once you are firmly grounded in orthodox Catholicism.
 
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