Did the Trinity Break Apart?

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If my understanding is correct, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one God, not separate, individual Gods. If that is true, how could God the Father abandon God the Son(My God, why have you abandoned me)? Was the Trinity, for a short time, containing only two of the persons?
 
God is, was, and ever will be a triune God. Jesus was God in the flesh. Note, at the time of Christ’s death, there was a big earthquake and the veil in the temple was torn in two. There was other things going on as well, but it would have been a scary place for those who were there. And yet, many still miss the point.
 
Christy_Beth said:
God is, was, and ever will be a triune God. Jesus was God in the flesh. Note, at the time of Christ’s death, there was a big earthquake and the veil in the temple was torn in two. There was other things going on as well, but it would have been a scary place for those who were there. And yet, many still miss the point.
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But then how did God the Father “abandon” God the Son? They are three in one, right? If Jesus was still a part of the Trinity, how could the other two persons “abandon” him?
 
tonsofquestions said:
But then how did God the Father “abandon” God the Son? They are three in one, right? If Jesus was still a part of the Trinity, how could the other two persons “abandon” him?
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Because he was praying the 22nd psalm
 
Jesus is God and Man, the union of the Divinity and the Humanity in the Second Person of the Trinity. He was praying the psalm as Man for two reasons: because He was experiencing the last agony which poor sinners experierence and because He was telling His enemies that, though He suffered and died, He was actually triumphant.

The Father is in the Son, the Son is in the Father, and the Father and the Son is in the Holy Spirit. Or to put it in Beatles words: “I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.”
 
*1: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?
2: O my God, I cry by day, but thou dost not answer; and by night, but find no rest.
3: Yet thou art holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel.
4: In thee our fathers trusted; they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5: To thee they cried, and were saved; in thee they trusted, and were not disappointed.
6: But I am a worm, and no man; scorned by men, and despised by the people.
7: All who see me mock at me, they make mouths at me, they wag their heads;
8: “He committed his cause to the LORD; let him deliver him, let him rescue him, for he delights in him!”
9: Yet thou art he who took me from the womb; thou didst keep me safe upon my mother’s breasts.
10: Upon thee was I cast from my birth, and since my mother bore me thou hast been my God.
11: Be not far from me, for trouble is near and there is none to help.
12: Many bulls encompass me, strong bulls of Bashan surround me;
13: they open wide their mouths at me, like a ravening and roaring lion.
14: I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax, it is melted within my breast;
15: my strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue cleaves to my jaws; thou dost lay me in the dust of death.
16: Yea, dogs are round about me; a company of evildoers encircle me; they have pierced my hands and feet –
17: I can count all my bones – they stare and gloat over me;
18: they divide my garments among them, and for my raiment they cast lots.
19: But thou, O LORD, be not far off! O thou my help, hasten to my aid!
20: Deliver my soul from the sword, my life from the power of the dog!
21: Save me from the mouth of the lion, my afflicted soul from the horns of the wild oxen!
22: I will tell of thy name to my brethren; in the midst of the congregation I will praise thee:
23: You who fear the LORD, praise him! all you sons of Jacob, glorify him, and stand in awe of him, all you sons of Israel!
24: For he has not despised or abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; and he has not hid his face from him, but has heard, when he cried to him.
25: From thee comes my praise in the great congregation; my vows I will pay before those who fear him.
26: The afflicted shall eat and be satisfied; those who seek him shall praise the LORD! May your hearts live for ever!
27: All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the LORD; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him.
28: For dominion belongs to the LORD, and he rules over the nations.
29: Yea, to him shall all the proud of the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and he who cannot keep himself alive.
30: Posterity shall serve him; men shall tell of the Lord to the coming generation,
31: and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, that he has wrought it.
/I]

As you probably know, the Psalms are prayers. Jesus was simply starting to pray the 22nd Psalm, which in and of itself, is a picture of the crucifixion.*
 
CWBetts said:
*1: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, from the words of my groaning?
2: O my God, I cry by day, but thou dost not answer; and by night, but find no rest.
3: Yet thou art holy, enthroned on the praises of Israel.
4: In thee our fathers trusted; they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
5: To thee they cried, and were saved; in thee they trusted, and were not disappointed.
6: But I am a worm, and no man; scorned by men, and despised by the people.
7: All who see me mock at me, they make mouths at me, they wag their heads;
8: “He committed his cause to the LORD; let him deliver him, let him rescue him, for he delights in him!”
9: Yet thou art he who took me from the womb; thou didst keep me safe upon my mother’s breasts.
10: Upon thee was I cast from my birth, and since my mother bore me thou hast been my God.
11: Be not far from me, for trouble is near and there is none to help.
12: Many bulls encompass me, strong bulls of Bashan surround me;
13: they open wide their mouths at me, like a ravening and roaring lion.
14: I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint; my heart is like wax, it is melted within my breast;
15: my strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue cleaves to my jaws; thou dost lay me in the dust of death.
16: Yea, dogs are round about me; a company of evildoers encircle me; they have pierced my hands and feet –
17: I can count all my bones – they stare and gloat over me;
18: they divide my garments among them, and for my raiment they cast lots.
19: But thou, O LORD, be not far off! O thou my help, hasten to my aid!
20: Deliver my soul from the sword, my life from the power of the dog!
21: Save me from the mouth of the lion, my afflicted soul from the horns of the wild oxen!
22: I will tell of thy name to my brethren; in the midst of the congregation I will praise thee:
23: You who fear the LORD, praise him! all you sons of Jacob, glorify him, and stand in awe of him, all you sons of Israel!
24: For he has not despised or abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; and he has not hid his face from him, but has heard, when he cried to him.
25: From thee comes my praise in the great congregation; my vows I will pay before those who fear him.
26: The afflicted shall eat and be satisfied; those who seek him shall praise the LORD! May your hearts live for ever!
27: All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to the LORD; and all the families of the nations shall worship before him.
28: For dominion belongs to the LORD, and he rules over the nations.
29: Yea, to him shall all the proud of the earth bow down; before him shall bow all who go down to the dust, and he who cannot keep himself alive.
30: Posterity shall serve him; men shall tell of the Lord to the coming generation,
31: and proclaim his deliverance to a people yet unborn, that he has wrought it.
/I]

As you probably know, the Psalms are prayers. Jesus was simply starting to pray the 22nd Psalm, which in and of itself, is a picture of the crucifixion.*

Are you saying that God did not actually abandon Jesus, that Jesus was just reciting the prayer?
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It is not possible for the Father to abandon the Son such that they become separated. It is possible, and did happen, for the Son-made-flesh, Jesus, to feel abandoned by the Father and to cry out to him, as the Son of Man as well as the Son of God, using these words from the beginning of a psalm.
 
CWBetts said:
That is exactly what I am saying. He didn’t finish it because, well he was being crucified and in excruciating pain.
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dcana said:
It is not possible for the Father to abandon the Son such that they become separated. It is possible, and did happen, for the Son-made-flesh, Jesus, to feel abandoned by the Father and to cry out to him, as the Son of Man as well as the Son of God, using these words from the beginning of a psalm.
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There are other Catholics on this site who disagree with you. They believe God really abandoned Jesus. Does anyone know the official Church teaching on this and what is your source?
 
tonsofquestions said:
There are other Catholics on this site who disagree with you. They believe God really abandoned Jesus. Does anyone know the official Church teaching on this and what is your source?
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Catechism of the Catholic Church Paragraph 603:

Jesus did not experience reprobation as if he himself had sinned. But in the redeeming love that always united him to the Father, he assumed us in the waywardness of our sin, to the point that he could say in our name from the cross: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Havomg thus established solidarity with us sinners, God “did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for all” so that we might be "reconciled to God by the death of his Son. (Emphasis mine)

So you see Jesus prayed the 22nd Psalm not for himself, but for us! He did it in our stead. Does this make sense?
 
CWBetts said:
Catechism of the Catholic Church Paragraph 603:

Jesus did not experience reprobation as if he himself had sinned. But in the redeeming love that always united him to the Father, he assumed us in the waywardness of our sin, to the point that he could say in our name from the cross: “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Havomg thus established solidarity with us sinners, God “did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for all” so that we might be "reconciled to God by the death of his Son. (Emphasis mine)

So you see Jesus prayed the 22nd Psalm not for himself, but for us! He did it in our stead. Does this make sense?
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Thank you very much.
 
No problem. I was fairly certain i was right, but I was not sure on the “Official” Church teaching, or even if there was one! So you made me dig, and I learned something in the process. I should be thanking you.
 
God the Father never abandoned Jesus just as He never abandons any of us no matter how sinful. Doesn’t prevent us from FEELING abandoned by Him at times, though!

Jesus took sin upon Himself - was ‘made into sin’ as St Paul interestingly puts it. That includes the feeling (a false feeling) of abandonment by God that people often feel after they’ve sinned.
 
tonsofquestions said:
If my understanding is correct, God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one God, not separate, individual Gods. If that is true, how could God the Father abandon God the Son(My God, why have you abandoned me)? Was the Trinity, for a short time, containing only two of the persons?
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how do you know that jesus actually said this?
 
wasmit said:
how do you know that jesus actually said this?
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Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, la’ma sabach-tha’ni?” that is, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”

Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, “E’lo-i, E’lo-i, la’ma sabach-tha’ni?” which means, “My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?”

That is how we know he said it.
 
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