Did the Vatican house Nazi war criminals?

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Libero:
I sincerely doubt that the Vatican housed Nazi war criminals, in fact it was quite the opposite, the Vaticans summer residence, Castle Gondolfo housed over 3000 jews during the holocaust - and I did hear that one on a documentary in England - thus it is so unlikely it will be biased, the presenter was not a Catholic!!😛
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Also friend, my sister and I are both Catholic. If your referring to me as the “presenter” .
 
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Marilena:
Also friend, my sister and I are both Catholic. If your referring to me as the “presenter” .
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Nope, absolutely no hostility coming from me what so ever, I am usually on the receiving end of it 😛
I mean the presenter of the show, he is a sort of historian.

Libero 🙂
 
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Libero:
Nope, absolutely no hostility coming from me what so ever, I am usually on the receiving end of it 😛
I mean the presenter of the show, he is a sort of historian.

Libero 🙂
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Thank you for clarifying that 🙂
 
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Marilena:
I didn’t demand anything! I asked about it.
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Marilena,

No, no, you certainly weren’t demanding anything, and I apologize that I gave the impression that you were. I had thought that your sister was demanding a proof that the Vatican hadn’t helped Nazi war criminals; this also was an unwarranted assumption on my part (since I have never met your sister). It is my experience that this sort of charge against the Church is usually accompanied by a demand for some sort of “proof” that it is wrong, and I was making that extra leap.

My point is that such proof is often impossible to come by, not because the Church is guilty as charged, but because the charges are so vague that it is impossible to prove that “no Catholic at any time ever did anything that might be interpreted as this.” Possibly I have been hanging around anti-Catholics for too long.
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Under the Reichstag, Catholics and Protestant Churches were allowed to practice their faith.
 
She may be thinking of this movie, and like tim taylor confused the facts with fiction.
Amen (2002)
Reviewed by Neil Smith
Updated 04 July 2002

With films like “Missing”, “Betrayed”, and “Music Box”, Greek director Costa-Gavras has never been afraid of controversy. But he might have opened his biggest can of worms to date with this inflammatory historical thriller, which asked why Pope Pius XII and the Catholic Church didn’t speak out against the Nazi Holocaust.
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The film-maker has chosen as his hero the disconcerting real-life figure of Kurt Gerstein (Takur), a German SS officer who was pivotal in the development of the Zyklon B gas used to exterminate Jews in the death camps, a gas he originally created for use on animals. Appalled by what he had witnessed, Gerstein tried to sabotage his own production line while informing the Allies of the atrocities.
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“Amen” parallels Gerstein’s Schindler-esque mission with that of an idealistic young Jesuit (Kassovitz), who struggles to make the Pope (Iures) speak out against the Nazis. This is not the place to debate the Vatican’s role, but Costa-Gavras offers a most persuasive study of its shortcomings - the repercussions of which may still be felt long after his drama has been and gone.
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The formal, restrained treatment mercifully keeps the horrors of the Holocaust at bay, but it does make it hard at times to identify with the protagonists. Indeed, the most charismatic character here is also the most hateful - a Nazi “doctor” last seen heading off to Argentina. It’s strangely appropriate, though, in a movie where evil seems to have God’s blessing.
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bbc.co.uk/films/2002/07/04/amen_2002_review.shtml
 
Look up Judith Stein. Read what Albert Einstein, Golda Meir, and others who leved through it wrote about the Churches saving tens of thousands of Jews from the Nazis, many sheltered right in the Popes own residence.
 
No’

What the Vatican has done his stand steadfast against abortion and homosexuality. That is what these attacks are about. Not what was done in 60 years ago but what is being done today.
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The myths about the Pope during the war are so far off based as to be laughable. The Truth is that the Pope did everything in his power to protect the Jews from further suffering.

The reason he is being considered for canonization is precisely because of his actions to oppose the Nazis during the war. The Pope ordered all churches, monasteries and convents open to take in Jews, He also devised a scheme to make up thousands of fake Baptismal certificates to give to Jews so they could escape persecution.

The fact of the matter is that no one else in all Christendom did more to combat the atrocities of Hitler than the Pope. After the war the Pope was commended by Jewish leaders attesting to this fact. The Vatican itself employed thousands of Jews, hoping to protect them from the Nazis. The Pope saved thousands if not hundreds of thousands.

The idea that some folks would spread vicious rumors about this saintly man is truly scandalous.
 
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JimmyV:
No truth to this charge. You and your sister may wish to take a look at the resources available on this web site. ratzingerfanclub.com/PiusXII/
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No one made a “charge” I was only asking so let’s be clear shall we? My sister asked me to post this. As for the resource, I will look it up. My sister made the statement based on the documentary she watched. I did not watch it. Please don’t personally
attack me. Thank you. I did not make a “charge”.
 
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wcknight:
The myths about the Pope during the war are so far off based as to be laughable. The Truth is that the Pope did everything in his power to protect the Jews from further suffering.

The reason he is being considered for canonization is precisely because of his actions to oppose the Nazis during the war. The Pope ordered all churches, monasteries and convents open to take in Jews, He also devised a scheme to make up thousands of fake Baptismal certificates to give to Jews so they could escape persecution.

The fact of the matter is that no one else in all Christendom did more to combat the atrocities of Hitler than the Pope. After the war the Pope was commended by Jewish leaders attesting to this fact. The Vatican itself employed thousands of Jews, hoping to protect them from the Nazis. The Pope saved thousands if not hundreds of thousands.

The idea that some folks would spread vicious rumors about this saintly man is truly scandalous.
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Iam not spreading “scandolous rumours” I was asked to post a question based on what my sister had watched on a documentary. Do not personally attack me please. I do not appreciate it.
 
Marilena - I did not read their posts to mean that you were making the charges or spreading scandalous rumors. They are referring to the people who make documentaries like the one you are describing.
 
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Marilena:
Iam not spreading “scandolous rumours” I was asked to post a question based on what my sister had watched on a documentary. Do not personally attack me please. I do not appreciate it.
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I most certainly wasn’t attacking you. I realize you’re passing on what your sister saw on TV. I wasn’t even attacking your sister.

There is no doubt that the Vatican came out tomorrow and supported homosexual marriage and abortion on demand all the criticism of their actions in World War II would cease.
 
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estesbob:
I most certainly wasn’t attacking you. I realize you’re passing on what your sister saw on TV. I wasn’t even attacking your sister.

There is no doubt that the Vatican came out tomorrow and supported homosexual marriage and abortion on demand all the criticism of their actions in World War II would cease.
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I agree 100%, do you hear any attacks on Islamic countries for doing squat to help the Jews? Or any other denomination? Are the French still derided for cheering Hitler on, and handing over Jews like good newlyindoctrinated nazi’s? (Well O.K. maybe a little). Fact is the Catholic Church did a lot to help the Jews, so much so that it’s estimated 800,000 lives were saved by the Catholic Church.

zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=82947

catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0039.html

zenit.org/english/visualizza.phtml?sid=65134

catholicsocialscientists.org/PartIV–PublicandChurchAffairs.htm

catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0028.html

catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=1064

In the end the lesson of the holocaust was humanity failed, we all failed to do more, Pope Pius is being made a complete scapegoat, and it’s unfair.

Bottom line if the Church gave in to the liberal movements of the last 40 years, this wouldn’t be an issue.
 
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Marilena:
No one made a “charge” I was only asking so let’s be clear shall we? My sister asked me to post this. As for the resource, I will look it up. My sister made the statement based on the documentary she watched. I did not watch it. Please don’t personally
attack me. Thank you. I did not make a “charge”.
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Marilena, I did not attack you or your sister nor did I say you made the “charge.” However, a “charge” was made in the documentary your sister watched. I’m not really sure why you think my comments were a personal attack against you. B-T-W, did you find the web site useful?
 
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