Did this priest break the Seal of Confession?

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I go to a small Catholic University, and I was making a quick confession with a priest in his office. During the confession, the priest thought of a relevant quote from a book that he thought would help explain a question I had. The quote he read was about Heaven and Hell, and not directly related to any sin in particular. During this, a custodial worker/student walks in and does his rounds quickly, sweeping the floors of the small room. The priest notices, but continues explaining the quote, just saying that Hell isn’t as easy to o get into as I thought. The cleaning guy heard this, I’m pretty sure, and it might have implied to him that I thought I had committed a serious sin, but no specific sin was mentioned (I’m pretty sure, the details are fuzzy). Did this priest break the seal? Also, can I get some sources saying whether he did/didn’t? Should I be asking a priest this?
No, he did not.

And canon law makes clear what occurs in this situation as well: the janitor is likewise under the seal of confession and is not allowed to discuss your circumstances (if he overheard those) with anyone… nor even allowed to discuss the fact that he saw you there confessing.
 
The priest did not break the seal of confession and I can see no reason to report him to the bishop. He could have told the janitor to come back later (and in my opinion he should have), but the fact that he did not does not amount to more than a bit of social tactlessness
if you ask a priest for confession in his office, then you are also open to all the interruptions that his office is subject too. If you want to guarantee undisturbed confession go in the box at Church.
I think this is a separate issue. I always confess face to face and we have interruptions almost every time but this does not mean they have to be distracting or worrying.
 
My final thought - if you ask a priest for confession in his office, then you are also open to all the interruptions that his office is subject too.

If you want to guarantee undisturbed confession go in the box at Church.
That doesn’t mean you wont be interrupted. Twice it happened to me that someone came into the confessional while I was in there.

It did happen once that a janitor came into the hallway to change a light bulb when I was going to confession in the priest’s office. He usually kept the office door open since there was a door on both sides of the hall and his was the only office there and no one but him used the hall. He simply put his finger over his lips and softly said “shhhhh.”
 
I have to agree. I don’t think this one particular point is one of scrupulosity.
Scrupulosity is never one point. You can only go by a sum of many points to see if someone is leaning that way.

As stated;
Your othre posts show a high level of scrupulosity and anxiety. You need to talk to your priest about these issues.
This post (point) along with others.
 
I have to agree. I don’t think this one particular point is one of scrupulosity.

Having said that, I don’t think the priest broke the seal of confession either. While I could see why some may feel it was innapropriate (although I think it was just fine), the cleaning guy MAY have heard a few sentences and even then wouldn’t have the full context of the discussion. You know the context of the discussion and probably carry the guilt/embarresment of whatever sin you committed, which probably leads to a more critical view of the priest’s actions.
I was a custodian at a large hospital.We were instructed to check a room was unoccupied before walking in.How would you like to be in the middle of a physical exam when the janitor walks in?I did know of an incidence when a janitor interrupted a consultation and he got the the worst bawling out .What is wrong with knocking or lightly tapping on a door before barging in? Her should have turned back immediately he seen the room was occupied
 
When my uncle was a kid and he did his first confession he said he confessed to bullying his sister. The priest was a good friend of the family and quite a character. This was back when everything was confessed behind a screen so he was quite surprised when the door to his side swung open and the priest yanked him out of the confessional. He then proceeded to give him nuggies on the head while saying, “So how does it feel?!”

As far as I know, the head nuggies were his penance. I have to wonder if anyone was made aware of the nature of my uncle’s confession during that incident. 🙂
 
I don’t know if he broke the seal per say, but it was in poor judgement to allow another person into the room.
 
No, although this is one example as to why Confessionals are important and that Confessions should not be ordinarily heard just anywhere.

But the priest did not break the seal. However, the cleaner is now bound to the same seal as the priest. He cannot even relate what Father quoted on pain of grave sin.
No, he did not.

And canon law makes clear what occurs in this situation as well: the janitor is likewise under the seal of confession and is not allowed to discuss your circumstances (if he overheard those) with anyone… nor even allowed to discuss the fact that he saw you there confessing.
The janitor would only be bound if he knew that a confession was going on.

As the janitor did not hear any sins confessed and he most likely did not know a confession was taking place he is not bound.

If one has nothing to reveal then one can not be bound.
 
During this, a custodial worker/student walks in and does his rounds quickly, sweeping the floors of the small room.
Wow. What a messed up place.
 
Wow. What a messed up place.
How is it messed up?

I have worked in many offices in my life and it is not out of the ordinary for the cleaning staff to enter to do their work, such as emptying a garbage can,

The Church sets its laws for a reason.

From the Code of Canon Law;
Can. 964 §1 The proper place for hearing sacramental confessions is a church or oratory.

§2 As far as the confessional is concerned, norms are to be issued by the Episcopal Conference, with the proviso however that confessionals, which the faithful who so wish may freely use, are located in an open place, and fitted with a fixed grille between the penitent and the confessor. §3 Except for a just reason, confessions are not to be heard elsewhere than in a confessional.

Maybe the Church actually knows what it is doing when it set this Canon.
 
Except for a just reason, confessions are not to be heard elsewhere than in a confessional.
Well, I hope the fact that I don’t want to confess in a wooden box in a church prevented from talking to the priest properly by a grill is just reason enough. 🙂
 
Well, I hope the fact that I don’t want to confess in a wooden box in a church prevented from talking to the priest properly by a grill is just reason enough. 🙂
Well, I am skeptical if it is. Are you sure you are not intermixing spiritual direction with confession?
 
Well, I am skeptical if it is. Are you sure you are not intermixing spiritual direction with confession?
It is up to the priest to direct laity on where it is appropriate to say a confession.
 
It is up to the priest to direct laity on where it is appropriate to say a confession.
As long as they are following the relevant Canons.

Priests can not just make it up as they go along.
Well, I hope the fact that I don’t want to confess in a wooden box in a church prevented from talking to the priest properly by a grill is just reason enough. 🙂
I believe that most confessionals are set up to allow both face to face or not.

Personal preference is not a just reason.
 
I agree with what others have said, it doesn’t sound like he broke the Seal of Confession if he didn’t actually share your sins out loud. For all the cleaner knows, you were just having a discussion about hell.

However, I do think the priest should have stopped the cleaner at the door and said there was a confession in progress and to please come back later. That was thoughtless on his part… But as long as the cleaner didn’t overhear your confession, there was no harm done.
 
Well, I hope the fact that I don’t want to confess in a wooden box in a church prevented from talking to the priest properly by a grill is just reason enough. 🙂
I don’t want to get off topic, but I’ve never understood why so many people are uncomfortable with private confessionals. I understand that some find them ominous, but I prefer them, haha! I’ve been to Confession at a 100-year-old church in my nieghborhood that still has the original confessionals, which are totally private – I never had any trouble talking openly to the priest through the grill, while keeping my privacy. God forgives you either way… Heck, my priest back home even said you don’t even have to be able to speak the same language for the sacrament to be valid.

As a teenager, I was never comfortable talking face to face in a Reconciliation Room… I just couldn’t open up and be as honest that way, which after all defeats the whole point of Confession. 🤷
 
g_ncl, three questions: Are you saying that one who uses the confessional is not talking to the priest properly? In what way does the grill prevent one from speaking to the priest properly? Does that mean that you think that those of us who prefer to use the confessional do not confess properly?

I learned to receive the Sacrament of Penance/Reconciliation in the confessional booth/box, but I was forced to use face-to-face/confrontational confession after the Churches were stripped of most things that were clearly Catholic to casual observers, an experience which still leaves me feeling as though I should go to confession! Although my brain knows that my sins have been absolved, the rest of me is still “waiting to go to confession.”

On the plus side for the confrontational version, the priest/confessor may find it less sleep-inducing with eye contact possible, as compared to the endless voices droning on in the darkened confessional booths. Also, a lip reader, someone who hates kneeling, or someone who requires more time than is available within the normal time constraints of the confessional booth might prefer face-to-face confession.

Something intangible, though, is lost when the priest no longer speaks from behind the grill. The sinner using a confessional booth is in a darkened cubicle with little to distract him, and, in some of the booths, can only see what’s in his mind’s eye, if the confessional is totally dark. (Just you and God!) Even those booths with enough visibility to discern facial outlines are still dark enough to help to psychologically impress upon the sinner that he is in the process of petitioning God to accept his repentance so that he might be absolved of his sins through the Sacrament of Penance. The discomfort of the kneeler reminds us that we are penitants begging forgiveness. We’re confessing our sins TO GOD, not the priest, since he’s only a physical stand-in, and that fact is reinforced by the separation imposed by the confessional partitions. By abandoning the confessional booth, has the Sacrament of Reconciliation devolved from asking God to grant us absolution through His priest to an appointment in which we hope the priest will grant us absolution as a favor, as a friend might do?

When we say our confessions inside a cavernous room that echoes, a cry room with glass windows (so everyone passing by can see the intensity of the issues being discussed), an office, or even in a janitor’s room with its distracting cleaning compound odors, we can easily lose the idea that we’re talking to God, even though we know that our sins are absolved BY Him, THROUGH the priest, because we’re talking to the priest and he’s talking back to us in a discussion format. We detect his body and facial language, the look in his eyes as he speaks–his total manner; and sometimes we worry about possible signs of his thinking less of us, since we’re seeing each of his reactions, when we should be concentrating upon making perfect acts of contrition.

I’ve been in many, many spontaneous discussions with both men and women about the different venues for receiving the sacrament of penance. Our general concensus has been that in addition to the loss of mystique, we’ve lost a sense of the sanctity of the sacrament; the quality of reverence seems to be diminished, thereby placing less emphasis upon the fact that a sacrament is being bestowed upon the sinner. But how could it be otherwise, when “pomp and circumstance” is intended to exalt, and our exterior manifestations of “things which look Catholic” deliberately removed the “pomp and circumstance?”

I’ve heard priests indicate that they’d spent too much time hearing confessions because they’d gotten “off on a tangent.” I’ve heard parishioners say, “I didn’t intend to spend so long at confession–I got off on other topics.” Or, as they’re leaving, “Thank you, Father. I really enjoy talking to you. Sorry I got off on other things.” Hmmmm. So, the sacrament has been sidetracked? Enjoying talking to the priest is a prerequisite for the Sacrament of Penance? Did what was supposed to have been a sacrament devolve into what might have been discussed in an appointment? How could anything as important as a sacrament be shunted into a situation that might even possibly be construed as less important than it truly is?

In my experience, the janitor’s room and the office settings have been the worst. The cleaning smells are very distracting and aggravate allergies. The office situations require that we contend with interruptions of the phone, as well as what the OP experienced with someone walking into the confessional area. Confession has become so ordinary that it’s not treated with the reverence that is its due, either by priests or by congregants. Whereas we should look forward to reconcilation through the Sacrament of Confession, both priests and parishioners seem to view it as just another ordinary chore to get out of the way.

Face-to-face situations don’t seem very holy, although a sacrament is being received. Another negative is that our comfort level in talking with the priest later–normal priest/parishioner interaction–seems to subtly change. Some of us have even had a priest say something to us days later, in a hallway or the parking lot, that directly related to what he’d been told during our confession-turned-chat. The kind of laxity, or lack of formality, that fosters that kind of commenting just isn’t on the radar when the sacrament of confession is received “in the box.”

OP, talk to your priest about your concern, but be careful with your wording. Unless there was a sign on the door saying that confessioin was being heard, the janitor would have had no way of knowing what he’d seen/heard. You might suggest that a sign be utilized in the future, but you definitely won’t have that problem if you seek the sacrament in the confessional box.
 
Well you would have all kinds of complaints about the priests where I go to confession.

We have 1 priest for 2 churches. Sometimes he gets help from another old priest this guy can’t hear. Your confession takes an hour, mostly because you have to reapeat it about six times after a while you just give up and confess out loud for everyone to hear. It is a small community I might add. Everyone knows everyones sins anyway because they done them as well. Hopefully, you didn’t murder anyone.

I would say get over it the cleaning guy didn’t know you. And what you doing having a QUICK confession anyway, you suposed to prepare for it.
I think we have the same priest and live in the same town lol 🙂
 
Are you sure you are not intermixing spiritual direction with confession?
Most of the time I do - and do so intentionally. Not “mixing” as in “intermingling” (most of the time), but using the same occasion. However, even when I only go for confession, I prefer to confess face to face.
I believe that most confessionals are set up to allow both face to face or not.
Not the case in Europe - in fact the opposite is true on the Continent.
I’ve never understood why so many people are uncomfortable with private confessionals. I understand that some find them ominous, but I prefer them, haha! I’ve been to Confession at a 100-year-old church in my nieghborhood that still has the original confessionals, which are totally private – I never had any trouble talking openly to the priest through the grill, while keeping my privacy.
I presume by “privacy” you mean "anomymity? I do not want to be anonymous when I make my confession. I know who the priest is (that’s the reason I drive 20 miles to go there) and he knows who I am (again, that’s part of the point: because he has been hearing my confession for a while he knows the context, sees everything in its place in my life and can give better advice than a random priest in a random box). I want things out in the open: us sitting face to face and me confessing and taking responsibility for my sins as they are before the Lord. There is no hush-hush before Him and the priest accompanies me in this in His name - I don’t want anything obscure before him either.
Does that mean that you think that those of us who prefer to use the confessional do not confess properly?
Certainly not. Confession has obligatory elements (the confession of sins, repentance, the act of contrition and the absolution) - as long as they are present, the confession is valid and “proper”.
face-to-face/confrontational confession
Why would you call face to face confession “confrontational”? You have done this several times. Do you feel like the priest is on a different side from you?

I have started a long reply to you, Qwestions, but your post contains too many ideas that are very strange to me. I am sorry to hear you feel like this about face to face confession. For me it is a wonderful encounter with the ever-loving Lord and I do not need a partition or to be kneeling to be reminded of this.
 
Hi, g_ncl. You ask why I say “confrontational confession?” Darned if I know! I thought everybody does. Our Monsignor used the term, so that’s way I continue to use it… (He brainwashed us?)

I can only guess why he selected the term, if it is not commonly used. Maybe he thought “confrontational confession” sounds more sophisticated or literate? Or that “face-to-face” is too utilitarian? I simply have no idea.

Just for you, I went dictionary sleuthing. By trying several words connected to “front,” I came up with “front confession,” “frontal confession,” and “frontish confession,” none of which will work, and Scrabble claims that “frontation” is not a word, so that’s not an option either.

Although “confrontational” MAY connote some shade of aggression, hostility, animosity, etc., it can mean, simply, “a meeting,” which is what I’ve always understood it to be.

Honestly, I have no idea why our monsignor seemed to prefer that term. Some of the parishioners referred to “session confesion” “in-your-face confession,” but those were only joking terms.

Not to be, uh, confrontational or anything, but that’s all I know about the derivation of the term!

Cheers!
 
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