Did Vatican II "de-canonize" St. Christopher, Philomena, and Patrick?!

[JSmitty2005]

Who all did the Council do away with? I’ve heard that some of the greatest saints like Christopher, Philomena, and Patrick were “de-canonized” with V2. Is this true?! Also, I’ve heard that more evidence has been found in support of Philomena’s existence. Any thoughts?

 

[John_Higgins]

First, I don’t think the Council “decanonized” anyone. No one has messed with St. Patrick at all, at all (Woe be unto them…)

As far as St. Christopher, his feast day was removed from the Church calendar. I remember at the time that his existance was called into question. Don’t know anything about St. Philomena.

John

 

[Wisdom]

Saint Patrick is still on the calender or haven’t you noticed he is certainly an historical figure some others like St Christopher have been demphasized on the calender in order to give more historically verificalble saint prominence. This does not de-canonize any saint just giving an emphasis on more historically verifiable figures in church history. Some of the older saints probably did exist and as such are saints its just that some of their deeds might be more legend than actual facts so with only so many days in the year and so many saints they gave the nod to more verifialbe saints with verfiable deeds.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

JSmitty2005:

Who all did the Council do away with? I’ve heard that some of the greatest saints like Christopher, Philomena, and Patrick were “de-canonized” with V2. Is this true?! Also, I’ve heard that more evidence has been found in support of Philomena’s existence. Any thoughts?

Several saints wwre removed from the Universal Calendar of the Church,which was published about four years after the Council. in 1969. Christopher is one of them. What is overlooked, is several were added - such as Columban. In neither case is the status of the individual as a saint affected - the change is that some liturgical cultus which were formerly universal are now confined to particular parts of the Church such as dioceses, countries, or religious orders​

The purpose of the change was this: to reform the calendar so that the principal feasts of the Christian liturgical year could be seen more clearly, and feasts and seasons, such as Advent or Lent, not be obscured by coinciding with, or being full of, feasts of saints. That is why there are fewer saints’ days, and why so many are optional memoriae. Trent cleared the calendar in a similar way.

The cultus of some saints has been suppressed - Simon of Trent was canonised in 1588, and his cultus suppressed in 1965, since the evidence of his supposed martyrdom at the hands of Jews in 1475 had been obtained by torture; and since the accusation of his murder by them was an example of the “blood libel”, which had already been rejected by at least one Pope, and amounts to saying that Jews killed Christian children so as to use their blood in in their Passover bread; which is entirely opposed to Jewish practice, as they reject food which has blood in it. Who killed him is unknown.

The cultus of St.Patrick is as it was, unsuppressed; he is in the Universal Calendar, just as before

As for Philomena, her cultus was forbidden in 1961 by one of the Roman Congregations, but has continued regardless - why or how, I don’t know. The shrine at Mugnano was meant to be dismantled, but is still going. The account of her said to have been related by her in a vision is wholly untrustworthy:

• It claims she was a Greek princess, but if she was, she should have known that “Philomena” is not to be taken as meaning “filia luminis”, “daughter of light” (as the vision claimed), but as “philoumene”, “beloved”.
• At the time of her alleged martyrdom under Diocletian - whose persecution, which lasted from 303 to 304, was almost entirely confined to the East (he did not rule from Rome, but in Nicomedia, in the north-east of what is now Turkey) - Greece had long been under Roman rule, without kings of any sort. There were no Greek kings anywhere by that time.

Hope this helps ##

 

[asteroid]

Vatican II did not de-canonize Philomena.

However, on 14th February 1961, the Sacred Congregation of Rites issued an instruction to the effect that her feast day be removed from the calendar. There just wasn’t any good historical evidence for her. Private devotion I think was still allowed.

Many people still honour Philomena greatly. She is still considered (by many) a saint.

Here’s a lover of Philomena who has posted this in many a forum:

godspy.com/forums/messageview.cfm?catid=12&threadid=406

And a very different account:

saintpatrickdc.org/ss/0810.htm#phil

 

[Psalm45_9]

St. Christopher was removed not just because of historiacal questioning. St. Christopher shares his feast day with St. James the Apostle (July 25th). The feast of the Apostle has prescedence over that of the martyr, and that is what Vatican II emphasized. His feast may be observed if your region has always had a great devotion to him or if your church is under his patronage. Why they didn’t give him another feast day like they did for many of the other Saints is beyond me. St. Philomena may return to the calendar yet, St. Catherine of Alexandria has returned to the calendar and on her traditional day (November 25th) as of 2004.

 

[Servus_Matris]

I don’t know much about St. Christopher right now, but I do know that St. Patrick is still on the calendar. St. Philomena is not on the calendar anymore, but her cultus has not been suppressed. Devotion to her is still highly encouraged as she is a powerful intercessor. Her feast day was originally moved to August 11 even though, according to private revelation, her death date is August 10 since St. Lawrence already had that day. Later on, August 11 became the obligatory memorial of St. Clare.

 

[thistle]

I don’t know much about St. Christopher right now, but I do know that St. Patrick is still on the calendar. St. Philomena is not on the calendar anymore, but her cultus has not been suppressed. Devotion to her is still highly encouraged as she is a powerful intercessor. Her feast day was originally moved to August 11 even though, according to private revelation, her death date is August 10 since St. Lawrence already had that day. Later on, August 11 became the obligatory memorial of St. Clare.

I’m curious as to why you have resurrected an old thread that has been dormant for more than 5 years.

 

[Jaypeeto4]

**As for Philomena, her cultus was forbidden in 1961 by one of the Roman Congregations, but has continued regardless - why or how, I don’t know. The shrine at Mugnano was meant to be dismantled, but is still going. The account of her said to have been related by her in a vision is wholly untrustworthy:
It claims she was a Greek princess, but if she was, she should have known that “Philomena” is not to be taken as meaning “filia luminis”, “daughter of light” (as the vision claimed), but as “philoumene”, “beloved”.
At the time of her alleged martyrdom under Diocletian - whose persecution, which lasted from 303 to 304, was almost entirely confined to the East (he did not rule from Rome, but in Nicomedia, in the north-east of what is now Turkey) - Greece had long been under Roman rule, without kings of any sort. There were no Greek kings anywhere by that time.
Hope this helps ## **

The above, unfortunately, is UTTERLY FALSE. Philomena’s FEASTS were removed from all Liturgical calendars by Vatican Decree, and that is ALL. The Shrine at Mugnano was NOT supposed to be Dismantled, nor was it. Priestly caretakers were always assigned to the Mugnano Shrine, under FULL church approbation and authority. Her cultus is not based on the private visions of her life, but on the undeniable THOUSANDS of miracles directly attributable to her intercession. The body in her tomb has been PROVEN now to be that of “Philomena,” and Marucci’s theories to the contrary have been COMPLETELY and UTTERLY discredited. Mark Miravalle, among others, has written extensively on the Philomena controversies, proving beyond all possibility of legitimate doubt, that she most defintely was and is REAL, that her dried blood DOES turn into jewels to this day, and much much much more. Moreover, she was given an infallible EQUIVALENT CANONIZATION by Pope Gregory in 1837 and therefore she can NEVER be legitimately
De-Canonized, not ever, not under any circumstances whatsoever, not by ANYONE.
Go to amazon.com and get Mark Miravalle’s short book called
IT IS TIME TO MEET SAINT PHILOMENA. All doubts about her existence and tremendous heavenly power will be forever and irrefutably dispelled.
Long live Saint Philomena, Virgin and Martyr of the Early Church.
God love you all.
Jaypeeto4

 

[Michael_Francis]

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