Did you ever get the impression that American politics is going in circles and that the only thing the two-party system agrees on is to hate each othe

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They agree on much more. The differences between the two major political parties are largely cosmetic. They both want to spend money. They both do not want to tax you for it. They both are willing to borrow as much as it takes to keep on spending. They both spend money to keep your vote. They both promise anything to get your vote. They are both cynical.

And we are not thriving as a nation!
 
The extremes on the right and left are nauseating to me. I believe that those with extremist views are most likely to post on the political threads and those more objective and neutral like myself of course *😃 just read most of it and shake our heads.

Good point and I love your positive attitude. We still thrive. Those that whine and moan about the country and how they will leave this country if this or that candidate is elected never do so. Gee I wonder why? Perhaps living here no matter who the President is a blessing.

Mary.
 
Beryllos said:
They agree on much more. The differences between the two major political parties are largely cosmetic. They both want to spend money. They both do not want to tax you for it. They both are willing to borrow as much as it takes to keep on spending. They both spend money to keep your vote. They both promise anything to get your vote. They are both cynical.

And we are not thriving as a nation!
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We’re not? Says who?
 
Neither party let’s fear or common sense stand in the way of an agenda!
 
Beryllos said:
They agree on much more. The differences between the two major political parties are largely cosmetic. They both want to spend money. They both do not want to tax you for it. They both are willing to borrow as much as it takes to keep on spending. They both spend money to keep your vote. They both promise anything to get your vote. They are both cynical.

And we are not thriving as a nation!
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One party wants to drive the country off a cliff at 70 miles per hour. The other party wants to drive the country off a different cliff at 55 miles per hour. I question the intelligence and virtue of anyone who votes for either of the major parties.
 
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One party wants to drive the country off a cliff at 70 miles per hour. The other party wants to drive the country off a different cliff at 55 miles per hour. I question the intelligence and virtue of anyone who votes for either of the major parties.
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Sadly many of the 3rd parties aren’t much better. Last presidential election was the best chance in years for a 3rd party. But we had one candidate who didn’t register in every state (inability to administer imo) and another who seemed ignorant of the world.
 
MaryT777 said:
The extremes on the right and left are nauseating to me. I believe that those with extremist views are most likely to post on the political threads and those more objective and neutral like myself of course *😃 just read most of it and shake our heads.

Good point and I love your positive attitude. We still thrive. Those that whine and moan about the country and how they will leave this country if this or that candidate is elected never do so. Gee I wonder why? Perhaps living here no matter who the President is a blessing.

Mary.
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I would certainly take those blowhards more seriously if at least a few of the more famous ones put their passport where their mouth was.

ICXC NIKA
 
It certainly seems to bring the worst out in people of all walks of life. Even us in CAF.
 
There are no good choices in American politics. After I re-read CCC 1750-1756, I decided I could not in good conscience vote at all.
 
In the US, politics is a spectator sport. I think most people are really more moderate than they let on. But we just love cheering the home team.
 
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It hasn’t collapsed yet, I’ll grant you that, but it appears to be built on sand.
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Nah, we need more optimism in this country. Presidents have come and gone and naysayers for either party alarmed at times but I’d say the country has survived this far and I’m sure it will survive a Trump Presidency.

After all, we survived an Obama presidency.

Where sin abounds grace abounds all the more.

Mary.
 
I keep trying to bring out the best in all… 😃 with my comments, that is!
 
Brassring said:
There are no good choices in American politics. After I re-read CCC 1750-1756, I decided I could not in good conscience vote at all.
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Choosing not to vote is still casting a vote. You are voting to let others make decisions for you. For a more responsible Christian view on voting, read this from the Bishop of Portsmouth, England. The first part is about vocations. He then deals with voting.

portsmouthdiocese.org.uk/bishop/bop-pl-20170514-god-is-calling-you.php

portsmouthdiocese.org.uk/enews/election.php
Britain is preparing for a General Election and as Catholics we have a crucial contribution to make to this democratic process. Here are ten key questions to think about. You could use them to evaluate a manifesto, or you could put them to a prospective parliamentary candidate.
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  1. First, and foremost, how far will this or that candidate protect the sacred dignity of each human life from conception to natural death, opposing moves to liberalise the abortion laws, to extend embryo experimentation and to legalise assisted suicide and euthanasia?
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  1. How will they strengthen Britain’s Christian patrimony, its history, classics and values, whilst curbing fundamentalism in its various forms, scientific and religious, and promoting a fruitful dialogue between faith and reason?
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  1. How will they support families, traditional family life and family values?
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  1. How will they correlate freedom and responsibility?
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  1. How will they build up community, foster philanthropy and support charity?
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  1. How will they help the homeless?
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  1. How will they improve the care of the mentally ill?
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  1. How will they give greater support to the lowest earners, to the sick, to the disabled, to the dying?
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  1. How will they care better for the environment, promoting an ‘integral ecology’ with a simpler life-style?
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  1. How will they foster peace, justice and development abroad, whilst encouraging our Government to stand up for Christians who are being persecuted in such places as Syria and Egypt?
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PaulfromIowa said:
Choosing not to vote is still casting a vote. You are voting to let others make decisions for you. For a more responsible Christian view on voting, read this from the Bishop of Portsmouth, England. The first part is about vocations. He then deals with voting.

portsmouthdiocese.org.uk/bishop/bop-pl-20170514-god-is-calling-you.php

portsmouthdiocese.org.uk/enews/election.php
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I know that not casting a vote is a vote. It was the only moral vote I could make. Donald Trump is bad. Hillary Clinton is worse. I refuse to vote for “bad” to avoid “worse”. That is NOT a responsible choice. I had read all the Catholic voting guides. The simple answer is that there was not a single choice that fit my definition of a moral choice as a Catholic voter. Catholicism is NOT the religious expression of a political position.

The “if you don’t vote for my candidate, you’re voting for the other candidate” line of reasoning is false. It is unmitigated, unparalleled, and unqualified foolishness. It is a childish knee-jerk answer driven by self-centeredness and pride. I will not entertain it.
 
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