Did you marry someone of the same religion?

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I found it very strange . A person who rejects God , who does not believe in the hereafter , you are ready to spend your life with him rather than with a believer who submitted himself to God , believes in all the messengers of God , in hell , in heaven …how is that possible ?

In future , if you are blessed with kids , by the influence of dad , they can also become athisests. According to Chistians faith , who is a more sinner… a Muslim or who rejects God totally ?
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Muslim woman, I mean you no disrespect when I say that I would rather marry an Atheist as opposed to a Muslim man (but I guess you might get offended to a certain extent, sorry!). I stated this for various reasons, one of them being, if I were to marry an Atheist it would be easier for me to live out my faith, another reason would be, my aversion to Islam’s treatment and understanding/view of women. I think an Atheist is much more enlightened on this matter. As for children, I figure it would be much easier to raise them in my faith, as a nonbeliever I would think he would be more lenient about how our children would be raised (meaning maybe he wouldn’t mind so much if I raised them Roman Catholic). Also, I think that through my example, faith and prayers, my husband if he were an Atheist could become a believer. But just to clarify, I would have to be extremely in love with him (my future husband) to marry an Atheist to begin with. He would have to be someone very special. Otherwise, I will stick to someone of my own faith.
 
josie_L said:
Muslim woman, I mean you no disrespect when I say that I would rather marry an Atheist as opposed to a Muslim man (but I guess you might get offended to a certain extent, sorry!). I stated this for various reasons, one of them being, if I were to marry an Atheist it would be easier for me to live out my faith, another reason would be, my aversion to Islam’s treatment and understanding/view of women. I think an Atheist is much more enlightened on this matter. As for children, I figure it would be much easier to raise them in my faith, as a nonbeliever I would think he would be more lenient about how our children would be raised (meaning maybe he wouldn’t mind so much if I raised them Roman Catholic). Also, I think that through my example, faith and prayers, my husband if he were an Atheist could become a believer. But just to clarify, I would have to be extremely in love with him (my future husband) to marry an Atheist to begin with. He would have to be someone very special. Otherwise, I will stick to someone of my own faith.
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Exactly.

I don’t think Muslim Woman gets it. She may think she’s submitting to God, and that’s fine and all, however, she is being SUBJUGATED and OPPRESSED by the men in Islam, is considered property in their eyes, and are not at all equal.
 
GodIsGracious said:
Exactly.

I don’t think Muslim Woman gets it. She may think she’s submitting to God, and that’s fine and all, however, she is being SUBJUGATED and OPPRESSED by the men in Islam, is considered property in their eyes, and are not at all equal.
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What also worries me a bit, is that all these women who are Catholic/Christian that are marrying Muslim men, may find themselves confronted one day by a man they may not recognize. By this I mean, what if they adopt a militant Islamic faith, I have heard of such stories. I believe we even have a poster that went through something like this (Charlotte was her username). Wahhabism is on the rise, and being spread throughout the world with Saudi money, Islamic men who were once moderate became fanatical. Anyways it’s something I would not for the life of me contemplate (that is marrying a Muslim man).
 
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josie_L said:
… I think an Atheist is much more enlightened on this matter…
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we should give importance on hereafter . So , who should be a much better choice as a life partner ? He who rejects the existance of God & hereafter or one believes in hereafter ?

Do u think on the final day , God will treat both Atheists & Muslims equally or God will find Muslims as more sinners than the atheists ?
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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we should give importance on hereafter . So , who should be a much better choice as a life partner ? He who rejects the existance of God & hereafter or one believes in hereafter ?

Do u think on the final day , God will treat both Atheists & Muslims equally or God will find Muslims as more sinners than the atheists ?
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I have no clue as to how God will treat an Atheist and/or Muslim, the one thing I am sure of though, is that Jesus is God (the second person of the Holy Trinity), and both the Atheist and the Muslim deny this. However, I will stick to what I previously said, I will not marry a Muslim, because quite frankly, I would be apprehensive about the idea. My opinions are mine alone. I state what I do because I do not believe Islam to be true.
 
Muslim_Woman said:
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we should give importance on hereafter . So , who should be a much better choice as a life partner ? He who rejects the existance of God & hereafter or one believes in hereafter ?

Do u think on the final day , God will treat both Atheists & Muslims equally or God will find Muslims as more sinners than the atheists ?
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Muslim Woman, you keep deflecting. Pretty much in any thread I see you post in, you continue to deflect what the topic is about.

While I agree that we should give importance to our spiritual life, the fact of that matter is, in general a Muslim man is going to treat his wife as property and as less than him. To dehumanize a human being (a woman, his wife) is not very spiritual at all.

As a woman, as a human being, and most importantly, as a child of God, to be willing to allow myself to be subjugated, beaten, and abused (mentally, emotionally, and spiritually) by another human being, to allow them to treat me as property with no respect for human dignity, is to deny myself the gifts that God has given me. God wants us to choose Him over any other human being, even our own spouses.

God asks men to love their bride as Jesus loves HIS bride, the Church. Jesus would never subjugate His Church. Muslim men have yet to show that they deserve the women they have for wives.

In a practical sense: when you have been in, lived in, and grow up in, abuse, you don’t see it as abuse but as a normal way of life. Pretty much like, “you don’t know otherwise.” People use “god” and “religion” all the time to oppress and subjugate other people. It does not mean it is right, nor does it mean it is sanctioned by God.

Justify your life all you want, Muslim Woman, but your false religion, pedophilic and violent “prophet,” and your religious leaders teach, and encourage, that women are property and should be disrespected. At least an atheist man will more likely view his wife as an equal. And in such a case is most likely to give credence and importance to her views - even her religion should she choose to have one. He may even convert when he sees the love of God in her. He then has a chance at the Kingdom of Heaven.
 
GodIsGracious said:
Muslim Woman, you keep deflecting. Pretty much in any thread I see you post in, you continue to deflect what the topic is about.

While I agree that we should give importance to our spiritual life, the fact of that matter is, in general a Muslim man is going to treat his wife as property and as less than him. To dehumanize a human being (a woman, his wife) is not very spiritual at all.

As a woman, as a human being, and most importantly, as a child of God, to be willing to allow myself to be subjugated, beaten, and abused (mentally, emotionally, and spiritually) by another human being, to allow them to treat me as property with no respect for human dignity, is to deny myself the gifts that God has given me. God wants us to choose Him over any other human being, even our own spouses.

God asks men to love their bride as Jesus loves HIS bride, the Church. Jesus would never subjugate His Church. Muslim men have yet to show that they deserve the women they have for wives.

In a practical sense: when you have been in, lived in, and grow up in, abuse, you don’t see it as abuse but as a normal way of life. Pretty much like, “you don’t know otherwise.” People use “god” and “religion” all the time to oppress and subjugate other people. It does not mean it is right, nor does it mean it is sanctioned by God.

Justify your life all you want, Muslim Woman, but your false religion, pedophilic and violent “prophet,” and your religious leaders teach, and encourage, that women are property and should be disrespected. At least an atheist man will more likely view his wife as an equal. And in such a case is most likely to give credence and importance to her views - even her religion should she choose to have one. He may even convert when he sees the love of God in her. He then has a chance at the Kingdom of Heaven.
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I was trying to avoid the whole pedophile/prophet thing, but, yah, that’s another reason why I would not marry a Muslim man. Don’t want my kids subjected to that in any way (that is believing it is alright for a 9 year old to be married and have sex).
 
I was baptized Catholic as an infant, but my family fell away from the Church before I was confirmed, so I spent most of my adulthood not practicing any religion. My husband was a baptized & confirmed Catholic, but he, too, had drifted away from the Church. I had, for a long time, felt something was missing in my life, but didn’t realize that it was faith and God I was looking for until about 6-7 years ago. I researched and “tried out” several different Protestant churches, but something was lacking and I felt myself constantly drawn to the local Catholic parish church. Finally, 4 years ago, I attended RCIA and was confirmed that Easter. My husband was a little nervous about my decision, but I never pushed him; I just told him he was welcome to join me in going to Mass, but he didn’t have to. Well, I never felt more sure about any decision than I did about coming home to the Church, and my husband now comes to Mass with me every Sunday, and in fact says he misses it on those weekends he’s on the road and can’t attend. I think he saw the peace and joy it brought me.
My daughter is Catholic; she married a Lutheran. They now have a baby girl who will be raised in the Catholic church. My son-in-law was so impressed with the people at their local parish where my granddaughter was baptized that he is now seriously considering converting.👍 😃
 
Joyful_Catholic said:
I was baptized Catholic as an infant, but my family fell away from the Church before I was confirmed, so I spent most of my adulthood not practicing any religion. My husband was a baptized & confirmed Catholic, but he, too, had drifted away from the Church. I had, for a long time, felt something was missing in my life, but didn’t realize that it was faith and God I was looking for until about 6-7 years ago. I researched and “tried out” several different Protestant churches, but something was lacking and I felt myself constantly drawn to the local Catholic parish church. Finally, 4 years ago, I attended RCIA and was confirmed that Easter. My husband was a little nervous about my decision, but I never pushed him; I just told him he was welcome to join me in going to Mass, but he didn’t have to. Well, I never felt more sure about any decision than I did about coming home to the Church, and my husband now comes to Mass with me every Sunday, and in fact says he misses it on those weekends he’s on the road and can’t attend. I think he saw the peace and joy it brought me.
My daughter is Catholic; she married a Lutheran. They now have a baby girl who will be raised in the Catholic church. My son-in-law was so impressed with the people at their local parish where my granddaughter was baptized that he is now seriously considering converting.👍 😃
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That is such a nice story, thanks for sharing. I hope if I ever fall in love with and marry someone outside my faith that they too will convert/revert. God bless.
 
In fairness to muslim woman, the OP asked a generic question about religion and marriage. She reacted to what, to her, must have seemed an insulting statement (which has since been clarified). I don’t think it is fair to call that a deflection. If anything, the tangent started when the atheist vs muslim man topic was tossed out.

But since the tangent exists and the question was asked, I don’t think it is a particularly hard thing to understand. Muslims are human beings so that faith contains those of both high virtue and pond scum, just like ours does. It may not seem fair to paint a whole people with such a broad brush, but westerners have heard and seen an awful lot of anecdotal stories that tend to substantiate the idea that muslim women are considered second class to men in Islam.

Do the muslim posters wish to object to this characterisation? If it doesn’t come from Islam itself then why DO most predominantly muslim countries treat women so poorly?
 
josie_L said:
Muslim woman, I mean you no disrespect when I say that I would rather marry an Atheist as opposed to a Muslim man (but I guess you might get offended to a certain extent, sorry!). I stated this for various reasons, one of them being, if I were to marry an Atheist it would be easier for me to live out my faith, another reason would be, my aversion to Islam’s treatment and understanding/view of women. I think an Atheist is much more enlightened on this matter. As for children, I figure it would be much easier to raise them in my faith, as a nonbeliever I would think he would be more lenient about how our children would be raised (meaning maybe he wouldn’t mind so much if I raised them Roman Catholic). Also, I think that through my example, faith and prayers, my husband if he were an Atheist could become a believer. But just to clarify, I would have to be extremely in love with him (my future husband) to marry an Atheist to begin with. He would have to be someone very special. Otherwise, I will stick to someone of my own faith.
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in what way is Catholicism better for women then Islam? 🤷
 
Does Islam itself permit these abuses or is it the culture of countries that happen to be Islamic? Which came first, chicken or the egg? Fairness matters.

Islam, IIRC, DOES permit a man to take up to three wives. As far as I know, it nowhere ‘permits’ a woman to take three husbands. What does THAT say?

Personally, I think polygamy is so obviously harmful to basic human dignity and the sanctity of marriage that Islam fails the sanity test on that basis alone - if I understand the teaching correctly.
 
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in what way is Catholicism better for women then Islam?
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Well for starters our husbands are not allowed to beat us.
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Nor are our fathers likely to sell us to be married to someone old enough to be our grandfather.
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In addition, our husbands are expected to be faithful to us, “in good times and in bad, in sickness and in health…”, so if I come down with an illness or disease, I can expect my husband to remain faithful and not take a second or third wife just because he may not be able to have sex whenever he wants. Catholic husbands are expected to have self-control and self-discipline in honoring their marriage vows. 👍

And to the OP: Yes, I married someone of the same religion and I thank God for him and our life together. 🙂
 
bosnian_muslim said:
in what way is Catholicism better for women then Islam? 🤷
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Well, I think the others must have been channeling my thoughts because they pretty much answered for me. I don’t think there is anything more I need to add. May God bless you with all that is good, beautiful and true.
 
kalt said:
Did you marry someone of the same religion?
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Yes, in a round about way. We were both Catholic. But neither of us were practicing our religion. He had been away from the faith since he was about 3, I had been confirmed.
If you married someone outside your religion, how did you decide which religion to raise your kids in (if you have kids)? Did one or the other of you convert to the other’s religion? If there were any issues because of the difference in religions, were there certain areas of life that they tended to creep up in?
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Once our son was born, I knew that I needed to return to the faith. As our son grew, so did my faith. My husband is now an atheist. Although he is the most Catholic non-Catholic I know. We have a Crucifix in the living room, a prayer corner there too. There is a picture of the Last Supper in our dining room. I can’t count how many other Catholic items are in our house.

Our son was just confirmed this past month. My husband attended the Mass and received a blessing from the Archbishop. 👍
If you married someone of the same religion, and either your spouse or you later changed religions, did that cause tension?
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GodIsGracious said:
Nor are our fathers likely to sell us to be married to someone old enough to be our grandfather. :eek:
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lol ; can u tell me which holy book allows father to sell daughther in to sex slavery ? Is that Quran or Bible ? If u don’t know that ans , do a google search.

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WOMEN IN ISLAM VERSUS WOMEN IN THE
JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN TRADITION:

THE MYTH &
THE REALITY
BY Dr. Sherif Abdel Azeem

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Muslim_Woman said:
In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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lol ; can u tell me which holy book allows father to sell daughther in to sex slavery ? Is that Quran or Bible ? If u don’t know that ans , do a google search.

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WOMEN IN ISLAM VERSUS WOMEN IN THE
JUDAEO-CHRISTIAN TRADITION:

THE MYTH &
THE REALITY
BY Dr. Sherif Abdel Azeem

sultan.org/articles/women.html
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Who said anything about sex slavery, we are refering to marriage. And I think the point that I and the others are trying to make is that there is a lot of discrimination against women in Islam, if you do not wish to see this, that is your perogative, however, we see things differently, especially since we have the benefit of much freedom. Can you state the same Muslim women, where do you reside? Do you feel you are given equality with men? How do men treat women in your country? Is there still a need for 4 witnesses when a woman gets raped? How does a woman by the way get 4 witnesses, if she is being raped? :confused:
 
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josie_L said:
Who said anything about sex slavery, we are refering to marriage.
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funny…Bible allows fathers to sell daughters in to sex slavery …that’s fine with u . But u have problem about a marriage that is lawful regarding even your own holy book.
How do men treat women in your country?
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Women are tortured all over the world --my country ( Bangladesh) is not any exception. But may be , u will be happy to know that we have Women Prime Minister since more than a decade.

Few points to ponder : 1. A Christian woman is beaten every 9 seconds in America, the most Christian society on the earth today.
  1. Some 2 million Christian women are beaten and abused in America each year…the number could be as high as 4 million each year
  2. 10% of the Christian victims were pregnant at the time of abuse.
  3. One in 3 Christian women is raped in her lifetime. (Los Angeles Commission on Assaults Against Women, 1985)
In Christian countries flogging of disobedient women was so common that the size of the whip was regulated by law – no thicker than a man’s thumb.

Pity the woman whose husband had a large hand!

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