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Asperges_Me
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I’ve read on some blogs about some priests starting to wear black again on All Soul’s Day. Did your priest wear black or not? If not, feel free to comment on what color he did wear.
I knew that.Chalice veil (obvious, isn’t it?)
So did mine.He wore white vestment.
In my area, people have told me that they have not seen black vestments since the 1960’s.He wore white. I don’t think I’ve ever seen my priest were black, inside or outside of the Mass.
All Souls’ Day is actually Nov. 2.The use of black for funerals is discouraged, and under the old (pre-VII) Roman pattern, black was for funeral and memorial masses.
The GIRM specifies white as specific for Nov. 1, All Souls Day.
From the GIRM:
346.
Traditional usage should be retained for the colours of sacred vestments:
a . **White is used in the Offices and Masses during **the Easter and Christmas seasons; also on Trinity Sunday, celebrations of the Lord (other than of his Passion), of the Blessed Virgin Mary, of the Holy Angels, and of Saints who were not Martyrs; on the Solemnities of All Saints (November 1) and of the Nativity of St John the Baptist (June 24); and on the Feasts of St John the Evangelist (December 27), of the Chair of St Peter (February 22), and of the Conversion of St Paul (January 25). White may also be worn in Offices and Masses for the dead in the dioceses of England and Wales.
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d.Violet or purple is used in Advent and Lent. It may also be worn in Offices and Masses for the Dead.
e.Black may be used, where it is the practice, in Masses for the dead.
So while I can understand the use of black or violet/purple, it’s a clear violation of the rules of the GIRM.
My priest wore white on Nov. 1 (All Saints’ Day) also.I attended Nov 1 and 2 which he wore white.
The Catholic calendar says white for both but I think he wore red on the 1st.
D.
My father’s funeral was earlier this year. My mother and I chose the readings for the funeral Mass. In the guide that we were given, it mentioned what you just said here. It is not the custom, though, for the priest to wear black vestments for funerals here. He wore white for my father’s funeral Mass. The pall on the casket also was white. The old custom was that the pall was black if the vestments were black.From the GIRM:
e.Black may be used, where it is the practice, in Masses for the dead.
Just thinking …couldn’t All Saint’s and All Souls fall under “Masses for the Dead” therefore making the practice of wearing black suitable NOT a violation?The use of black for funerals is discouraged, and under the old (pre-VII) Roman pattern, black was for funeral and memorial masses.
The GIRM specifies white as specific for Nov. 1, All Souls Day.
From the GIRM:
346.
Traditional usage should be retained for the colours of sacred vestments:
a . **White is used in the Offices and Masses during **the Easter and Christmas seasons; also on Trinity Sunday, celebrations of the Lord (other than of his Passion), of the Blessed Virgin Mary, of the Holy Angels, and of Saints who were not Martyrs; on the Solemnities of All Saints (November 1) and of the Nativity of St John the Baptist (June 24); and on the Feasts of St John the Evangelist (December 27), of the Chair of St Peter (February 22), and of the Conversion of St Paul (January 25). White may also be worn in Offices and Masses for the dead in the dioceses of England and Wales.
…]
d.Violet or purple is used in Advent and Lent. It may also be worn in Offices and Masses for the Dead.
e.Black may be used, where it is the practice, in Masses for the dead.
So while I can understand the use of black or violet/purple, it’s a clear violation of the rules of the GIRM.
All Souls’ is a Mass for the dead. All Saints’ is a Mass for the Living (the Saints are alive in Heaven, more alive than we are since they are in the presence of God).Just thinking …couldn’t All Saint’s and All Souls fall under “Masses for the Dead” therefore making the practice of wearing black suitable NOT a violation?