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CHAPTER 15
Bishops and Deacons – Mutual reproofs

1 **Appoint therefore for yourselves bishops and deacons **worthy of the Lord, meek men, and not lovers of money, and truthful and approved, for they also minister to you the ministry of the prophets and teachers. 2 Therefore do not despise them, for they are your honourable men together with the prophets and teachers.

3 And reprove one another not in wrath but in peace as you find in the Gospel, and let none speak with any who has done a wrong to his neighbour, nor let him hear a word from you until he repents. 4 But your prayers and alms and all your acts perform as ye find in the Gospel of our Lord.
 
CHAPTER 11
Travelling teachers – Apostles – Prophets

1 Whosoever then comes and teaches you all these things aforesaid, receive him. 2 But if the teacher himself be perverted and teach another doctrine to destroy these things, do not listen to him, but **if his teaching be for the increase of righteousness and knowledge of the Lord, **receive him as the Lord.

3 And concerning the Apostles and Prophets, act thus according to the ordinance of the Gospel. 4 Let **every Apostle **who comes to you be received as the Lord, 5 but let him not stay more than one day, or if need be a second as well; but if he stay three days, he is a false prophet. 6 And when an Apostle goes forth let him accept nothing but bread till he reach his night’s lodging; but if he ask for money, he is a false prophet.

7 Do not test or examine any prophet who is speaking in a spirit, “for every sin shall be forgiven, but this sin shall not be forgiven.” 8 But not everyone who speaks in a spirit is a prophet, except he have the behaviour of the Lord. From his behaviour, then, the false prophet and the true prophet shall be known.

9 And no prophet who orders a meal in a spirit shall eat of it: otherwise he is a false prophet. 10 And every prophet who teaches the truth, if he do not what he teaches, is a false prophet.

11 But no prophet who has been tried and is genuine, though he enact a worldly mystery of the Church, if he teach not others to do what he does himself, shall be judged by you: for he has his judgment with God, for so also did the prophets of old. 12 But whosoever shall say in a spirit `Give me money, or something else,’ you shall not listen to him; but if he tell you to give on behalf of others in want, let none judge him.
 
CHAPTER 7
Baptism

1 Concerning baptism, baptise thus: Having first rehearsed all these things, “baptise, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” in running water; 2 but if thou hast no running water, baptise in other water, and if thou canst not in cold, then in warm. 3 But if thou hast neither, pour water three times on the head “in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” 4 And before the baptism let the baptiser and him who is to be baptised fast, and any others who are able. And** thou shalt bid him who is to be baptised to fast one or two days before**.

Doki note: no mention of infant baptism.
 
You do bring up some good points my friend.May I offer this in defence of Baptizing Infants.#1.What you quoted in the Didache is for adults.#2.I’m sure you’ve done some research on the Old Covenant(Gn.17:9-14).An 8 day old baby was to be circumsized.This baby knew nothing about God or the Law,but marked him as belonging to God.It was up to the parents to teach him about God and the Law.#3.The early Disciples were Jewish and we recieved our teachings and customs from them.#4.Baptism puts an indelible mark on the soul.After Baptism,the parents are to raise the child in the church and pass along her teachings.#5.In Acts 10:Peter Baptized a Whole household,family,servants and children.Hope this helps.🙂
 
You do bring up some good points my friend.May I offer this in defence of Baptizing Infants.#1.What you quoted in the Didache is for adults.#2.I’m sure you’ve done some research on the Old Covenant(Gn.17:9-14).An 8 day old baby was to be circumsized.This baby knew nothing about God or the Law,but marked him as belonging to God.It was up to the parents to teach him about God and the Law.#3.The early Disciples were Jewish and we recieved our teachings and customs from them.#4.Baptism puts an indelible mark on the soul.After Baptism,the parents are to raise the child in the church and pass along her teachings.#5.In Acts 10:Peter Baptized a Whole household,family,servants and children.Hope this helps.🙂
Thank you for your response. I’ve discussed this on this forum many times. I won’t bore anyone to say the same things I’ve said ad nauseum. Let me say, though, that circumcism of sons was directly commanded in the OT, but not so with baptism in the NT.
 
CHAPTER 7
Baptism

1 Concerning baptism, baptise thus: Having first rehearsed all these things, “baptise, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” in running water; 2 but if thou hast no running water, baptise in other water, and if thou canst not in cold, then in warm. 3 But if thou hast neither, pour water three times on the head “in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” 4 And before the baptism let the baptiser and him who is to be baptised fast, and any others who are able. And** thou shalt bid him who is to be baptised to fast one or two days before**.

Doki note: no mention of infant baptism.
Very interesting. I have looked into this a little and I find no infant baptism that were taught by the 12 Apostles.
 
Very interesting. I have looked into this a little and I find no infant baptism that were taught by the 12 Apostles

Just like the 12 never taught an adult-only or capable of reasoning for baptism.

We back to the same square Kev?

Let it go.
 
Very interesting. I have looked into this a little and I find no infant baptism that were taught by the 12 Apostles

Just like the 12 never taught an adult-only or capable of reasoning for baptism.

We back to the same square Kev?

Let it go.
What is it with you? I did not start this thread but you seem to love to comment on what I say. What is your problem?
 
I do own a copy of:A complete coarse on Bible Study,The Didache Series.May I suggest a reading of the early Church Fathers(Pope Clement,St.Ignacius etc.).If your honestly searching for what the early church taught,believed etc. for about 1500 yrs.before men came up with new opinions.I don’t want to sound as if I know everything,I am the least of the least.But I do Love our Lord Jesus and the Church He Founded.Respectfully,Rocky.
 
I do own a copy of:A complete coarse on Bible Study,The Didache Series.May I suggest a reading of the early Church Fathers(Pope Clement,St.Ignacius etc.).If your honestly searching for what the early church taught,believed etc. for about 1500 yrs.before men came up with new opinions.I don’t want to sound as if I know everything,I am the least of the least.But I do Love our Lord Jesus and the Church He Founded.Respectfully,Rocky.
Did you mean Pope Clement,St.Ignatius?
And The Epistles of Clement ?
 
Didn’t have to; it was a given
Early Teachings on Infant Baptism

Although many Protestant traditions baptize babies, Baptists—and “Bible churches” in the Baptist tradition—insist that baptism is only for those who have come to faith. Nowhere in the New Testament, they point out, do we read of infants being baptized.

On the other hand, nowhere do we read of children raised in believing households reaching the age of reason and then being baptized. The only explicit baptism accounts in the Bible involve converts from Judaism or paganism. **For children of believers there is no explicit mention of baptism—either in infancy or later. **

This poses a problem for Baptists and Bible Christians: On what basis do they require children of believers to be baptized at all? Given the silence of the New Testament, why not assume Christian baptism is only for adult converts?

This, of course, would be contrary to historical Christian practice. But so is rejecting infant baptism. As we will see, there is no doubt that the early Church practiced infant baptism; and no Christian objections to this practice were ever voiced until the Reformation.

The New Testament itself, while it does not explicitly say when (or whether) believers should have their children baptized, is not silent on the subject.


**Luke 18:15–16 tells us that “they were bringing even infants” to Jesus; and he himself related this to the kingdom of God: “Let the children come to me
. . . for to such belongs the kingdom of God.” **

When Baptists speak of “bringing someone to Jesus,” they mean leading him to faith. But Jesus says “even infants” can be “brought” to him. Even Baptists don’t claim their practice of “dedicating” babies does this. **The fact is, the Bible gives us no way of bringing anyone to Jesus apart from baptism. **

Thus Peter declared, “Repent, and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.** For the promise is to you and to your children” (Acts 2:38–39). **

The apostolic Church **baptized whole “households” (Acts 16:33; 1 Cor. 1:16), a term encompassing children and infants as well as servants. While these texts do not specifically mention—nor exclude—infants, the very use of the term “households” indicates an understanding of the family as a unit. Even one believing parent in a household makes the children and even the unbelieving spouse “holy” (1 Cor. 7:14). **

Does this mean unbelieving spouses should be baptized? Of course not. The kingdom of God is not theirs; they cannot be “brought to Christ” in their unbelief. But infants have no such impediment. **The kingdom is theirs, Jesus says, and they should be brought to him; and this means baptism. **

Baptism is the Christian equivalent of circumcision, or “the circumcision of Christ”: “In him you were also circumcised with . . . the circumcision of Christ, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead” (Col. 2:11–12). Thus, like circumcision, baptism can be given to children as well as adults. The difference is that circumcision was powerless to save (Gal. 5:6, 6:15), but “**aptism . . . now saves you” (1 Pet. 3:21).

**The first explicit evidence of children of believing households being baptized comes from the early Church—where infant baptism was uniformly upheld and regarded as apostolic. **In fact, the only reported controversy on the subject was a third-century debate whether or not to delay baptism until the eighth day after birth, like its Old Testament equivalent, circumcision! (See quotation from Cyprian, below; compare Leviticus 12:2–3.)

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Consider, too, that **Fathers raised in Christian homes (such as Irenaeus) would hardly have upheld infant baptism as apostolic if their own baptisms had been deferred until the age of reason. **

For example, infant baptism is assumed in Irenaeus’ writings below (since he affirms both that regeneration happens in baptism, and also that Jesus came so even infants could be regenerated). Since he was born in a Christian home in Smyrna around the year 140, this means he was probably baptized around 140. He was also probably baptized by the bishop of Smyrna at that time—Polycarp, a personal disciple of the apostle John, who had died only a few decades before.

Irenaeus

**“He [Jesus] came to save all through himself; all, I say, who through him are reborn in God: infants, and children, and youths, and old men. **Therefore he passed through every age, becoming an infant for infants, sanctifying infants; a child for children, sanctifying those who are of that age . . . [so that] he might be the perfect teacher in all things, perfect not only in respect to the setting forth of truth, perfect also in respect to relative age” (Against Heresies 2:22:4 [A.D. 189]).

"‘And [Naaman] dipped himself . . . seven times in the Jordan’ [2 Kgs. 5:14]. It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [this served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions, being spiritually regenerated as newborn babes, even as the Lord has declared: ‘Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:5]" (Fragment 34 [A.D. 190]).

Cyprian of Carthage

“As to what pertains to the case of infants: You [Fidus] said that they ought not to be baptized within the second or third day after their birth, that the old law of circumcision must be taken into consideration, and that you did not think that one should be baptized and sanctified within the eighth day after his birth. In our council it seemed to us far otherwise. No one agreed to the course which you thought should be taken. Rather, we all judge that the mercy and grace of God ought to be denied to no man born” (Letters 64:2 [A.D. 253]).

“If, in the case of the worst sinners and those who formerly sinned much against God, when afterwards they believe, the remission of their sins is granted and no** one is held back from baptism and grace, how much more, then, should an infant not be held back, who, having but recently been born, has done no sin, except that, born of the flesh according to Adam, he has contracted the contagion of that old death from his first being born. For this very reason does he [an infant] approach more easily to receive the remission of sins: because the sins forgiven him are not his own but those of another” **(ibid., 64:5).
 
CHAPTER 7
Baptism

1 Concerning baptism, baptise thus: Having first rehearsed all these things, “baptise, in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,” in running water; 2 but if thou hast no running water, baptise in other water, and if thou canst not in cold, then in warm. 3 But if thou hast neither, pour water three times on the head “in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.” 4 And before the baptism let the baptiser and him who is to be baptised fast, and any others who are able. And** thou shalt bid him who is to be baptised to fast one or two days before**.

Doki note: no mention of infant baptism.
It also doesn’t mention it is only for adults.
 
:tsktsk: Wait … don’t you know that 'real Christian history and beliefs only came into existance after the Reformation and Counter Reformation times? … Yes that correct … you see there was Jesus and the Apostles … then silence [well there were some mis-guided apostates - but no real Christians] until some time after the first reformers [because - well they believed things like the perpetual viginity of Mary and other unChristian ideas] …

Then, miraculously, Christianity became the Truth that we see lived out in every Bible believing Church - and they all have the Truth because well - they have the Bible … and so they know for certain that babies were not baptized [well - except for those bible churches that might] and that baptism is necessary [welll - except for those that don’t believe its necessary] and really ALL you really have to do is say the sinners prayer - alone in your car or at the Christian gathering - and you are a Christian - and absolutely nothing can prevcent your getting into heaven - no past, present or future sin … [well - unless your Bible Churhc has a more nuanced belief - but thats okay 👍 - just run from those “catholics” - man they just worship everything except Jesus]

:rotfl:

:whacky:

:hmmm:

It is really sad that you guys can’t come here with some intellectual integrity. Now where in scripture do you find baptism presented as an adult only - age of ‘reason’ practice … whole households mens just that … and in the context of the day an entire househld was multi-generational - extanding sideways [bothers and their wives, grand-parents, parents and children, cousins, etc] plus servants, hired help [farmers - herders] and even slaves … now if an entire household was baptized then not only children would have to be ‘promised’ for but the head of the household could and did speak for servants, workers and slaves …

Many places in scriptures is baptism related to circumcision and you aaccep that … except when it is related to baptism and children … then ‘of course’ they are ‘unrelated’ :rolleyes:
 
I had never heard of Didache. Then I looked into it today and I found it interesting.
If you are interested you may like Jurgens series The Faith of the Early Fathers if you haven’t already came across. I am guessing you haven’t since you hadn’t heard of the Didache.

It’s a three volume set which I found to be a very good overview of the writings of the early church (including the Didache). The doctrinal index and general index are great. I also found it fairly written. Of course keep in mind that I am a Catholic when I say that. My wife, a former evangelical, also found it fairly written. Of course it is mostly the writings of the early church with brief introductions by Jurgens so there is really no reason it wouldn’t be fair.

amazon.com/Faith-Early-Fathers-Three-Set/dp/0814610250/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271047916&sr=8-1-spell

God blesss you
 
For those who want an understanding of the history of Baptism; a definition, and understanding on how it became a sacrament please refer to posts 15 and 16. The info comes from ‘catholic.com’. It is a trusted explanation according to the earliest christians known as CATHOLICS; not to mention that the other ancient christian faiths also practiced ‘infant baptism’.

With all the scriptural explanations on baptism and the historical documents from the Early Fathers it is a wonder that non-believers don’t get it? I am truly disappointed with humanity and its capacity to keep confounding itself when the truth is plain and there is proof to back it up.

I realize that the posts #15 and #16 are lengthy, it is for this reason in which I have underlined and highlighted certain phrases to get an overview; however I would recommend that one reads it over carefully and prays to understand.

God Bless:)
 
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