differance between catholic & Episcopal church

[SAHmommy]

I just wanted to say that I attended Rite II service this morning for the first time and I very much enjoyed it and felt the presence of God. I have been trying to revert to the RCC for the last 2 years and just can’t seem to make it work. At the Episcopal church I found a beautiful church, that looked like a church (many RC churches in my area don’t look like churches), beautiful music, by Mozart and in Latin, reverence for the liturgy instead of children running up and down the aisles and adults who should know better, chatting during the homily. Prior to reverting back to RC, I was an Eastern Orthodox inquirer. At this point, I’m not sure where I’ll end up, but I doubt it will be RCC.

SAHmommy

 

[GKC]

I’m gonna give up.

It was ECUSA, I suppose? You’re right about the appearance; many ECUSA churches still look like that. But why Rite II? Find a 1928 BCP parish. You have no better chance of finding valid orders, but you get a liturgy that is less N.O.-ized. Better yet, find a Continuing Anglican parish.

The Latin was a nice find, though. I get lots less of that than I’d like, at my traditional Anglican parish.

Mozart? Not the true Anglican touch. Ralph Vaughan Williams.

GKC

SAHmommy:

I just wanted to say that I attended Rite II service this morning for the first time and I very much enjoyed it and felt the presence of God. I have been trying to revert to the RCC for the last 2 years and just can’t seem to make it work. At the Episcopal church I found a beautiful church, that looked like a church (many RC churches in my area don’t look like churches), beautiful music, by Mozart and in Latin, reverence for the liturgy instead of children running up and down the aisles and adults who should know better, chatting during the homily. Prior to reverting back to RC, I was an Eastern Orthodox inquirer. At this point, I’m not sure where I’ll end up, but I doubt it will be RCC.

SAHmommy

 

[SAHmommy]

GKC:

I’m gonna give up.

It was ECUSA, I suppose? You’re right about the appearance; many ECUSA churches still look like that. But why Rite II? Find a 1928 BCP parish. You have no better chance of finding valid orders, but you get a liturgy that is less N.O.-ized. Better yet, find a Continuing Anglican parish.

The Latin was a nice find, though. I get lots less of that than I’d like, at my traditional Anglican parish.

Mozart? Not the true Anglican touch. Ralph Vaughan Williams.

GKC

The Mozart was to recognize his 250th birthday. I have searched all the orginizationed mentioned in this thread for parishes in my area and the closest one is an hour’s drive away. I find it through the Anglican Communion Network. I was quite surpised to see a woman in vestments in their website photo gallery. I personally don’t approve of female ministers or priests.
SAHmommy

 

[GKC]

SAHmommy:

The Mozart was to recognize his 250th birthday. I have searched all the orginizationed mentioned in this thread for parishes in my area and the closest one is an hour’s drive away. I find it through the Anglican Communion Network. I was quite surpised to see a woman in vestments in their website photo gallery. I personally don’t approve of female ministers or priests.
SAHmommy

Your instincts are quite correct.

The ACN is more or less liberal on matters like that. Even the AMIA is. Anyone still in communion with Canterbury is, for that matter. Hence the Anglican Continuum.

GKC

 

[SAHmommy]

When I searched for “Anglican continuum”, I got a couple churches in England and Australia and a bunch of blogs, nothing in the US. Is there an orginization website where I might find parishes? I’m definitely more conservative than most of my friends who attend ECUSA churches. The reason I choose to attend that particular parish, instead of going with a friend to her church, was that it was the only one in my county that doesn’t list a female as the minister.

SAHmommy

 

[ClaudineJohnson]

SAHmommy:

I just wanted to say that I attended Rite II service this morning for the first time and I very much enjoyed it and felt the presence of God. I have been trying to revert to the RCC for the last 2 years and just can’t seem to make it work. At the Episcopal church I found a beautiful church, that looked like a church (many RC churches in my area don’t look like churches), beautiful music, by Mozart and in Latin, reverence for the liturgy instead of children running up and down the aisles and adults who should know better, chatting during the homily. Prior to reverting back to RC, I was an Eastern Orthodox inquirer. At this point, I’m not sure where I’ll end up, but I doubt it will be RCC.

SAHmommy

I don’t know where it is that you’re looking for an RC church and not coming up with any agreeable possibilities. In my diocese we have a large number of what I might call regular “low church” N.O. parishes. But, if one looks around they will find certain priests that celebrate Mass with a special degree of devotion. There are a couple who sponsor special Holy Day Masses with good old style Catholic music. We have one Tridentine Rite parish and several Eastern Rite parishes (which are technically not part of our diocese – but they are Catholic, and they exist as options in our area). I certainly could see someone who came to our area and didn’t search out all these options, simply not seeing them. I’d say, take a closer look. Perhaps use the internet to look at what’s available in your diocese, or a neighboring diocese. www.masstimes.org will let you search by diocese or zip code, as well as a few other options – like language. These days most parishes seem to have a home page. They don’t always keep it current, but this might give you some sense of a parish even before you visit.

Finally, although I much prefer the lovely old church buildings, I’ve seen what a devoted priest can do with a modern church building, and what he can do with a building from a respectable period when the architect seemed to lack much artistic style.

Best wishes in your search.

Claudine

 

[David_Zampino]

Semper Fi:

Nope, in fact the Anglican Communion was the first Christian church which allowed any form of contraception.

Yup. Lambeth Conference, 1930. Over the strenuous objections of the Archbishop of Canterbury.

Blessings,

 

[SAHmommy]

ClaudineJohnson:

I don’t know where it is that you’re looking for an RC church and not coming up with any agreeable possibilities.
Claudine

My issues with the RC church has nothing to do with the buildings or even the Rite. My issues are personal and doctrinal.

SAHmommy

 

[ClaudineJohnson]

SAHmommy:

My issues with the RC church has nothing to do with the buildings or even the Rite. My issues are personal and doctrinal.

SAHmommy

If this question isn’t too personal, are you looking for Truth, or does something else drive your interest?

My husband is Lutheran. He often tries to taunt me with the fact that their new members class is generally well populated with former RCs. I ask him how many are divorced. It’s generally all of them. I suppose they don’t ask whether the Lutherans have maintained Apostolic Succession. They have a liturgical service and they believe in the Real Presence, so lots of folks feel comfortable there. They also differ from RCs in a number of their beliefs and practices.

Claudine

 

[JoeyWarren]

SAHmommy:

My issues with the RC church has nothing to do with the buildings or even the Rite. My issues are personal and doctrinal.
SAHmommy

That is why a lot of us are here.

Some have personal issues.
Some have doctrinal issues.
Some are here to help with those issues.
And Some are here just to do battle with Catholics.

We can put you onto the road to Rome, but we can’t make you cross the Tiber river, that you must do on your own.

I would encourage to open a new thread on any personal issue(that is airable of course) and on any doctrinal issue.

Good day and go live the good news.

 

[SAHmommy]

ClaudineJohnson:

If this question isn’t too personal, are you looking for Truth, or does something else drive your interest?

Claudine

The easiest to explain and least personal issue is the fact that I was raised in an interfaith marriage. While my mom sent us to CCD and my siblings and I had our sacraments in the Catholic church, she was not very religious. My father, on the other hand, was a devout Greek Orthodox. Most of our home religious education came from him. Also, because we lived near his family, most of the big holidays were spent with them. That means that while we went to Mass on Catholic Easter, the big family meal was always on Orthodox Pascha. I grew up hearing that each church was the One, True Church. As a result, I’m not sure which one is or if there is such a thing.
SAHmommy

 

[buzzcut]

St_Benedict:

The old joke is ‘Everything is up for debate in Anglicanism - up to and including the existence of God’

Or how about this …

“In the Anglican Church you can believe anything you want, just so long as you don’t believe it too strongly.”

 

[rebel]

The major difference between the two churches is that the Episcopal church is Protestant, regardless of its trappings. They can point to apostolic succession for the validity of their sacraments but the truth is that the valid apostolic succession ended with the heresy of Protestantism. Pope Leo XIII ruled on this (though I can’t remember the title of his pronouncement.) This is why you have so many differences in the denomination itself–each Episcopal decides for him/herself what he wants to believe. Even the Archbishop of Canterbury can’t demand the final authority. Some say ordaining actively gay bishops and priests is ok–many don’t. Some women are ordained priests, etc., etc. Don’t be swayed by the looks of the worship–their bread is still bread and the wine is still wine since heresy ended the power to confect the Blessed Sacrament.

 

[buzzcut]

SAHmommy:

Is there an orginization website where I might find parishes?

I doubt such a thing exists. There’s a bewildering variety of these Anglican/Episcopal splinter groups, most of them very new and very small.

 

[GKC]

rebel:

The major difference between the two churches is that the Episcopal church is Protestant, regardless of its trappings. They can point to apostolic succession for the validity of their sacraments but the truth is that the valid apostolic succession ended with the heresy of Protestantism. Pope Leo XIII ruled on this (though I can’t remember the title of his pronouncement.) This is why you have so many differences in the denomination itself–each Episcopal decides for him/herself what he wants to believe. Even the Archbishop of Canterbury can’t demand the final authority. Some say ordaining actively gay bishops and priests is ok–many don’t. Some women are ordained priests, etc., etc. Don’t be swayed by the looks of the worship–their bread is still bread and the wine is still wine since heresy ended the power to confect the Blessed Sacrament.

The Papal letter over Leo’s signature in 1896 was Apostolicae Curae. It’s a sad subject that I know more than a little about. Recommended reading on both sides of the issue would include (the then Jesuit) Father Clark’s book on the RC side, ANGLICAN ORDERS AND DEFECT OF INTENTION, and two books written by another RC priest, Fr. John Hughes’ ABSOLUTELY NULL AND UTTERLY VOID and STEWARDS OF THE LORD, for the Anglican side. (Fr. Hughes is an interesting individual; a former Anglican priest who was the first such to be ordained
*sub conditione * when he went to Rome). Of course, as an RC, you don’t need to know any details, just that the judgement was made, and that’s an end on it. For Anglicans, it’s different. I had to read the history.

Anglicans possess the apostolic succession, valid orders, and valid sacraments (ignoring those who are playing around with females in episcopal garments), including particularly those who possess Old Catholic or PNCC lines, (which is outside the judgement of Apostolicae Curae). You, as a RC, should follow what AC says, as you do, of course. I don’t. Still, you might find Fr. Hughes’ 2 books I listed above interesting. Or maybe not.

GKC

Anglicanus Catholicus

 

[Anima_Christi]

a_cermak:

I was relieved to see that I won’t have to take a RCIA program to receive sacraments in the Episcopal Church. I’ve been a Roman Catholic Apostate for the last two years and am looking to regularize myself by becoming Episcopalian. It at least sounds better than Apostate and I’ve found a very nice worship community. I have nothing against the Roman Catholic Church, I just don’t agree with Her on all things. I have deeply held beliefs that are more important to me than anything else and which will not be changed. Some of those are in opposition to Rome. None of them is in opposition to the Episcopalian Church so it seems as though this is a better fit for both of us.

Choosing a church because it “fits” you rather than because it has the Truth is quintessentially protestant.

 

[mikew262]

Anima Christi:

Choosing a church because it “fits” you rather than because it has the Truth is quintessentially protestant.

One should go worship where they feel comfortable. This person would be a hypocrite if he/she continued to attend Catholic Church, yet didn’t believe in it’s doctrine.

As long as she is a practicing Christian, IMO that is good enough for God.

 

[cathgal]

All these talk about differences and whatnot, but it all come down to this:

Christ / God founded ONE church and that is the Catholic Church. HE promised to protect it 'til the end of time. Truth lives here.

All others are founded by man and are not protected…as can be seen throughout the ages…

…and this is what makes all the difference in the world.

 

[SAHmommy]

cathgal:

Christ / God founded ONE church and that is the Catholic Church. HE promised to protect it 'til the end of time. Truth lives here.
All others are founded by man and are not protected…as can be seen throughout the ages…
.

The Eastern Orthodox say that their church is the one founded by Christ. It certainly can be seen throughout the ages. It certainly is as old the Catholic Church. It certainly teaches the Apostolic Faith. OR are you saying it was founded by a man in 1054?

SAHmommy

 

[cathgal]

SAHmommy:

The Eastern Orthodox say that their church is the one founded by Christ. It certainly can be seen throughout the ages. It certainly is as old the Catholic Church. It certainly teaches the Apostolic Faith. OR are you saying it was founded by a man in 1054?

SAHmommy

Again, Christ founded ONE only and he assigned ONE supreme authority of the whole Church. So having 2 true churches is not the right answer. Either one is in schism and the other being the true Church. As history shows and the early Church Fathers claim, the Catholic Church is the one true Church with the Pope as a supreme authority. Is still is…and ever shall be… 'til the end of time.