Difference between Baptist and Souther Baptist?

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What, if any are the main general divisions between the two churches if any? Are there Northern Baptist churches?
 
There are several Baptist Conventions (what they divide themselves into), which include Southern (broken off in the mid-19th Century), National, American, Independent and more.
 
dont forget about the reformed-primitive-free-will-old-german-apostolic-grace road baptist(wisconsin synod of 1914 u.s.a.) convention.

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and American Baptists, General Association of Regular Baptists, and Baptist General Conference to name three more.
 
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What, if any are the main general divisions between the two churches if any? Are there Northern Baptist churches?
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There are many kinds of Baptists in the U.S. The Southern Baptists are the largest (indeed, they are the largest American Protestant denomination, and may have more people in their churches on a Sunday than even the Catholic Church, though I don’t think that’s been proven as yet) and thus the best known. The American Baptist Churches in the U.S.A. (not the same thing as the American Baptist Association) are the historic “Northern Baptist” counterpart to the Southern Baptists. They tend to be much more liberal, though they are all over the map and include many conservative evangelicals. There are many other Baptist conventions and independent churches, including several conventions made up nearly entirely of African-Americans (of course there are black members of the predominantly white groups as well). Many of the smaller (white) groups (and probably all the “independent Baptists”) are if anything *more *conservative than the Southern Baptists, though in recent years (as the SBC has become more aggressively and uniformly conservative) there are liberal split-offs as well.

It’s pretty hard to generalize about Baptists.

Edwin
 
The Southern Baptists broke away from the Northern Baptists for the same reasons the south seceded from the North. Many Baptists in the south were slave owners. The Baptists in the North preached that slavery was evil and not to be condoned. Some Baptists in the South went so far as to twist Biblical scripture to prove that slavery was acceptable. Thus the schism.
Now you won’t find this as the “official” reason. The official reason had something to do with “missions and missionaries” but if you dig deep enough and Google long enough if you will find the story. It is odd that that the churches that separated into the Southern Baptists almost perfectly mirror the old Confederacy.
 
I’m going to be brief here. I might post more later. I was raised So. Baptist. There are over 127+ Baptist denominations believing everything you can think of. For some the only differences is the way they pass the offering plate. I don’t quite know any better explaination. This discussion could get quite complex. Like what version of the Bible to read (and the more read and mis-interpreted the more baptist denominations created) Is that why there aren’t 127+ different types of Catholic Chruches?

A few reasons (and there are more) why I became a Catholic.
  1. I was told by a Baptist minister “abortion doesn’t matter, all the babies go to heaven anyway” I never went back to that chruch !!! Ok, I know there is a Liberal Catholic Church; but, you’ll never see me set foot in it either !!!
Hum, that would make a good question “What’s the difference in the So. Baptist chruches of today and the Liberal Catholic Chruch?” (not much; look it up on the web)
  1. In another Baptist chruch I asked “Why don’t we have communion more than 3 to 4 times a year?” The answer given was “It is to inconvienent to prepare for the Lords Supper”. Jesus said eating his body and drinking his blood had something to do with salvation (my understanding of the scripture) and communion is how we are supposed to remember Jesus until his return and we partake of the fourth cup of the Passover with Him in Heaven. Something doesn’t add up with these Baptist chruches, right, huh?
  2. Apostolic Succession mean anything?
    Some Baptist chruches were made by men not in Valid Orders?
  3. I hold to the three creeds. Most Baptist don’t even know their chruch covenant and if they do don’t abide by it. I quote: “I will abstain from the use and sale of alcohol as a beverage”.
The Nicene Creed hasn’t ever been changed for almost 2,000 yrs and most Catholics read it and believe what it says every Mass.
  1. I feel comfortable and accepted in the church I attend now. (St. Catherine of Siena, Chico, CA)
There are other reasons …

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Robert Berry

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It is probably useful to distinguish here between the ‘evangelical’ forms of Baptist profession, and the ‘mainline’ churches. I was raised in the Baptist Church of Canada, which is a very ordinary, every-day protestant church, just like the Catholic Church of which I am now a member. Beliefs differed somewhat, but our services were serene, our views moderate to quasi-liberal, and our task was to model Christ within our communities. We were to serve: that was more important than salvation or theological quibbling.

There is apparently a separate Baptist convention in the western part of Canada, and two independent Baptist Churches in the eastern Maritime provinces. I believe that each church and its minister is responsible for setting out, articulating and living its principal beliefs, although there is clearly a commonality among churches based on tradition, experience, the Scriptures and the passing of time. The Canadian Baptist churches do not belong to the World Council of Churches, for reasons which I cannot imagine.

My recent understanding is that although certain American Baptist communions have moved into Canada, there is absolutely no relationship between them and the Canadian Baptist conventions: the traditions, the codes, the beliefs, the activities, as I learned when a member of the Baptist Young People’s Union, are supremely different. We were never immoderate. Or does that sound picky?

In Christ,
 
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There are many kinds of Baptists in the U.S. The Southern Baptists are the largest (indeed, they are the largest American Protestant denomination, and may have more people in their churches on a Sunday than even the Catholic Church, though I don’t think that’s been proven as yet) and thus the best known. The American Baptist Churches in the U.S.A. (not the same thing as the American Baptist Association) are the historic “Northern Baptist” counterpart to the Southern Baptists. They tend to be much more liberal, though they are all over the map and include many conservative evangelicals. There are many other Baptist conventions and independent churches, including several conventions made up nearly entirely of African-Americans (of course there are black members of the predominantly white groups as well). Many of the smaller (white) groups (and probably all the “independent Baptists”) are if anything *more *conservative than the Southern Baptists, though in recent years (as the SBC has become more aggressively and uniformly conservative) there are liberal split-offs as well.

It’s pretty hard to generalize about Baptists.

Edwin
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You are right, Edwin. There is another recent split from the Southern Baptist Church: the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship (thefellowship.info). There are quite a few of those around here, and William Jewell College (Liberty Missouri, a suburb of Kansas City,) afilliated with them when it was “bounced” out of the Missouri Baptist Convention of the Southern Baptist Convention over its support of homosexuality and the usual liberal “hot button issues.”. While the Cooperative Baptists claim to be authentically Baptist, they are quite liberal, accepting active, openly GLBT clergy, gay marriage, abortion, a low view of the nature and authority of Scripture and so forth.

But the Southern Baptists differ from the Northern Baptists IAmerican Baptist Churches USA - abc-usa.org/resources/10facts.pdf ) in their generally profound theological (and political conservatism.) Though they hold as an article of faith what they call the “competence of the individual soul” in the interpretation of scripture, doctrines, etc., and many are not aware of their confessional documents, and even though they say they eschew creeds, they do have confessional documents. Historically, they have followed the Calvinistic New Hampshire Confession of Faith of 1833 (en.wikisource.org/wiki/New_Hampshire_Confession_of_Faith), and still greatly respect it, their current confession which must be formally accepted in writing by their clergy, lay church workers, Sunday School teachers, and both faculty and staff of their theological seminaries is the Baptist Faith And Message of 20008. Here is a link from the Southern Baptist Convention’s website comparing three editions of that confessional document side by side: sbc.net/bfm/bfmcomparison.asp.

The Northern Baptist Convention is in “full communion” / “fellowship” with the United Church of Christ and the Christian Church - Disciples of Christ to the extent that in recent years they have been holding their periodic legislative Church-wide Assemblies together (some years back their joint convention was held at Crown Center here in Kansas City.)

Hope this helps.

Blessings,
Irl
 
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