Difference between SJW and Social Justice in CCC

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mrsdizzyd said:
Subsidiarity. Folks keep bringing this up.

Can we have an honest discussion about this principle? It is not a useful defense for a position that is against all government intervention.

The Church’s position corrects and limits. It does not preclude.
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Consider this then, and see if there is not hypocrisy. The principle of subsidiarity was first and primarily used in an ecclesial context, though it is universal. Yet it seems whenever direction from the bishops in the United States (the USCCB) is given about circumstances in the United States, the same side that cries for subsidiarity in government give it no respect in the Church. Notice how often these bishops are written off for just being prudent (as if that is a bad thing), and an appeal is made to the Church universal, the Pope or the Vatican. even when every bishop in the United States is unanimous, or near unanimous, agreement about such issues as healthcare, immigration, poverty, etc.
 
Yep! Some of these folks are just anti-authority which is an odd thing for a Catholic I’d think.
 
I don’t think these Bishops are following subsidiarity in their proposed action.

The Bishops in Mexico are primarily responsible for their flock. If they need help then by all means they can appeal for aid from US Bishops and US Catholics. But our role is not to supplant the responsibility of the Mexican Bishops, we are to aide them in caring for their flock. Maybe US Bishops should care more about extremely high past levels of black unemployment, people who can be deemed their more direct responsibility. US Bishops should care more about our homeless than foreign nationals that belong to another parish in another country.

Subsidiarity teaches engaging locally, not pushing authoritarian top down solutions. Subsidiarity also recognizes that not all communities will NOT have equally effective responses, but it’s critical that local people are the primary respondents.
 
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SJW? My mother coined the term when she found out that i became Catholic despite her disapproval.

Just kidding…
 
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Social justice warriors are essentially people who fight to be free from what they perceive as ideological or religious restraints in law or culture that do not reflect their personal ideas of freedom and identity. Usually it’s recognition of their identity by the law that they are fighting for. The term usually refers to people who fight for transgender people, homosexuals etc… But it can also refer to people who are fighting for free health care or against poverty or taxation of the rich, although these people are more popularly thought of as communists by the far right (even though they are not.).
 
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I don’t believe social justice in the CCC is anti-Christian.
SJW are anti-Christian.
 
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blackforest said:
I haven’t read the whole thread. But the short answer is that there is no difference. One is term is pejorative and mocking, and the other reflects adherence to Roman Catholic Social Teaching.
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I think if you try to define the term (which I really hope someone will do) it will turn up what seem to me to be very substantial differences.
 
Theo520 said:
US Bishops should care more about our homeless than foreign nationals that belong to another parish in another country.
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Parishes are set up by residency. Mexican nationals, legal or not, are parishioners of the the diocese in which they are residing. God takes the opposite view to the stranger than you do, as the cry of the foreigner who is mistreated is one of the sins that cry to Heaven.
 
pnewton said:
Parishes are set up by residency. Mexican nationals, legal or not, are parishioners of the the diocese in which they are residing. God takes the opposite view to the stranger than you do, as the cry of the foreigner who is mistreated is one of the sins that cry to Heaven.
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If someone doesn’t qualify as a refugee, they are breaking our laws and it’s appropriate to deport them. Until they are deported the parish they attend in the US should naturally provide them with assistance.

Don’t you also think our Bishops should focus on our homeless as a priority. They are not able to support themselves and don’t have a home to return to.

What do you think of Mexican Bishops encouraging illegal immigration? Instead why aren’t they asking for help to tend to their flock?
 
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God takes the opposite view to the stranger than you do, as the cry of the foreigner who is mistreated is one of the sins that cry to Heaven.
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and how is God with forcing your thoughts on others through the tax system and the mistreating of the national who has to pay for it?

What we are talking about is a massive relocation and replacement program with little care or respect for the underlying cultures who are affected and the tone deaf response to their cries which reach to high Heaven.
 
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Theo520 said:
What do you think of Mexican Bishops encouraging illegal immigration? Instead why aren’t they asking for help to tend to their flock?
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I agree. Too much of the church in this regard is close to my criticism of socialist thinking. It stops promoting what works in society and retreats to relocating people and arguing for the socialist ideology of taking wealth off others.

If certain countries are not working then you have to do the heavy lifting and understand why that is and do something about it. The church is almost uniquely placed to be a force for good in the world in this regard. Instead too much of it seems to have a disastrous attitude of victim politics and the right to take off others. The church used to go out and preach the gospel and build churches, universities, working monasteries, hospitals et cetera and underpin economic development.

I think it is a lazy retreat for it to sit back and take a corrupt socialist attitude of solving all problems by attacking those that heeded its original call and created functioning societies and economies.

The proper answer for the church is to create more functioning societies and economies not let them slide into state redistribution disaster like Venezuela and parasite the US economy. It seems to want to forget how to build communities and economies in favour of lazy (and detrimental) redistribution ideology mixed with victim politics.

Such an approach is negative, not positive in my opinion.

I think putting the church at the mercy of state finances helps it to not recognise the narrowing retreat of its position. It also takes it too close to the Left leaning politically correct religion which is seeking to replace it and it is winning because of church subservience. In countries like Australia for example if state finances were pulled from the church it would go pretty close to collapsing because it has become lazy and irrelevant to a large section of the population there.

It supports state redistribution because it is a beneficiary of it and this corruption stops it from being the forward looking force it used to be which built functioning independent communities.
 
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Theo520 said:
Don’t you also think our Bishops should focus on our homeless as a priority. They are not able to support themselves and don’t have a home to return to.
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Absolutely not. The only priority they should have is based on need, not citizenship. These people are their homeless, their poor, their needy. But even that must take a back seat to the spiritual needs of the people in their parish, regardless of how they ended up their.

You may be right about the bishops in Mexico, or not. I do not live there so I am ignorant of what they should do, way too ignorant to have an opinion.
 
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Theo520 said:
nope
subsidiarity teaches you prioritize the need of your neighbor
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There are many immigrants, undocumented or not, that are my neighbors. Jesus taught who our neighbor is, and in his parable, it was a foreigner, a Samaritan.
 
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