Difference between Spirit and Soul?

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I’ve read a lot of religious material that has reference to both our Spirt and Soul but I’ve never quite grasped a concise relation between the two. If in fact they are 2 seperate parts and not the same thing what is the relation between them? I’m confused… :o
 
TxPatriot281 said:
I’ve read a lot of religious material that has reference to both our Spirt and Soul but I’ve never quite grasped a concise relation between the two. If in fact they are 2 seperate parts and not the same thing what is the relation between them? I’m confused… :o
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Hi.

This question’s been asked and answered a few times on the Forums.

Angels are purely spirit, as are demons. But humans have one thing angels and demons don’t have: a body.

The spiritual component that makes a body alive is the soul. But unlike spiritual beings, the human being is unique in that it **both **soul and body (just as God as a being is both Father and Son and Holy Spirit, and not separate beings). To be human requires a body to be fully whole. Sin caused an unnatural separation of our souls from our bodies.

But Christ gave us the “glue” to reunify ourselves through His Passion.

It’s why Christ promises all of us a glorified body, reunited with our souls in Heaven, at the General Resurrection.

See these recent CAF threads for past discussions on the question.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=81887
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=80715&highlight=sheed
 
Spencerian said:
Hi.

This question’s been asked and answered a few times on the Forums.

Angels are purely spirit, as are demons. But humans have one thing angels and demons don’t have: a body.

The spiritual component that makes a body alive is the soul. But unlike spiritual beings, the human being is unique in that it **both **soul and body (just as God as a being is both Father and Son and Holy Spirit, and not separate beings). To be human requires a body to be fully whole. Sin caused an unnatural separation of our souls from our bodies.

But Christ gave us the “glue” to reunify ourselves through His Passion.

**It’s why Christ promises all of us a glorified body, reunited with our souls in Heaven, at the General Resurrection.
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See these recent CAF threads for past discussions on the question.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=81887
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=80715&highlight=sheed
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Where is the scripture that you gather the 1st bold part? That’s not what the Bible says.

1 How can we be reunited with our “souls” in Heaven, when the dead in Christ has not risen yet?
-1 Thessalonians 4:16 says For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
  1. No one (if not specified in the Bible) has received their reward from Christ yet. We don’t receive our reward until after His second coming, according to the Bible.
    -Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
    -Revelation 22:12 says that Christ’s reward is with Him. This lets us know that those who have died has no received their reward, whether it is everlasting life or death.
    -Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be
Job 27:3 says All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Before you give an interpretation, you should really refer to the Bible to see what it says. Just a suggestion…Clearly, what you said does not match up with the Bible.
 
Spencerian said:
Hi.

This question’s been asked and answered a few times on the Forums.

Angels are purely spirit, as are demons. But humans have one thing angels and demons don’t have: a body.

The spiritual component that makes a body alive is the soul. But unlike spiritual beings, the human being is unique in that it **both **soul and body (just as God as a being is both Father and Son and Holy Spirit, and not separate beings). To be human requires a body to be fully whole. Sin caused an unnatural separation of our souls from our bodies.

But Christ gave us the “glue” to reunify ourselves through His Passion.

It’s why Christ promises all of us a glorified body, reunited with our souls in Heaven, at the General Resurrection.

See these recent CAF threads for past discussions on the question.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=81887
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=80715&highlight=sheed
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Also, according to the Bible, you are again wrong about the soul. You said that our souls are in Heaven, I bold it for you. According to your logic, if a soul is in Heaven then souls must be in Hell. (I don’t believe that Hell is a place other than the grave) But I am using the world belief of what Hell is. If souls are in Heaven and Hell, before Christ has rewarded anyone, then that means the "soul/spirit/people have immortality before it is given.

Again, how can our souls be in Heaven OR hell if this verse say otherwise?

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the
son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Secondly, how can someone be in Heaven if they have not yet received immortality? If they have received immortality, then that means Christ has given His reward before His second coming. This means that either A you are right and the Bible contradicts itself or B the Bible is right and you are wrong. Because what the Bible has said, you said the opposite of. We all know that the Bible does not contradict itself.

1 Timothy 6:14-16
14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ

15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Lastly but not least…

1 Thessalonians 4:14 says For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

How can Jesus bring someone with Him, if they are already there?
 
MeekandHumble said:
Also, according to the Bible, you are again wrong about the soul. You said that our souls are in Heaven, I bold it for you. According to your logic, if a soul is in Heaven then souls must be in Hell. (I don’t believe that Hell is a place other than the grave) But I am using the world belief of what Hell is. If souls are in Heaven and Hell, before Christ has rewarded anyone, then that means the "soul/spirit/people have immortality before it is given.

Again, how can our souls be in Heaven OR hell if this verse say otherwise?

Ezekiel 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the
son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Secondly, how can someone be in Heaven if they have not yet received immortality? If they have received immortality, then that means Christ has given His reward before His second coming. This means that either A you are right and the Bible contradicts itself or B the Bible is right and you are wrong. Because what the Bible has said, you said the opposite of. We all know that the Bible does not contradict itself.

1 Timothy 6:14-16
14That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ

15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.

2 Timothy 1:10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Lastly but not least…

1 Thessalonians 4:14 says For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

How can Jesus bring someone with Him, if they are already there?
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Hi.

Where in the Bible does it say that everything is in the Bible? 🙂

I’d be happy to help in clarifying only one specific question at a time, and let others in the forum to assist with the others.

Is there one question I should pay particular attention to?
 
Spencerian said:
Hi.

Where in the Bible does it say that everything is in the Bible? 🙂

I’d be happy to help in clarifying only one specific question at a time, and let others in the forum to assist with the others.

Is there one question I should pay particular attention to?
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What is it about my paragraph that you disagree with? Again, what that person said does not match up with the Bible and I gave scripture to prove it. Even if that person gave his/her thought based on another book (catholic), it does not match up with what the Bible says. It is too clear. IF, and I said IF the Bible does not have everything in it (that we need) that does not excuse why catholic doctrine does not match up with it.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man

According to the Bible we are to Fear God and keep HIS commandments. The Bible teaches how to do both things from Genesis to Revelation. Also, we are to act exactly how Christ acted/would act. Christ not only set the example on earth, but the book of John declares that He is the Word.

That’s why the Bible has everything we need in it. Christ followed His Father’s commandments and we should to. How can one argue against the Bible when it clearly says that Christ is the Word.

Isaiah 8:19, 20 from the NKJV says And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Why would God say if they speak not according to this word…what word? The word of God. What is the word of God? The Bible. He didn’t say “their” word, his/her word, or those words, but He said THIS word. That means we shouldn’t speak according to another word because the Bible is what He gave us to follow.
 
MeekandHumble said:
What is it about my paragraph that you disagree with? Again, what that person said does not match up with the Bible and I gave scripture to prove it. Even if that person gave his/her thought based on another book (catholic), it does not match up with what the Bible says. It is too clear. IF, and I said IF the Bible does not have everything in it (that we need) that does not excuse why catholic doctrine does not match up with it.

Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man

According to the Bible we are to Fear God and keep HIS commandments. The Bible teaches how to do both things from Genesis to Revelation. Also, we are to act exactly how Christ acted/would act. Christ not only set the example on earth, but the book of John declares that He is the Word.

That’s why the Bible has everything we need in it. Christ followed His Father’s commandments and we should to. How can one argue against the Bible when it clearly says that Christ is the Word.

Isaiah 8:19, 20 from the NKJV says And when they say to you, “Seek those who are mediums and wizards, who whisper and mutter,” should not a people seek their God? Should they seek the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Why would God say if they speak not according to this word…what word? The word of God. What is the word of God? The Bible. He didn’t say “their” word, his/her word, or those words, but He said THIS word. That means we shouldn’t speak according to another word because the Bible is what He gave us to follow.
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MeekandHumble:

I’m sorry. I still don’t see the specific question you wish me to answer.

I can provide many Scriptural references to the original poster’s question (and I think I already had). However, in your initial counter-replies you provided so many divergent questions that it will derail the topic unnecessarily if I tried to answer them, point by point.

So, keeping to the topic on the nature of the soul and the General Resurrection and to avoid throwing Scripture sound-bites at each other (which proves nothing for either argument), I’d be happy to answer one specific question.
 
Spencerian said:
MeekandHumble:

I’m sorry. I still don’t see the specific question you wish me to answer.

I can provide many Scriptural references to the original poster’s question (and I think I already had). However, in your initial counter-replies you provided so many divergent questions that it will derail the topic unnecessarily if I tried to answer them, point by point.

So, keeping to the topic on the nature of the soul and the General Resurrection and to avoid throwing Scripture sound-bites at each other (which proves nothing for either argument), I’d be happy to answer one specific question.
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I never asked you a question. I simply replied to someone who was wrong about what the Bible says. If you want to respond to my reply, be my guest. But please, use scripture. I’m not trying to change the topic, but when someone gives incorrect information about what is in the Bible, it is my duty and the duty of others who follow the Bible, to correct them.
 
MeekandHumble said:
I never asked you a question. I simply replied to someone who was wrong about what the Bible says. If you want to respond to my reply, be my guest. But please, use scripture. I’m not trying to change the topic, but when someone gives incorrect information about what is in the Bible, it is my duty and the duty of others who follow the Bible, to correct them.
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Sorry, but I *am *using Scripture.

I’m also using Sacred Tradition, the way of Christianity before the Bible was fully compiled two centuries later. For instance, please find the word “Trinity” in the Bible. You will never find it because while the concept is there, the words aren’t. Same is true for purgatory. The General Resurrection is specifically indicated in the Bible.

Perhaps you can form a simple question about an error from Catholic scriptural teaching I could have given in my answer to the original poster. I’ll be happy to give you all supporting information, including Scriptural references as appropriate.
 
Spencerian said:
Sorry, but I *am *using Scripture.

I’m also using Sacred Tradition, the way of Christianity before the Bible was fully compiled two centuries later. For instance, please find the word “Trinity” in the Bible. You will never find it because while the concept is there, the words aren’t. Same is true for purgatory. The General Resurrection is specifically indicated in the Bible.

Perhaps you can form a simple question about an error from Catholic scriptural teaching I could have given in my answer to the original poster. I’ll be happy to give you all supporting information, including Scriptural references as appropriate.
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I’m sorry if I’m not clear. I have no question for you specifically. I only replied to you to inform you that your post was inconsistent with the Bible. I posted scripture to show you how it was inconsistent.

If you want to show me that my post is wrong, I am open for correction from the Bible.
 
MeekandHumble said:
I’m sorry if I’m not clear. I have no question for you specifically. I only replied to you to inform you that your post was inconsistent with the Bible. I posted scripture to show you how it was inconsistent.

If you want to show me that my post is wrong, I am open for correction from the Bible.
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That’s fine. I’ve taken a look back at your questions in your first post regarding a glorified body.

The Catholic Encyclopedia has an entry about the General Resurrection. If you look under the headings there on “Dogma of the Resurrection”, it shows both Old and New Testament scriptural passages where support for the resurrection of the body is spoken of by the Apostle John, and noted in the verses of Books of Daniel, Isaiah, Matthew, and Romans, among other entries.

The last heading, “Characteristics of the Risen Body,” notes how Christ’s own resurrected body showed characteristics we expect of all who rise with the Lord on the last day. This entry, too, includes specific sections in the Bible that reflect this as well.

These entries are Catholic teaching from both Sacred Tradition at the time of Christ and, later, the Bible itself as the canon was formed decades later. Let me know if there is something that you have further thoughts on regarding that entry, if you wish, and we can go from there.
 
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