Differences Between Catholic and Methodist?

[wabrams]

Katholikos:

No offense, but anything Methodists believe that does not agree with the teaching of the Catholic Church is “private interpretation.”

If every denomination agreed with the Catholic Church, then there would be only one church, right?

 

[wabrams]

Katholikos:

Jesus Christ founded only one Church, in Jerusalem, in 33 A.D. All others are man-made and appeared centuries later – e.g., Methodism in the 18th century. The Church is the Bride of Christ (Eph 5:25-33; 2 Cor 11:2; Rev 22:17) – do you think He has a harem ?

Sorry, but I don’t believe there is only one true church. I know what it says in Mathew, but that can be interpreted many different ways (4 come to mind). I have no problem with Catholic’s believing that, but I don’t.

 

[ahimsaman72]

Exporter:

Wabrams,

Did you write,“That’s kinda funny b/c we were always taught that Mary was a vrigin when Jesus was concieved and it was Immaculate Consumption. I can’t recall anything different ever coming out of a Methodist’s mouth. But you’re absolutely right that be don’t pray to Mary. Why should we? Why pray to her for intercession when you can ask the big man yourself?”

Are you aware of the fact that you have TWICE slapped our Catholic faces?

1. The Immaculate Conception (not consumption- one slap) occured at Mary’s conception. Do you think the Father would not prerare a pristine vessel for His Son? Mary was concieved Immaculately , meaning she did not have the stain of Original Sin.
   2.“Ask the big man yourself”. #2 ! Who are you to be giving nicknames like “Big Man” to the Most Holy Father? Would you retract that? We would never call Our Father in Heaven, “BIG MAN”.

I assume you know the meaning of the word, “consumption”. It is an acronym for Tuberculosis, a lung disease.

Friend, do not take wabrams words as “slaps”. I’m sure it wasn’t the poster’s intent. Less finger pointing is always acceptable.

Christ did say, “Turn the other cheek also…”

Peace…

 

[wabrams]

ahimsaman72:

Friend, do not take wabrams words as “slaps”. I’m sure it wasn’t the poster’s intent. Less finger pointing is always acceptable.

Christ did say, “Turn the other cheek also…”

Peace…

Thank you! Let me clear up an earlier comment I made: didn’t mean pray TO Mary, but we do not pray for her intercession.

As far as an earlier poster saying that asking Mary to pray for you is like having a family member pray for you, I can see that and it makes sense.

 

[wabrams]

Philthy:

Sorry dude, but on this topic you are number 2. I haven’t read many posts here, but I’m sure everyone will pretty much pelt you with this info. The Immaculate Conception refers to the birth of Mary completely free of the stain of original sin! St. Anne was her mother. This is still believed to have occured on the merits of Christ’s crucifixion, but in a special way: in anticipation of it. don’t forget - the Crucifixion was an ETERNAL sacrifice which is not restricted by TIME. Catholics will celebrate this Holy Day of Obligation on Wednesday this week.

Phil

I don’t know if I completely believe Mary was free from original sin, that’s a tough one for me.

 

[ahimsaman72]

Lisa N:

OTOH the whole approach to communion is just so casual, I don’t see even a remote similarity to the way the Catholics view this sacrament.

Lisa N

This is a claim that many make about the protestant approach to communion. But, I must say, this is looking only at the outside and not at the inside of the person. Paul in I Corinthians speaks of taking communion unworthily. I have always (as a Southern Baptist) taken communion very seriously and not casually as many try to claim. How do you know what is going on in the spiritual realm?

Peace…

 

[ahimsaman72]

Philthy:

Men are of 4 types:

1)He who knows not and knows that he knows not;
He is a child - teach him
2)He who knows not and knows not that he knows not;
He is a fool - shun him
3) He who knows but knows not that he knows;
He is asleep - awaken him
4) He who knows and knows that he knows;
He is a King - follow him

Sorry dude, but on this topic you are number 2. I haven’t read many posts here, but I’m sure everyone will pretty much pelt you with this info. The Immaculate Conception refers to the birth of Mary completely free of the stain of original sin! St. Anne was her mother. This is still believed to have occured on the merits of Christ’s crucifixion, but in a special way: in anticipation of it. don’t forget - the Crucifixion was an ETERNAL sacrifice which is not restricted by TIME. Catholics will celebrate this Holy Day of Obligation on Wednesday this week.

Phil

I’m really surprised at the remarks made by people here on this thread - you being one of them. This forum shouldn’t be about “pelting” or calling others “fools who don’t know it”.

I many people abhor the word “tolerance”, but I think it’s a great concept! May all of us be tolerant and respectful of others.

Peace…

 

[Lisa_N]

ahimsaman72:

This is a claim that many make about the protestant approach to communion. But, I must say, this is looking only at the outside and not at the inside of the person. Paul in I Corinthians speaks of taking communion unworthily. I have always (as a Southern Baptist) taken communion very seriously and not casually as many try to claim. How do you know what is going on in the spiritual realm?

Peace…

ahimsaman72, I didn’t say that all Protestants took communion casually. Frankly I have been to an Episcopalian communion and found it very serious, very sacremental and very moving. I did say that MY former Methodist church had a very casual attitude although perhaps some people were internally moved and uplifted by the experience. But I do think the pastor and the denomination sets the tone. We walked up and dipped Wonderbread into grape juice. I found nothing moving about the experience.

Lisa N

 

[ahimsaman72]

Lisa N:

ahimsaman72, I didn’t say that all Protestants took communion casually. Frankly I have been to an Episcopalian communion and found it very serious, very sacremental and very moving. I did say that MY former Methodist church had a very casual attitude although perhaps some people were internally moved and uplifted by the experience. But I do think the pastor and the denomination sets the tone. We walked up and dipped Wonderbread into grape juice. I found nothing moving about the experience.

Lisa N

Perhaps your approach/view was obscured by your thoughts about the experience beforehand. I do not suppose to know your heart or mind - just a thought.

 

[Lisa_N]

ahimsaman72:

Perhaps your approach/view was obscured by your thoughts about the experience beforehand. I do not suppose to know your heart or mind - just a thought.

You are right, I had no thoughts because I had no understanding because there was never any kind of education or explanation of the process. As I said, this was treated very casually by the minister and thus I think that attitude wore off onto the congregation.

We did communion once a month.

Lisa N

 

[ahimsaman72]

Lisa N:

You are right, I had no thoughts because I had no understanding because there was never any kind of education or explanation of the process. As I said, this was treated very casually by the minister and thus I think that attitude wore off onto the congregation.

We did communion once a month.

Lisa N

Hello again, Lisa.

In the Baptist Churches I have always attended, the pastor always - always read the entire Last supper words of Christ which explained why we take communion and he would also cite the passage in 1 Corinthians which speaks of receiving communion unworthily. It was always a humbling, contemplative spiritual experience as I focused on Christ, His death and the reality that He died on the cross for sins - including my sins.

We had communion quarterly and at the church we attend now (infrequently) it is observed quarterly on Sunday evenings.

Peace…

Peace…

 

[ajatkinson]

I grew up in the United Methodist Church. My parents are still Methodist. I became a Catholic 8 years ago. The differences don’t seem major to Methodists because they don’t understand the true meaning of being Catholic. They don’t believe it is the true church that was started by Jesus. They DO NOT believe in the true presence at the Eurcharist. The Methodist Church I grew up in did have “sacraments” of baptism, marriage, and communion, but they are not looked at the same way as Catholic Sacrements.
They don’t believe in Saints or the Infalability of the Pope. They don’t believe in purgatory. They also believe that the only thing you need to be saved is belief in God and Jesus. That it is a very personal thing that is just between you and God. (Which is not a bad thing, it’s just not the only thing.)
It is very hard to understand being protestant if you have never been protestant, the same as you cannot truly understand the Catholic faith if you haven’t studied and lived the faith.
There are just many, many little differences that you don’t notice until you live them both.
The Catholic faith is so much more rich and full. When I was in Jr. High, I had so many questions. The main one being “How do we know which faith is the right faith?” I had these questions until I began to study the Catholic faith. Then all my questions and doubts were answered.

Actually, United Methodists most CERTAINLY believe in the True Presence. The liturgy straight from our hymnal:

"Pour out your Holy Spirit on us gathered here,
and on these gifts of bread and wine.
***Make them be for us the body and blood of Christ,
that we may be for the world the body of Christ,
redeemed by his blood.***
By your Spirit make us one with Christ,
one with each other,..." (UMH; pages 10, 14)

From Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Presence#Methodism_-Real_Presence_as.22Holy_Mystery.22

"In 2004, the United Methodist Church affirmed its view of the sacrament and its belief in the Real Presence in an official document entitled This Holy Mystery. Of particular note here is the church’s unequivocal recognition of the anamnesis as more than just a memorial but, rather, a re-presentation of Christ Jesus."

Note the term “re-presentation”, not “representation”. The True Presence does exist, and our Epiclesis is more “Catholic” than most other protestants.