Differences between Catholic Teaching and the Bible

[bobzills]

However, I challenge you to find any teachings which contradict the Bible.

1. “Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven” (Matt. 23:9).
   Contradiction: Catholics call their priests “Father.
2. Deuteronomy 22:5
   A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the LORD your God.
   Contradiction: Catholic women wear pants to Church. Father Kunkel says this is against God’s command: lffa-ollmpc.com/standards.htm
3. Catholic women are Eucharistic servers, readers, assist at the altar and do not wear headcoverings. Contradiction: 1 Cor 11: 5:” But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered, brings shame upon her head, for that is all one as if she were shaven."

 

[rinnie]

1. “Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven” (Matt. 23:9).
   Contradiction: Catholics call their priests “Father.
2. Deuteronomy 22:5
   A woman shall not wear a man’s apparel, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment; for whoever does such things is abhorrent to the LORD your God.
   Contradiction: Catholic women wear pants to Church. Father Kunkel says this is against God’s command: lffa-ollmpc.com/standards.htm
3. Catholic women are Eucharistic servers, readers, assist at the altar and do not wear headcoverings. Contradiction: 1 Cor 11: 5:” But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered, brings shame upon her head, for that is all one as if she were shaven."

In Matt God wasnt talking to us he was addressing the disciples. and as far as Deuteronomy a woman wearing Pants is not trying to pretend she is a man, she is not wearing his pants they are pants made for women. You are just taking scripture out of contex.

 

[rinnie]

Besides if calling Priest Father is a sin what about the Ten Commandments Honor thy Father and Mother. I guess we are all getting it then. Do you not have a Father and Mother.

 

[sbanks]

bobzills - your not the first to ask these questions, nor will you be the last.

it’s probably best for you to do your own research on this subject instead of just crying “wolf” on this board.

here’s the link in case you can not find a sufficient answer.
catholic.com/library/Call_No_Man_Father.asp

God bless you in your studies!!

 

[bobzills]

it’s probably best for you to do your own research on this subject instead of just crying “wolf” on this board.

The challenge was given to find a teaching which contradicts the Bible.

However, I challenge you to find any teachings which contradict the Bible.

I have tried to answer the question and now after I attempt an answer, you start calling names, saying I am crying wolf.
Perhaps we should say what is meant by the term contradict? We can look up the word in the dictionary and what do we find:
Contradict: to state the opposite of what someone else has said.
Well, let’s look at it:

1. The Bible says: Call no man Father.
   The Catholic Church says: Call the priest: Father.
2. Further, Father Kunkel says that Deut 22:5 implies that women should not wear pants;
   See lffa-ollmpc.com/standards.htm
   The Catholic teaching in our local Church is that women can wear pants in Church.
3. The Bible says that women should wear headcovering in Church 1Cor 11. The Catholic teaching is that women are not obligated to wear headcovering in Church.
4. The Bible says: “Thou shalt not kill” It does not give the exception that if you are in a war with Japan, then you can forget about it and it is all right to drop a couple of A-Bombs and kill innocent children. The contradiction comes in since there are Catholics on CAF who say that it was all right to drop the A-Bombs on Japan and kill these innocent children. Anyway, this is a question: does the Church teach unequivocally and without reservation that it is wrong to drop the A-Bomb and kill innocent civilian children as was done by the USA in WWII?

 

[bobzills]

However, I challenge you to find any teachings which contradict the Bible.

Here is another problematical quote from the Bible:
John 15:26 “But when the Paraclete cometh, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he shall give testimony of me.”
It is written in Scripture that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. This is the formulation given by the Orthodox Church. The Catholic Church teaches that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and from the Son, and the Orthodox Church says that this contradicts Scripture, although the Catholic Church says that it does not.

 

[bobzills]

However, I challenge you to find any teachings which contradict the Bible.

The Scripture says that the Blood was shed for many:
“For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28).

“This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many” (Mark 14:24).
The Catholic Church in the USA says that the Blood was shed for all.

 

[rinnie]

Here is another problematical quote from the Bible:
John 15:26 “But when the Paraclete cometh, whom I will send you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he shall give testimony of me.”
It is written in Scripture that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. This is the formulation given by the Orthodox Church. The Catholic Church teaches that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and from the Son, and the Orthodox Church says that this contradicts Scripture, although the Catholic Church says that it does not.

How could it contradict scripture when the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit are one. It just doesnt make sense unless they dont believe in the Trinity.

 

[rinnie]

The Scripture says that the Blood was shed for many:
“For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28).

“This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many” (Mark 14:24).
The Catholic Church in the USA says that the Blood was shed for all.

But think about it this way Jesus shed his blood for all, this is true what Mark it telling you we are all welcome to his family. All we must do is repent. God does not turn away anyone this is true, you must agree with me on that.

But now what Matthew is telling you not all will repent. Which is also true, many will not accept Christ into themselves. They are both correct but they are both telling you different things. That is why one scripture you can get more out of then others. Look how in one gospel it says a disciple cut off the ear. In another gospel says Peter cut the ear off. Some reveal more than others. That is what God teaches us. to read the gospels, on the outside they look the same, but now go back and really read some tell more details. THey are all telling the truth.

 

[c659smith]

How could it contradict scripture when the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit are one. It just doesnt make sense unless they dont believe in the Trinity.

I also think here that the definition in pro or pre is really not a contradiction but rather from what area of the bible and the context from which it was written.

Grace --The Holy Spirit was with Mary

Grace was not given (The Holy Spirit) to man (The Apostles) His Church, till after His resurrection.

Grace being God has always been, Always is, and will always be.

So what’s the challenge here?

 

[rinnie]

I also think here that the definition in pro or pre is really not a contradiction but rather from what area of the bible and the context from which it was written.

Grace --The Holy Spirit was with Mary

Grace was not given (The Holy Spirit) to man (The Apostles) His Church, till after His resurrection.

Grace being God has always been, Always is, and will always be.

So what’s the challenge here?

You know you are reading my mind, I wanted to say that but didnt know how to put it into the right words without getting to the point fast. Bingo you did

 

[bobzills]

How could it contradict scripture when the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit are one. It just doesnt make sense unless they dont believe in the Trinity.

It concerns the Catholic doctrine of the filioque, which is not directly supported by John 15:26 .

 

[bobzills]

Another difference:
the Bible commands us to keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic teaching is to keep holy the first day of the week, Sunday, not the Sabbath day.
''I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.’ The Catholic Church says, No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church." Priest Thomas Enright, C.S.S.R., February 18, 1884, Printed in the American Sentinel, a New York Roman Catholic journal in June 1893, p. 173.

The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine:
"Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50"
‘‘The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.’’ The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.
“… you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.
“If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.” Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

 

[rinnie]

It concerns the Catholic doctrine of the filioque, which is not directly supported by John 15:26 .

John 15:26 Here the Spirit comes from Both Jesus and the Father in mission. This is the trinity.

 

[rinnie]

Another difference:
the Bible commands us to keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic teaching is to keep holy the first day of the week, Sunday, not the Sabbath day.
''I have repeatedly offered $1,000 to anyone who can prove to me from the Bible alone that I am bound to keep Sunday holy. There is no such law in the Bible. It is a law of the holy Catholic Church alone. The Bible says ‘Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.’ The Catholic Church says, No. By my divine power I abolish the Sabbath day and command you to keep holy the first day of the week. And lo! The entire civilized world bows down in reverent obedience to the command of the Holy Catholic Church." Priest Thomas Enright, C.S.S.R., February 18, 1884, Printed in the American Sentinel, a New York Roman Catholic journal in June 1893, p. 173.

The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine:
"Question: Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer: Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Question: Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
Answer: We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” -Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50"
‘‘The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.’’ The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.
“… you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.
“If Protestants would follow the Bible, they would worship God on the Sabbath Day. In keeping the Sunday they are following a law of the Catholic Church.” Albert Smith, Chancellor of the Archdiocese of Baltimore, replying for the Cardinal, in a letter dated February 10, 1920.

You goal is to fight and tear down the Catholic CHurch. But you arent going to do it. You cant. The Roman Catholic CHurch wll prevail. It always does.

 

[bobzills]

You goal is to fight and tear down the Catholic CHurch…

That’s not true at all. There is a question here on the differences between the Catholic teaching and the Bible. In post #129, I am giving Catholic sources which support the statement that there is a serious difference between what the Bible commands concerning keep the Sabbath holy and what the Catholic Church commands, concerning the rule to keep holy the first day of the week, not the Sabbath day.
And further, your post is really off the topic of the original question, and it seems to me to be unconvincing. I don’t see any argument from you that the Catholic teaching does not differ from the Bible on keeping the Sabbath holy? I only see another personal attack on me.

 

[planter654]

Since it seems no one is answering the questions, here goes. Steve, the use of holy water dates back to ancient times. Look up Numbers 5:17. Holy water has been in use since the time of Moses and as you well know the Catholic Church being 2,000 years old has rich traditions and customs that are still in use today. Why would anyone have a problem making the sign of the cross with holy water? It acknowledges your Christianity and the sacrifice of Jesus on the cross. See what Catholic Answers has to say:

The spiritual benefit of holy water comes from the devotion of the people who use it. Anything can be used for good ends because everything God created is good. When water is blessed and transformed into holy water, it is “set aside” for a religious purpose, and such a purpose is by nature good. In the Old Testament water was used to consecrate priests (Ex. 29:4, Lev. 8:6, Num. 8:7). It was used before sacrifices were offered (Ex. 30:18–19). In Solomon’s Temple there were ten giant basins of water (1 Kgs. 7:38–39). In the New Testament Christ washed the apostles’ feet with water (John 13:4-10), a ceremony preserved in the Maundy Thursday liturgy, and water flowed out of the side of Christ (John 19:34).

Because of such scriptural and historical connections, Catholics see holy water as a sign of God’s continual imparting of grace through the Church and through holy actions, especially through the sacraments. Just as the sign of the cross reminds us of the sacrifice on Calvary and of the chief Christian doctrine, the Trinity, so holy water (which commonly is used when making the sign of the cross) reminds us of the cleansing power of God’s grace. What’s more, holy water’s use reminds us of the incarnational aspects of our faith: Christ used everyday things—bread, wine, oil, water—to transmit grace and healings, both spiritual and physical. When we dip our fingers into the stoup at the church door, we recall, in a tactile manner, that ours is not a disembodied, ethereal faith, but one in which God himself took on our flesh and thus resanctified his creation.

Karl Keating

I ask the Catholic Church is 2,000 years old? I never heard that one before. Please explain. Thank you God Bless

 

[holy_wood]

Another difference:
the Bible commands us to keep holy the Sabbath day. The Catholic teaching is to keep holy the first day of the week, Sunday, not the Sabbath day.

I follow the Bible in listening to the Church. Do you?

Isaiah 1:13 - God begins to reveal His displeasure with the Sabbath.

Matt. 28:1; Mark 16:2,9; John 20:1,19- the Gospel writers purposely reveal Jesus’ resurrection and appearances were on Sunday. This is because Sunday had now become the most important day in the life of the Church.
Acts 20:7 - this text shows the apostolic tradition of gathering together to celebrate the Eucharist on Sunday, the “first day of the week.” Luke documents the principle worship was on Sunday because this was one of the departures from the Jewish form of worship.
1 Cor. 16:2 - Paul instructs the Corinthians to make contributions to the churches “on the first day of the week,” which is Sunday. This is because the primary day of Christian worship is Sunday.
Col. 2:16-17 - Paul teaches that the Sabbath was only a shadow of what was fulfilled in Christ, and says "let no one pass judgment any more over a Sabbath."
2 Thess. 2:15 - we are to hold fast to apostolic tradition, whether it is oral or written. The 2,000 year-old tradition of the Church is that the apostles changed the Sabbath day of worship from Saturday to Sunday.
Rev 1:10 - John specifically points out that he witnesses the heavenly Eucharistic liturgy on Sunday, the Lord’s day, the new day of rest in Christ. Matt. 16:19; 18:18 - whatever the Church binds on earth is bound in heaven. Since the resurrection, Mass has been principally celebrated on Sunday.

Can you add 2 + 2?

1st day of week = Sunday
celebrate the Lords Supper on the 1st day of the week

Celebrating Lords Supper = Celebrating on Sunday.

 

[bobzills]

Can you add 2 + 2?

1st day of week = Sunday
celebrate the Lords Supper on the 1st day of the week

Celebrating Lords Supper = Celebrating on Sunday.

The addition of 2+2 is completely irrelevant to the question as to whether or not there are differences between what the Bible commands on keeping the Sabbath holy and what the Catholic Church teaches. Here I am quoting James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore: “… you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.
And as well, I gave several other Catholic sources in post #129? Are you claiming here that Cardinal Gibbon does not know what he is talking about or that he cannot add 2+2?

 

[planter654]

The addition of 2+2 is completely irrelevant to the question as to whether or not there are differences between what the Bible commands on keeping the Sabbath holy and what the Catholic Church teaches. Here I am quoting James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore: “… you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.” The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.
And as well, I gave several other Catholic sources in post #129? Are you claiming here that Cardinal Gibbon does not know what he is talking about or that he cannot add 2+2?

Thank you for your info… God Bless